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Horry wrote...

> When's the big announcement??

Well, there's this:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...e#contentSwap1

Interesting bit where they speculate on Aussie pricing.

"Mike Smith, the Optus director of marketing, said it was a "reasonable starting
point" to assume that the iPhone pricing in Australia would be in the same
ballpark as so-called smart phones with similar features."

Smartphone on sale here are around the $800 mark for a high end one. The Palm
Treo 750 was selling for around a grand, but it can be sourced cheaper on Ebay.
The Nokia N95 is still around a grand through Telstra and a bit lower on Ebay.

So, this may give people an idea of what Optus may charge for the iPhone.

Hopefully, as with the original iPhone, those wanting a 3G version may be able
to source direct from the US for a third of the price. Hopefully.

Thing is, if it's aimed at the business user, then price won't really be an
issue.

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:45:38 +1000, Snapper wrote:

> Horry wrote...
>
>> When's the big announcement??
>
> Well, there's this:
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...e#contentSwap1
>
> Interesting bit where they speculate on Aussie pricing.
>
> "Mike Smith, the Optus director of marketing, said it was a "reasonable
> starting point" to assume that the iPhone pricing in Australia would be in
> the same ballpark as so-called smart phones with similar features."
>
> Smartphone on sale here are around the $800 mark for a high end one. The
> Palm Treo 750 was selling for around a grand, but it can be sourced
> cheaper on Ebay. The Nokia N95 is still around a grand through Telstra and
> a bit lower on Ebay.
>
> So, this may give people an idea of what Optus may charge for the iPhone.
>
> Hopefully, as with the original iPhone, those wanting a 3G version may be
> able to source direct from the US for a third of the price. Hopefully.
>
> Thing is, if it's aimed at the business user, then price won't really be
> an issue.

According to Steve Jobs earlier this morning, it's going to be no more
than around USD$199 anywhere in the world.

http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Phones/Mobile/E9T9B7T5

Telstra have missed out to Optus and Vodaphone on getting the new Apple 3G
iphone iPhone despite the company having the fastest 3G network in the
world. The phone due in Australia on July 11 is expected to sell for less
than $250.

It looks like a great phone, but too early to say for sure.
Interestingly, it has GPS.

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:25:27 +0900, Horry wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:45:38 +1000, Snapper wrote:
>
>> Horry wrote...
>>
>>> When's the big announcement??
>>
>> Well, there's this:
>>
>> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...e#contentSwap1
>>
>> Interesting bit where they speculate on Aussie pricing.
>>
>> "Mike Smith, the Optus director of marketing, said it was a "reasonable
>> starting point" to assume that the iPhone pricing in Australia would be
>> in the same ballpark as so-called smart phones with similar features."
>>
>> Smartphone on sale here are around the $800 mark for a high end one. The
>> Palm Treo 750 was selling for around a grand, but it can be sourced
>> cheaper on Ebay. The Nokia N95 is still around a grand through Telstra
>> and a bit lower on Ebay.
>>
>> So, this may give people an idea of what Optus may charge for the
>> iPhone.
>>
>> Hopefully, as with the original iPhone, those wanting a 3G version may
>> be able to source direct from the US for a third of the price.
>> Hopefully.
>>
>> Thing is, if it's aimed at the business user, then price won't really be
>> an issue.
>
> According to Steve Jobs earlier this morning, it's going to be no more
> than around USD$199 anywhere in the world.
>
> http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Phones/Mobile/E9T9B7T5

Oops. I didn't point out which part was quote from the above site, and
which was my comment...

<quote>
> Telstra have missed out to Optus and Vodaphone on getting the new Apple 3G
> iphone iPhone despite the company having the fastest 3G network in the
> world. The phone due in Australia on July 11 is expected to sell for less
> than $250.
<unquote>

<my comment>
> It looks like a great phone, but too early to say for sure. Interestingly,
> it has GPS.
</my comment>

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:45:38 +1000, Snapper wrote:

> Horry wrote...
>
>> When's the big announcement??
>
> Well, there's this:
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...e#contentSwap1
>
> Interesting bit where they speculate on Aussie pricing.
>
> "Mike Smith, the Optus director of marketing, said it was a "reasonable
> starting point" to assume that the iPhone pricing in Australia would be
> in the same ballpark as so-called smart phones with similar features."
>
> Smartphone on sale here are around the $800 mark for a high end one. The
> Palm Treo 750 was selling for around a grand, but it can be sourced
> cheaper on Ebay. The Nokia N95 is still around a grand through Telstra
> and a bit lower on Ebay.
>
> So, this may give people an idea of what Optus may charge for the
> iPhone.
>
> Hopefully, as with the original iPhone, those wanting a 3G version may
> be able to source direct from the US for a third of the price.
> Hopefully.
>
> Thing is, if it's aimed at the business user, then price won't really be
> an issue.

Yup the 8GB model is $199 RRP (USD), and the 16GB version is $299.

Methinks we'll soon see prices on the N95 8G slashed.


"Apple's new 3G iPhone to cost $US199"
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...08-643,00.html

APPLE has introduced its long-awaited 3G iPhone for $US199 ($209), which
will be available starting July 11 along with its iPhone software store,
in a move demonstrating how central Apple's iPhone is to the computer
maker's future. The new iPhone and the steep price cut was the most
eagerly anticipated of the developments Apple chief executive Steve Jobs
revealed during an address to a gathering of Apple developers. The new
version is also slightly thinner than the older model and contains a
global positioning service. Apple intends to sell the device in 70
countries over the next few months.

A 3G version of the iPhone with 8 GB of memory costs $US199, while one
with double the memory costs $US299. Earlier versions of iPhones cost
$US399 and $US499, depending on memory size. Some stores are still selling
the older version but supplies are dwindling. Meanwhile, the older iPhone
is no longer being sold through Apple's online store.

Apple also has dramatically changed the way it is selling the iPhone, and
the revenue it gets for doing so. Apple is no longer receiving a cut of
fees that carriers charge, as it once did. Rather, it's only getting some
or all of the initial phone purchase price.

"This lets us scale faster," Philip Schiller, Apple senior vice president,
said in an interview. "And it lets us have really aggressive pricing."

The changes, especially the price cuts, have excited some analysts.

"The 12 million iPhones Apple should sell this year now looks like a
lay-up," said Gene Munster, analyst with Piper Jaffray. "We're much more
comfortable now projecting Apple will sell 45 million next year."

The 3G iPhone is considered key for Apple to gain share in Asian and
European nations where wireless networks that deliver internet access at
wired broadband speeds are much more in demand.

"Horry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:45:38 +1000, Snapper wrote:
>
>> Horry wrote...
>>
>>> When's the big announcement??
>>
>> Well, there's this:
>>
>> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...e#contentSwap1
>>
>> Interesting bit where they speculate on Aussie pricing.
>>
>> "Mike Smith, the Optus director of marketing, said it was a "reasonable
>> starting point" to assume that the iPhone pricing in Australia would be
>> in the same ballpark as so-called smart phones with similar features."
>>
>> Smartphone on sale here are around the $800 mark for a high end one. The
>> Palm Treo 750 was selling for around a grand, but it can be sourced
>> cheaper on Ebay. The Nokia N95 is still around a grand through Telstra
>> and a bit lower on Ebay.
>>
>> So, this may give people an idea of what Optus may charge for the
>> iPhone.
>>
>> Hopefully, as with the original iPhone, those wanting a 3G version may
>> be able to source direct from the US for a third of the price.
>> Hopefully.
>>
>> Thing is, if it's aimed at the business user, then price won't really be
>> an issue.
>
> Yup the 8GB model is $199 RRP (USD), and the 16GB version is $299.
>
> Methinks we'll soon see prices on the N95 8G slashed.
>
>
> "Apple's new 3G iPhone to cost $US199"
> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...08-643,00.html
>
> APPLE has introduced its long-awaited 3G iPhone for $US199 ($209), which
> will be available starting July 11 along with its iPhone software store,
> in a move demonstrating how central Apple's iPhone is to the computer
> maker's future. The new iPhone and the steep price cut was the most
> eagerly anticipated of the developments Apple chief executive Steve Jobs
> revealed during an address to a gathering of Apple developers. The new
> version is also slightly thinner than the older model and contains a
> global positioning service. Apple intends to sell the device in 70
> countries over the next few months.
>
> A 3G version of the iPhone with 8 GB of memory costs $US199, while one
> with double the memory costs $US299. Earlier versions of iPhones cost
> $US399 and $US499, depending on memory size. Some stores are still selling
> the older version but supplies are dwindling. Meanwhile, the older iPhone
> is no longer being sold through Apple's online store.
>
> Apple also has dramatically changed the way it is selling the iPhone, and
> the revenue it gets for doing so. Apple is no longer receiving a cut of
> fees that carriers charge, as it once did. Rather, it's only getting some
> or all of the initial phone purchase price.
>
> "This lets us scale faster," Philip Schiller, Apple senior vice president,
> said in an interview. "And it lets us have really aggressive pricing."
>
> The changes, especially the price cuts, have excited some analysts.
>
> "The 12 million iPhones Apple should sell this year now looks like a
> lay-up," said Gene Munster, analyst with Piper Jaffray. "We're much more
> comfortable now projecting Apple will sell 45 million next year."
>
> The 3G iPhone is considered key for Apple to gain share in Asian and
> European nations where wireless networks that deliver internet access at
> wired broadband speeds are much more in demand.

I'm not sure about the outright price of the new iPhone. Reading this
article from the perspective of AT&T the reported prices involve subsidies.
The article mentions penalties for those who buy the phone but don't
activate within 30 days. Obviously an attempt at reducing the number of and
market for hacked phones. I wonder what the penalty is.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...Story/Business
AT&T Inc. says it expects to take an earnings hit this year and next because
of its decision to subsidize the latest iPhone from Apple Inc. as it aims to
boost mass-market sales.
As part of its agreement to shoulder part of the price of the iPhone in
order to sell it for a low as $199 (U.S.), AT&T said it would stop paying
Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple a portion of its monthly service revenue for
iPhone customers.
AT&T said it expects the new iPhone initiative to start contributing to
profit in 2010. It said the iPhone will go on sale beginning July 11 to
customers who sign on for a two-year contract.
AT&T said buyers who don't activate the iPhone within the first 30 days will
be penalized to reduce the number of customers who buy it, then tweak the
software so they can use it on another network.

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:31:34 +0930, Fred wrote:

>
> "Horry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:45:38 +1000, Snapper wrote:
>>
>>> Horry wrote...
>>>
>>>> When's the big announcement??
>>>
>>> Well, there's this:
>>>
>>> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...e#contentSwap1
>>>
>>> Interesting bit where they speculate on Aussie pricing.
>>>
>>> "Mike Smith, the Optus director of marketing, said it was a "reasonable
>>> starting point" to assume that the iPhone pricing in Australia would be
>>> in the same ballpark as so-called smart phones with similar features."
>>>
>>> Smartphone on sale here are around the $800 mark for a high end one.
>>> The Palm Treo 750 was selling for around a grand, but it can be sourced
>>> cheaper on Ebay. The Nokia N95 is still around a grand through Telstra
>>> and a bit lower on Ebay.
>>>
>>> So, this may give people an idea of what Optus may charge for the
>>> iPhone.
>>>
>>> Hopefully, as with the original iPhone, those wanting a 3G version may
>>> be able to source direct from the US for a third of the price.
>>> Hopefully.
>>>
>>> Thing is, if it's aimed at the business user, then price won't really
>>> be an issue.
>>
>> Yup the 8GB model is $199 RRP (USD), and the 16GB version is $299.
>>
>> Methinks we'll soon see prices on the N95 8G slashed.
>>
>>
>> "Apple's new 3G iPhone to cost $US199"
>> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...08-643,00.html
>>
>> APPLE has introduced its long-awaited 3G iPhone for $US199 ($209), which
>> will be available starting July 11 along with its iPhone software store,
>> in a move demonstrating how central Apple's iPhone is to the computer
>> maker's future. The new iPhone and the steep price cut was the most
>> eagerly anticipated of the developments Apple chief executive Steve Jobs
>> revealed during an address to a gathering of Apple developers. The new
>> version is also slightly thinner than the older model and contains a
>> global positioning service. Apple intends to sell the device in 70
>> countries over the next few months.
>>
>> A 3G version of the iPhone with 8 GB of memory costs $US199, while one
>> with double the memory costs $US299. Earlier versions of iPhones cost
>> $US399 and $US499, depending on memory size. Some stores are still
>> selling the older version but supplies are dwindling. Meanwhile, the
>> older iPhone is no longer being sold through Apple's online store.
>>
>> Apple also has dramatically changed the way it is selling the iPhone,
>> and the revenue it gets for doing so. Apple is no longer receiving a cut
>> of fees that carriers charge, as it once did. Rather, it's only getting
>> some or all of the initial phone purchase price.
>>
>> "This lets us scale faster," Philip Schiller, Apple senior vice
>> president, said in an interview. "And it lets us have really aggressive
>> pricing."
>>
>> The changes, especially the price cuts, have excited some analysts.
>>
>> "The 12 million iPhones Apple should sell this year now looks like a
>> lay-up," said Gene Munster, analyst with Piper Jaffray. "We're much more
>> comfortable now projecting Apple will sell 45 million next year."
>>
>> The 3G iPhone is considered key for Apple to gain share in Asian and
>> European nations where wireless networks that deliver internet access at
>> wired broadband speeds are much more in demand.
>
> I'm not sure about the outright price of the new iPhone. Reading this
> article from the perspective of AT&T the reported prices involve
> subsidies. The article mentions penalties for those who buy the phone but
> don't activate within 30 days. Obviously an attempt at reducing the number
> of and market for hacked phones. I wonder what the penalty is.

At the launch, Jobs said the 8GB version would be available at prices "up
to" $199 (the implication being that carriers could/would further
discount it). I doubt there'll be any "co-payment" required in Australia
on even the lower-end plans, and Optus/Vodafone won't be selling too many
prepaid iPhones if the prepaid price is much more than $249-$299.

Jobs also stated there would be worldwide pricing parity
(presumably so far as possible, given daily exchange rate fluctuations,
etc).

"Horry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:31:34 +0930, Fred wrote:
>
>>
>> "Horry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:45:38 +1000, Snapper wrote:
>>>
>>>> Horry wrote...
>>>>
>>>>> When's the big announcement??
>>>>
>>>> Well, there's this:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...e#contentSwap1
>>>>
>>>> Interesting bit where they speculate on Aussie pricing.
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Smith, the Optus director of marketing, said it was a "reasonable
>>>> starting point" to assume that the iPhone pricing in Australia would be
>>>> in the same ballpark as so-called smart phones with similar features."
>>>>
>>>> Smartphone on sale here are around the $800 mark for a high end one.
>>>> The Palm Treo 750 was selling for around a grand, but it can be sourced
>>>> cheaper on Ebay. The Nokia N95 is still around a grand through Telstra
>>>> and a bit lower on Ebay.
>>>>
>>>> So, this may give people an idea of what Optus may charge for the
>>>> iPhone.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully, as with the original iPhone, those wanting a 3G version may
>>>> be able to source direct from the US for a third of the price.
>>>> Hopefully.
>>>>
>>>> Thing is, if it's aimed at the business user, then price won't really
>>>> be an issue.
>>>
>>> Yup the 8GB model is $199 RRP (USD), and the 16GB version is $299.
>>>
>>> Methinks we'll soon see prices on the N95 8G slashed.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Apple's new 3G iPhone to cost $US199"
>>> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...08-643,00.html
>>>
>>> APPLE has introduced its long-awaited 3G iPhone for $US199 ($209), which
>>> will be available starting July 11 along with its iPhone software store,
>>> in a move demonstrating how central Apple's iPhone is to the computer
>>> maker's future. The new iPhone and the steep price cut was the most
>>> eagerly anticipated of the developments Apple chief executive Steve Jobs
>>> revealed during an address to a gathering of Apple developers. The new
>>> version is also slightly thinner than the older model and contains a
>>> global positioning service. Apple intends to sell the device in 70
>>> countries over the next few months.
>>>
>>> A 3G version of the iPhone with 8 GB of memory costs $US199, while one
>>> with double the memory costs $US299. Earlier versions of iPhones cost
>>> $US399 and $US499, depending on memory size. Some stores are still
>>> selling the older version but supplies are dwindling. Meanwhile, the
>>> older iPhone is no longer being sold through Apple's online store.
>>>
>>> Apple also has dramatically changed the way it is selling the iPhone,
>>> and the revenue it gets for doing so. Apple is no longer receiving a cut
>>> of fees that carriers charge, as it once did. Rather, it's only getting
>>> some or all of the initial phone purchase price.
>>>
>>> "This lets us scale faster," Philip Schiller, Apple senior vice
>>> president, said in an interview. "And it lets us have really aggressive
>>> pricing."
>>>
>>> The changes, especially the price cuts, have excited some analysts.
>>>
>>> "The 12 million iPhones Apple should sell this year now looks like a
>>> lay-up," said Gene Munster, analyst with Piper Jaffray. "We're much more
>>> comfortable now projecting Apple will sell 45 million next year."
>>>
>>> The 3G iPhone is considered key for Apple to gain share in Asian and
>>> European nations where wireless networks that deliver internet access at
>>> wired broadband speeds are much more in demand.
>>
>> I'm not sure about the outright price of the new iPhone. Reading this
>> article from the perspective of AT&T the reported prices involve
>> subsidies. The article mentions penalties for those who buy the phone but
>> don't activate within 30 days. Obviously an attempt at reducing the
>> number
>> of and market for hacked phones. I wonder what the penalty is.
>
> At the launch, Jobs said the 8GB version would be available at prices "up
> to" $199 (the implication being that carriers could/would further
> discount it). I doubt there'll be any "co-payment" required in Australia
> on even the lower-end plans, and Optus/Vodafone won't be selling too many
> prepaid iPhones if the prepaid price is much more than $249-$299.
>
> Jobs also stated there would be worldwide pricing parity
> (presumably so far as possible, given daily exchange rate fluctuations,
> etc).

But what was Jobs comparing? The AT&T prices are for a phone on a two year
plan with activation having to be completed in store.
Another cut and paste from
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/18684/1151/1/0/
Vodafone is expected to offer the new iPhone 3G on a $A0 upfront contract
says Nathan Burley, an analyst at consulting and advisory firm Ovum.

All Vodafone has announced publicly is that it will start selling the iPhone
3G on July 11, and the handset will be offered to prepaid and contract
customers.

I wonder where that leaves people like me, who are out of contract on a
postpaid plan? Will we be able to buy a 'prepaid' iPhone 3G and use it with
our existing Vodafone SIM? Or will it be necessary to go back on contract?

The answer that iTWire's David M Williams was given by staff at a Vodafone
store was that the iPhone will be sold outright and unlocked for $A950. If
that was the good oil (he was also told he could have one next week, not
next month, which does make me wonder), it would make a mockery of Steve
Jobs' claim of equivalent pricing around the world.

But then again, maybe $US199 plus the profit on a two-year contract is
equivalent to (though not the same as) $A950?

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:05:09 +0930, Fred wrote:

>
> "Horry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:31:34 +0930, Fred wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Horry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:45:38 +1000, Snapper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Horry wrote...
>>>>>
>>>>>> When's the big announcement??
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, there's this:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...e#contentSwap1
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting bit where they speculate on Aussie pricing.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mike Smith, the Optus director of marketing, said it was a
>>>>> "reasonable starting point" to assume that the iPhone pricing in
>>>>> Australia would be in the same ballpark as so-called smart phones
>>>>> with similar features."
>>>>>
>>>>> Smartphone on sale here are around the $800 mark for a high end one.
>>>>> The Palm Treo 750 was selling for around a grand, but it can be
>>>>> sourced cheaper on Ebay. The Nokia N95 is still around a grand
>>>>> through Telstra and a bit lower on Ebay.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, this may give people an idea of what Optus may charge for the
>>>>> iPhone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully, as with the original iPhone, those wanting a 3G version
>>>>> may be able to source direct from the US for a third of the price.
>>>>> Hopefully.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thing is, if it's aimed at the business user, then price won't really
>>>>> be an issue.
>>>>
>>>> Yup the 8GB model is $199 RRP (USD), and the 16GB version is $299.
>>>>
>>>> Methinks we'll soon see prices on the N95 8G slashed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Apple's new 3G iPhone to cost $US199"
>>>> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...08-643,00.html
>>>>
>>>> APPLE has introduced its long-awaited 3G iPhone for $US199 ($209),
>>>> which will be available starting July 11 along with its iPhone
>>>> software store, in a move demonstrating how central Apple's iPhone is
>>>> to the computer maker's future. The new iPhone and the steep price cut
>>>> was the most eagerly anticipated of the developments Apple chief
>>>> executive Steve Jobs revealed during an address to a gathering of
>>>> Apple developers. The new version is also slightly thinner than the
>>>> older model and contains a global positioning service. Apple intends
>>>> to sell the device in 70 countries over the next few months.
>>>>
>>>> A 3G version of the iPhone with 8 GB of memory costs $US199, while one
>>>> with double the memory costs $US299. Earlier versions of iPhones cost
>>>> $US399 and $US499, depending on memory size. Some stores are still
>>>> selling the older version but supplies are dwindling. Meanwhile, the
>>>> older iPhone is no longer being sold through Apple's online store.
>>>>
>>>> Apple also has dramatically changed the way it is selling the iPhone,
>>>> and the revenue it gets for doing so. Apple is no longer receiving a
>>>> cut of fees that carriers charge, as it once did. Rather, it's only
>>>> getting some or all of the initial phone purchase price.
>>>>
>>>> "This lets us scale faster," Philip Schiller, Apple senior vice
>>>> president, said in an interview. "And it lets us have really
>>>> aggressive pricing."
>>>>
>>>> The changes, especially the price cuts, have excited some analysts.
>>>>
>>>> "The 12 million iPhones Apple should sell this year now looks like a
>>>> lay-up," said Gene Munster, analyst with Piper Jaffray. "We're much
>>>> more comfortable now projecting Apple will sell 45 million next year."
>>>>
>>>> The 3G iPhone is considered key for Apple to gain share in Asian and
>>>> European nations where wireless networks that deliver internet access
>>>> at wired broadband speeds are much more in demand.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure about the outright price of the new iPhone. Reading this
>>> article from the perspective of AT&T the reported prices involve
>>> subsidies. The article mentions penalties for those who buy the phone
>>> but don't activate within 30 days. Obviously an attempt at reducing the
>>> number
>>> of and market for hacked phones. I wonder what the penalty is.
>>
>> At the launch, Jobs said the 8GB version would be available at prices
>> "up to" $199 (the implication being that carriers could/would further
>> discount it). I doubt there'll be any "co-payment" required in
>> Australia on even the lower-end plans, and Optus/Vodafone won't be
>> selling too many prepaid iPhones if the prepaid price is much more than
>> $249-$299.
>>
>> Jobs also stated there would be worldwide pricing parity (presumably so
>> far as possible, given daily exchange rate fluctuations, etc).
>
> But what was Jobs comparing? The AT&T prices are for a phone on a two year
> plan with activation having to be completed in store. Another cut and
> paste from
> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/18684/1151/1/0/ Vodafone is expected to
> offer the new iPhone 3G on a $A0 upfront contract says Nathan Burley, an
> analyst at consulting and advisory firm Ovum.
>
> All Vodafone has announced publicly is that it will start selling the
> iPhone 3G on July 11, and the handset will be offered to prepaid and
> contract customers.
>
> I wonder where that leaves people like me, who are out of contract on a
> postpaid plan? Will we be able to buy a 'prepaid' iPhone 3G and use it
> with our existing Vodafone SIM? Or will it be necessary to go back on
> contract?
>
> The answer that iTWire's David M Williams was given by staff at a Vodafone
> store was that the iPhone will be sold outright and unlocked for $A950. If
> that was the good oil (he was also told he could have one next week, not
> next month, which does make me wonder), it would make a mockery of Steve
> Jobs' claim of equivalent pricing around the world.
>
> But then again, maybe $US199 plus the profit on a two-year contract is
> equivalent to (though not the same as) $A950?

O2 in the UK has released its iPhone 3G pricing.

http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/paymonthly

On the 30 pound/stirling/quid plan the handset is 99 pounds. That's an 18
month contract.

There seems to be a lot of bull**** floating around in the press. I was
reading one article where the tech writer actually thought the iPhone's
"flash memory" was memory set aside for the use of Adobe Flash video.

I really can't see the prepaid price of a network locked iPhone being
much more than $299. A prepaid iPhone for $700+ is simply out of the
price range of druggies, pimps, kids and povs.

But who knows?

(I also just discovered there's no way to use the 3G iPhone as a tethered
modem (via USB) or as a Bluetooth modem. That's a major negative for me.)

Horry <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:31:34 +0930, Fred wrote:
>
>>
>> "Horry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:45:38 +1000, Snapper wrote:
>>>
>>>> Horry wrote...
>>>>
>>>>> When's the big announcement??
>>>>
>>>> Well, there's this:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...e#contentSwap1
>>>>
>>>> Interesting bit where they speculate on Aussie pricing.
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Smith, the Optus director of marketing, said it was a
>>>> "reasonable starting point" to assume that the iPhone pricing in
>>>> Australia would be in the same ballpark as so-called smart phones
>>>> with similar features."
>>>>
>>>> Smartphone on sale here are around the $800 mark for a high end
>>>> one. The Palm Treo 750 was selling for around a grand, but it can
>>>> be sourced cheaper on Ebay. The Nokia N95 is still around a grand
>>>> through Telstra and a bit lower on Ebay.
>>>>
>>>> So, this may give people an idea of what Optus may charge for the
>>>> iPhone.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully, as with the original iPhone, those wanting a 3G version
>>>> may be able to source direct from the US for a third of the price.
>>>> Hopefully.
>>>>
>>>> Thing is, if it's aimed at the business user, then price won't
>>>> really be an issue.
>>>
>>> Yup the 8GB model is $199 RRP (USD), and the 16GB version is $299.
>>>
>>> Methinks we'll soon see prices on the N95 8G slashed.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Apple's new 3G iPhone to cost $US199"
>>> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...08-643,00.html
>>>
>>> APPLE has introduced its long-awaited 3G iPhone for $US199 ($209),
>>> which will be available starting July 11 along with its iPhone
>>> software store, in a move demonstrating how central Apple's iPhone
>>> is to the computer maker's future. The new iPhone and the steep
>>> price cut was the most eagerly anticipated of the developments
>>> Apple chief executive Steve Jobs revealed during an address to a
>>> gathering of Apple developers. The new version is also slightly
>>> thinner than the older model and contains a global positioning
>>> service. Apple intends to sell the device in 70 countries over the
>>> next few months.
>>>
>>> A 3G version of the iPhone with 8 GB of memory costs $US199, while
>>> one with double the memory costs $US299. Earlier versions of
>>> iPhones cost $US399 and $US499, depending on memory size. Some
>>> stores are still selling the older version but supplies are
>>> dwindling. Meanwhile, the older iPhone is no longer being sold
>>> through Apple's online store.
>>>
>>> Apple also has dramatically changed the way it is selling the
>>> iPhone, and the revenue it gets for doing so. Apple is no longer
>>> receiving a cut of fees that carriers charge, as it once did.
>>> Rather, it's only getting some or all of the initial phone purchase
>>> price.
>>>
>>> "This lets us scale faster," Philip Schiller, Apple senior vice
>>> president, said in an interview. "And it lets us have really
>>> aggressive pricing."
>>>
>>> The changes, especially the price cuts, have excited some analysts.
>>>
>>> "The 12 million iPhones Apple should sell this year now looks like a
>>> lay-up," said Gene Munster, analyst with Piper Jaffray. "We're much
>>> more comfortable now projecting Apple will sell 45 million next
>>> year."
>>>
>>> The 3G iPhone is considered key for Apple to gain share in Asian and
>>> European nations where wireless networks that deliver internet
>>> access at wired broadband speeds are much more in demand.
>>
>> I'm not sure about the outright price of the new iPhone. Reading this
>> article from the perspective of AT&T the reported prices involve
>> subsidies. The article mentions penalties for those who buy the
>> phone but don't activate within 30 days. Obviously an attempt at
>> reducing the number of and market for hacked phones. I wonder what
>> the penalty is.

> At the launch, Jobs said the 8GB version would be available at prices "up to"
> $199 (the implication being that carriers could/would further discount it).

Nope, the implication is actually that AT&T might have to discount a tad more.

> I doubt there'll be any "co-payment" required in Australia on even the
> lower-end plans, and Optus/Vodafone won't be selling too many
> prepaid iPhones if the prepaid price is much more than $249-$299.

Bet they wont be interested in running at a loss like AT&T
is, so they wont flog that many because of the price here.

> Jobs also stated there would be worldwide pricing parity (presumably
> so far as possible, given daily exchange rate fluctuations, etc).

Doesnt mean that mobile telcos world wide will be prepared
to operate at a loss like AT&T is stupid enough to do.

AND Jobs has one hell of a record of overhyping before
the launch and you discover the steaming turd involved later.

Horry <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:05:09 +0930, Fred wrote:
>
>>
>> "Horry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:31:34 +0930, Fred wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Horry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:45:38 +1000, Snapper wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Horry wrote...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When's the big announcement??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, there's this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...e#contentSwap1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting bit where they speculate on Aussie pricing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mike Smith, the Optus director of marketing, said it was a
>>>>>> "reasonable starting point" to assume that the iPhone pricing in
>>>>>> Australia would be in the same ballpark as so-called smart phones
>>>>>> with similar features."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Smartphone on sale here are around the $800 mark for a high end
>>>>>> one. The Palm Treo 750 was selling for around a grand, but it
>>>>>> can be sourced cheaper on Ebay. The Nokia N95 is still around a
>>>>>> grand through Telstra and a bit lower on Ebay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, this may give people an idea of what Optus may charge for the
>>>>>> iPhone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully, as with the original iPhone, those wanting a 3G
>>>>>> version may be able to source direct from the US for a third of
>>>>>> the price. Hopefully.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thing is, if it's aimed at the business user, then price won't
>>>>>> really be an issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup the 8GB model is $199 RRP (USD), and the 16GB version is $299.
>>>>>
>>>>> Methinks we'll soon see prices on the N95 8G slashed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Apple's new 3G iPhone to cost $US199"
>>>>> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...08-643,00.html
>>>>>
>>>>> APPLE has introduced its long-awaited 3G iPhone for $US199 ($209),
>>>>> which will be available starting July 11 along with its iPhone
>>>>> software store, in a move demonstrating how central Apple's
>>>>> iPhone is to the computer maker's future. The new iPhone and the
>>>>> steep price cut was the most eagerly anticipated of the
>>>>> developments Apple chief executive Steve Jobs revealed during an
>>>>> address to a gathering of Apple developers. The new version is
>>>>> also slightly thinner than the older model and contains a global
>>>>> positioning service. Apple intends to sell the device in 70
>>>>> countries over the next few months.
>>>>>
>>>>> A 3G version of the iPhone with 8 GB of memory costs $US199,
>>>>> while one with double the memory costs $US299. Earlier versions
>>>>> of iPhones cost $US399 and $US499, depending on memory size. Some
>>>>> stores are still selling the older version but supplies are
>>>>> dwindling. Meanwhile, the older iPhone is no longer being sold
>>>>> through Apple's online store.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple also has dramatically changed the way it is selling the
>>>>> iPhone, and the revenue it gets for doing so. Apple is no longer
>>>>> receiving a cut of fees that carriers charge, as it once did.
>>>>> Rather, it's only getting some or all of the initial phone
>>>>> purchase price.
>>>>>
>>>>> "This lets us scale faster," Philip Schiller, Apple senior vice
>>>>> president, said in an interview. "And it lets us have really
>>>>> aggressive pricing."
>>>>>
>>>>> The changes, especially the price cuts, have excited some
>>>>> analysts.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The 12 million iPhones Apple should sell this year now looks
>>>>> like a lay-up," said Gene Munster, analyst with Piper Jaffray.
>>>>> "We're much more comfortable now projecting Apple will sell 45
>>>>> million next year."
>>>>>
>>>>> The 3G iPhone is considered key for Apple to gain share in Asian
>>>>> and European nations where wireless networks that deliver
>>>>> internet access at wired broadband speeds are much more in demand.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure about the outright price of the new iPhone. Reading
>>>> this article from the perspective of AT&T the reported prices
>>>> involve subsidies. The article mentions penalties for those who
>>>> buy the phone but don't activate within 30 days. Obviously an
>>>> attempt at reducing the number
>>>> of and market for hacked phones. I wonder what the penalty is.
>>>
>>> At the launch, Jobs said the 8GB version would be available at
>>> prices "up to" $199 (the implication being that carriers
>>> could/would further discount it). I doubt there'll be any
>>> "co-payment" required in Australia on even the lower-end plans, and
>>> Optus/Vodafone won't be selling too many prepaid iPhones if the
>>> prepaid price is much more than $249-$299.
>>>
>>> Jobs also stated there would be worldwide pricing parity
>>> (presumably so far as possible, given daily exchange rate
>>> fluctuations, etc).
>>
>> But what was Jobs comparing? The AT&T prices are for a phone on a
>> two year plan with activation having to be completed in store.
>> Another cut and paste from
>> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/18684/1151/1/0/ Vodafone is
>> expected to offer the new iPhone 3G on a $A0 upfront contract says
>> Nathan Burley, an analyst at consulting and advisory firm Ovum.
>>
>> All Vodafone has announced publicly is that it will start selling the
>> iPhone 3G on July 11, and the handset will be offered to prepaid and
>> contract customers.
>>
>> I wonder where that leaves people like me, who are out of contract
>> on a postpaid plan? Will we be able to buy a 'prepaid' iPhone 3G and
>> use it with our existing Vodafone SIM? Or will it be necessary to go
>> back on contract?
>>
>> The answer that iTWire's David M Williams was given by staff at a
>> Vodafone store was that the iPhone will be sold outright and
>> unlocked for $A950. If that was the good oil (he was also told he
>> could have one next week, not next month, which does make me
>> wonder), it would make a mockery of Steve Jobs' claim of equivalent
>> pricing around the world.
>>
>> But then again, maybe $US199 plus the profit on a two-year contract
>> is equivalent to (though not the same as) $A950?
>
> O2 in the UK has released its iPhone 3G pricing.
>
> http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/paymonthly
>
> On the 30 pound/stirling/quid plan the handset is 99 pounds. That's
> an 18 month contract.
>
> There seems to be a lot of bull**** floating around in the press. I
> was reading one article where the tech writer actually thought the
> iPhone's "flash memory" was memory set aside for the use of Adobe
> Flash video.
>
> I really can't see the prepaid price of a network locked iPhone being
> much more than $299. A prepaid iPhone for $700+ is simply out of the
> price range of druggies, pimps, kids and povs.
>
> But who knows?
>
> (I also just discovered there's no way to use the 3G iPhone as a tethered
> modem (via USB) or as a Bluetooth modem. That's a major negative for me.)

Wonder how much else is similarly fundamentally crippled too.
Thats always been one major downside of the iphone.

It might drive the price of the N95 and N96 down significantly tho if Jobs' hype on price isnt pure bull****.

But its already dropped very significantly anyway.
http://stores.channeladvisor.com/uni...%20Black%208GB

Horry wrote...

> Telstra have missed out to Optus and Vodaphone on getting the new Apple 3G
> iphone iPhone despite the company having the fastest 3G network in the
> world. The phone due in Australia on July 11 is expected to sell for less
> than $250.

According to a guy I know on another forum who claims to work for a telco that
has yet to make an announcement but "watch this space", he says that the phone
will sell closer to $600 when it's released via this telco.

We'll have to wait and see, I s'pose. If Telstra is the telco that the guy's
talking about, and if what he's saying comes to pass it will be very
dissapointing. It will be the ideal phone for my wife, particularly if she can
get it before she heads off overseas later this year.

> It looks like a great phone, but too early to say for sure.
> Interestingly, it has GPS.

It certainly does. What's the original iPhone like for overall performance and
reliability, and of course, usability?

Horry wrote...

> Yup the 8GB model is $199 RRP (USD), and the 16GB version is $299.
>
> Methinks we'll soon see prices on the N95 8G slashed.

I wonder how much it will be "slashed" by? Certainly I can't see an 80 percent
reduction in price to compete with the iPhone. But then again, who knows...

> I really can't see the prepaid price of a network locked iPhone being
> much more than $299. A prepaid iPhone for $700+ is simply out of the
> price range of druggies, pimps, kids and povs.
>
> But who knows?
>

I saw them advertised outright.
$A775 8G
$A875 16G

Diddums wrote...

>
> > I really can't see the prepaid price of a network locked iPhone being
> > much more than $299. A prepaid iPhone for $700+ is simply out of the
> > price range of druggies, pimps, kids and povs.
> >
> > But who knows?
> >
>
> I saw them advertised outright.
> $A775 8G
> $A875 16G

Where?