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  1. #61
    Snapper
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    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    Michael wrote...

    > > Then it tends to make the whole exercise a tad pointless. Why bother with
    > > phones that won't work within the normal range of the towers? ie. demand that the
    > > phone providers provide phones that meet a minimum specification which includes
    > > reception levels?

    >
    > Because not all phones are the same. Its been that way since AMPS was
    > around.


    I think you missed my point. We know that not all phones were created equal. I'm
    saying, why didn't Telstra request that the manufacturers build the phones to a
    minimum standard or specification that would ensure their maximum range
    capability?




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  2. #62
    Snapper
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    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    Michael wrote...

    > No one ever promised that the coverage on a particular site would be better.


    No? If not, then at lease Telstra said that it should be "the same", at least,
    didn't it?

    And in the case of my original post, it seems that GSM has coverage where NG
    doesn't, but I clearly recall there being good CDMA coverage. I'm talking about
    a place called Bruthern, in east Gippsland.

    > The ask was on Telstra to have the same amount of coverage or more, and they
    > beat that easily


    Which isn't much comfort to those in rural areas who once had good CDMA coverage
    but now have marginal or non-existant NextG coverage.



  3. #63
    Rod Speed
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    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    Snapper <[email protected]> wrote
    > Michael wrote


    >>> Then it tends to make the whole exercise a tad pointless. Why
    >>> bother with phones that won't work within the normal range of
    >>> the towers? ie. demand that the phone providers provide phones
    >>> that meet a minimum specification which includes reception levels?


    >> Because not all phones are the same. Its been that way since AMPS was around.

    >
    > I think you missed my point.


    You never ever had a point.

    > We know that not all phones were created equal. I'm saying, why didn't
    > Telstra request that the manufacturers build the phones to a minimum
    > standard or specification that would ensure their maximum range capability?


    Not even possible.





  4. #64
    Michael
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    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone


    "Snapper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Michael wrote...
    >
    >> > Then it tends to make the whole exercise a tad pointless. Why bother
    >> > with
    >> > phones that won't work within the normal range of the towers? ie.
    >> > demand that the
    >> > phone providers provide phones that meet a minimum specification which
    >> > includes
    >> > reception levels?

    >>
    >> Because not all phones are the same. Its been that way since AMPS was
    >> around.

    >
    > I think you missed my point. We know that not all phones were created
    > equal. I'm
    > saying, why didn't Telstra request that the manufacturers build the phones
    > to a
    > minimum standard or specification that would ensure their maximum range
    > capability?


    Then you would only have 1 or 2 phones to choose from.

    Ever noticed car makers do the same thing? Would you like to be forced to
    buy a Holden Statesman if you could get something cheaper and smaller? That
    better suited your needs?
    >






  5. #65
    Michael
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    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    >> No one ever promised that the coverage on a particular site would be
    >> better.

    >
    > No? If not, then at lease Telstra said that it should be "the same", at
    > least,
    > didn't it?


    Yes, at the network level. And its not the same, its actually better

    > And in the case of my original post, it seems that GSM has coverage where
    > NG
    > doesn't, but I clearly recall there being good CDMA coverage. I'm talking
    > about
    > a place called Bruthern, in east Gippsland.
    >
    >> The ask was on Telstra to have the same amount of coverage or more, and
    >> they
    >> beat that easily

    >
    > Which isn't much comfort to those in rural areas who once had good CDMA
    > coverage
    > but now have marginal or non-existant NextG coverage.


    Correct.

    There are many hard knocks in life.





  6. #66
    Snapper
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    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    Michael wrote...

    > > minimum standard or specification that would ensure their maximum range
    > > capability?

    >
    > Then you would only have 1 or 2 phones to choose from.


    Bull****.

    > Ever noticed car makers do the same thing? Would you like to be forced to
    > buy a Holden Statesman if you could get something cheaper and smaller? That
    > better suited your needs?


    Totally irrelevant analogy.

    If you want to use a car one, then look at it like fitting cars with ten litre
    fuel tanks rather than 70l tanks. Or designing them so that they only run on
    98RON fuels, thus making it difficult to either get petrol as not all servos
    sell the stuff or forcing you to run a lower grade fuel and suffering poor
    performance as a result.

    Thing is, all Telstra had to do was to say to Motorola, Nokia, Samsung, etc.
    that the NextG phones needed to comply with a minimum spec, say, along the lines
    of the Telstra 165 model phone.

    So, instead we get phones that are only good around major urban centres, others
    which aren't bad along highways and others which will work out in the sticks if
    used with a car kit and antenna.



  7. #67
    Rod Speed
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    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    Michael <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>> No one ever promised that the coverage on a particular site would be better.


    >> No? If not, then at lease Telstra said that it should be "the same", at least, didn't it?


    > Yes, at the network level. And its not the same, its actually better


    Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

    >> And in the case of my original post, it seems that GSM has coverage where NG doesn't, but I clearly recall there
    >> being good CDMA coverage. I'm talking about a place called Bruthern, in east Gippsland.


    >>> The ask was on Telstra to have the same amount of coverage or more,
    >>> and they beat that easily


    >> Which isn't much comfort to those in rural areas who once had good
    >> CDMA coverage but now have marginal or non-existant NextG coverage.


    > Correct.


    > There are many hard knocks in life.


    Pity about what telstra claimed.





  8. #68
    Michael
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    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    > Thing is, all Telstra had to do was to say to Motorola, Nokia, Samsung,
    > etc.
    > that the NextG phones needed to comply with a minimum spec, say, along the
    > lines
    > of the Telstra 165 model phone.


    Sorry, lets live in the real world, and have a choice of handsets, instead
    of just 1.





  9. #69
    Snapper
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    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    Michael wrote...

    > Sorry, lets live in the real world, and have a choice of handsets, instead
    > of just 1.


    So, let's discuss your version of the real world. Tell us why, if Telstra
    mandated a minimum specification for telephone reception, why we'd only have one
    phone to "choose" from?





  10. #70
    rebel
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    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    On Mon, 26 May 2008 19:04:45 +1000, Snapper <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Michael wrote...
    >
    >> Sorry, lets live in the real world, and have a choice of handsets, instead
    >> of just 1.

    >
    >So, let's discuss your version of the real world. Tell us why, if Telstra
    >mandated a minimum specification for telephone reception, why we'd only have one
    >phone to "choose" from?


    and if that were the case, why they currently offer all those sub-standard
    units?



  11. #71
    Michael
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    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone


    "Snapper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Michael wrote...
    >
    >> Sorry, lets live in the real world, and have a choice of handsets,
    >> instead
    >> of just 1.

    >
    > So, let's discuss your version of the real world. Tell us why, if Telstra
    > mandated a minimum specification for telephone reception, why we'd only
    > have one


    They do mandate a minimum specification. Its just not YOUR specification.
    But you get that, because THEY run the network, and YOU dont

    > phone to "choose" from?
    >
    >






  12. #72
    Snapper
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    Michael wrote...

    > They do mandate a minimum specification. Its just not YOUR specification.
    > But you get that, because THEY run the network, and YOU dont


    Pity that you won't answer my question, rather than trying to steer us off on
    some tangent about "my" specification.




  13. #73
    Michael
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    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone


    "Snapper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Michael wrote...
    >
    >> They do mandate a minimum specification. Its just not YOUR specification.
    >> But you get that, because THEY run the network, and YOU dont

    >
    > Pity that you won't answer my question, rather than trying to steer us off
    > on
    > some tangent about "my" specification.


    Your specification is a wank.If you want the Rolls Royce phone, buy it. I
    did.
    >






  14. #74
    Snapper
    Guest

    Re: Cell Info Not Updating on a NextG phone

    Michael wrote...

    > Your specification is a wank.If you want the Rolls Royce phone, buy it. I
    > did.


    Ah, so you have no answer to my question, and you're unable to justify how the
    NextG phone specs were arrived at.

    Hence why we have a range of phones from crap to acceptable as far as regional
    reception and performance goes.

    Best stick to your day job, Michael, whatever that is.




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