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  1. #1
    Artoi
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    Any suggestion of a prepaid mobile service provider that uses Telstra's
    network?

    I note there are lots of 3rd parties that uses Optus' network but can't
    seem to find any on Telstra, and cheap. Looking for a SIM starter pack
    for limited time use.
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  2. #2
    Frank Slootweg
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    Re: Cheap prepaid mobile on Telstra network

    Artoi <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Any suggestion of a prepaid mobile service provider that uses Telstra's
    > network?
    >
    > I note there are lots of 3rd parties that uses Optus' network but can't
    > seem to find any on Telstra, and cheap. Looking for a SIM starter pack
    > for limited time use.


    Other prepaid mobile service provider's may allow you to *roam onto*
    Telstra's network, but I doubt that Telstra let's other MSPs *use* their
    (Telstra's) network as the user's *'home'* network.

    But why not just use *Telstra's* SIM starter pack [1]? Especially
    since - as you say - it's for limited time use. You can buy it
    'everywhere' (all Telstra shops, mobile shops, most electronic stores,
    many big supermarkets), etc.. It costs AU$ 30 and you get AU$ 30 of
    credit, i.e. the starter kit itself is 'free'.

    See also the "Available offers:" part, i.e. "Talk & Text +",
    "1c Text +", "Talk Time" and "Telstra Long Life".

    I, from The Netherlands, bought one early this year and will use it
    again on our trip next year. Perhaps the rates are higher than others,
    but for limited time use, the better/best coverage is what counts for
    me. I - obviously - selected the "Telstra Long Life" offer, so I can
    keep the number/SIM.

    I hope this helps.

    [1]
    <http://shop.telstra.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=11651&productId=71057>



  3. #3
    Rod Speed
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    Re: Cheap prepaid mobile on Telstra network

    Artoi wrote:

    > Any suggestion of a prepaid mobile service provider that uses Telstra's network?


    Which Telstra network ? There's more than one.

    > I note there are lots of 3rd parties that uses Optus'
    > network but can't seem to find any on Telstra, and cheap.


    Yeah, they dont resell much.

    > Looking for a SIM starter pack for limited time use.


    If you are happy with Telstra's GSM network, Southern Cross would likely suit you
    http://www.sctelco.com.au/your-mobile/your-mobile.php

    Thats not the Telstra NextG network that replaced cdma tho. If you need that
    for coverage in rural areas etc, there isnt much except Telstra themselves.





  4. #4
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Cheap prepaid mobile on Telstra network

    Frank Slootweg wrote:
    > Artoi <[email protected]> wrote:


    >> Any suggestion of a prepaid mobile service provider that uses Telstra's network?


    >> I note there are lots of 3rd parties that uses Optus' network but
    >> can't seem to find any on Telstra, and cheap. Looking for a SIM
    >> starter pack for limited time use.


    > Other prepaid mobile service provider's may allow you to *roam onto*
    > Telstra's network, but I doubt that Telstra let's other MSPs *use*
    > their (Telstra's) network as the user's *'home'* network.


    You're just plain wrong.

    > But why not just use *Telstra's* SIM starter pack [1]? Especially
    > since - as you say - it's for limited time use. You can buy it
    > 'everywhere' (all Telstra shops, mobile shops, most electronic stores,
    > many big supermarkets), etc.. It costs AU$ 30 and you get AU$ 30 of
    > credit, i.e. the starter kit itself is 'free'.


    > See also the "Available offers:" part, i.e. "Talk & Text +",
    > "1c Text +", "Talk Time" and "Telstra Long Life".


    > I, from The Netherlands, bought one early this year and will use it
    > again on our trip next year. Perhaps the rates are higher than others,
    > but for limited time use, the better/best coverage is what counts for
    > me. I - obviously - selected the "Telstra Long Life" offer, so I can
    > keep the number/SIM.


    > I hope this helps.


    > [1]
    > <http://shop.telstra.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=11651&productId=71057>






  5. #5
    Frank Slootweg
    Guest

    Re: Cheap prepaid mobile on Telstra network

    Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Frank Slootweg wrote:
    > > Artoi <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > >> Any suggestion of a prepaid mobile service provider that uses Telstra's network?

    >
    > >> I note there are lots of 3rd parties that uses Optus' network but
    > >> can't seem to find any on Telstra, and cheap. Looking for a SIM
    > >> starter pack for limited time use.

    >
    > > Other prepaid mobile service provider's may allow you to *roam onto*
    > > Telstra's network, but I doubt that Telstra let's other MSPs *use*
    > > their (Telstra's) network as the user's *'home'* network.

    >
    > You're just plain wrong.


    May I suggest you lookup what the verb [to] "doubt" actually *means*!?

    Anyway, I saw your other response, and:

    - as you say, it's GSM-network only, no NextG (and no 3G?), so your
    "plain" isn't so plain, is it?

    and the showstopper:

    - AFAICT, the MSP you mention does *not* offer *prepaid*, at least not
    in the normal sense, but *pay as you go* with billing afterwards, i.e.
    *postpaid*. (Yes, they seem have to have an "Upfront Payment", but
    that doesn't make it prepaid.

    So: You're just plain wrong.



  6. #6
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Cheap prepaid mobile on Telstra network

    Frank Slootweg wrote
    > Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >> Frank Slootweg wrote
    >>> Artoi <[email protected]> wrote


    >>>> Any suggestion of a prepaid mobile service provider that uses Telstra's network?


    >>>> I note there are lots of 3rd parties that uses Optus' network but
    >>>> can't seem to find any on Telstra, and cheap. Looking for a SIM
    >>>> starter pack for limited time use.


    >>> Other prepaid mobile service provider's may allow you to *roam
    >>> onto* Telstra's network, but I doubt that Telstra let's other MSPs
    >>> *use* their (Telstra's) network as the user's *'home'* network.


    >> You're just plain wrong.


    > May I suggest you lookup what the verb [to] "doubt" actually *means*!?


    I order you to go and **** yourself.

    > Anyway, I saw your other response, and:


    > - as you say, it's GSM-network only, no NextG (and no 3G?), so your "plain" isn't so plain, is it?


    He didnt say he even wants 3G, ****wit.

    > and the showstopper:


    > - AFAICT, the MSP you mention does *not* offer *prepaid*, at least
    > not in the normal sense, but *pay as you go* with billing afterwards,
    > i.e. *postpaid*. (Yes, they seem have to have an "Upfront Payment",
    > but that doesn't make it prepaid.


    Wrong, as always.

    > So: You're just plain wrong.


    Nope, you are, as always.





  7. #7
    Frank Slootweg
    Guest

    Re: Cheap prepaid mobile on Telstra network

    Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Frank Slootweg wrote
    > > Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    > >> Frank Slootweg wrote
    > >>> Artoi <[email protected]> wrote

    >
    > >>>> Any suggestion of a prepaid mobile service provider that uses Telstra's network?

    >
    > >>>> I note there are lots of 3rd parties that uses Optus' network but
    > >>>> can't seem to find any on Telstra, and cheap. Looking for a SIM
    > >>>> starter pack for limited time use.

    >
    > >>> Other prepaid mobile service provider's may allow you to *roam
    > >>> onto* Telstra's network, but I doubt that Telstra let's other MSPs
    > >>> *use* their (Telstra's) network as the user's *'home'* network.

    >
    > >> You're just plain wrong.

    >
    > > May I suggest you lookup what the verb [to] "doubt" actually *means*!?

    >
    > I order you to go and **** yourself.


    What a funny and mature response!

    > > Anyway, I saw your other response, and:

    >
    > > - as you say, it's GSM-network only, no NextG (and no 3G?), so your
    > > "plain" isn't so plain, is it?

    >
    > He didnt say he even wants 3G, ****wit.


    Perhaps you should check your calendar? Mine says 2008 and soon will
    say 2009. So one should assume *all* current networks, except when
    *stated otherwise*.

    And that he might not need 3G is quite probable, that's why I said
    "NextG". You *are* aware that "NextG" and "3G" are *totally* different,
    networks don't you?

    > > and the showstopper:

    >
    > > - AFAICT, the MSP you mention does *not* offer *prepaid*, at least
    > > not in the normal sense, but *pay as you go* with billing afterwards,
    > > i.e. *postpaid*. (Yes, they seem have to have an "Upfront Payment",
    > > but that doesn't make it prepaid.

    >
    > Wrong, as always.


    Again, stamping of little feet *without any (counter) proof*! How
    pathetic.

    Hint: If you say someone is wrong, you *must* say *why/what*.

    > > So: You're just plain wrong.

    >
    > Nope, you are, as always.


    Sorry, you lose. But I assume you're used to it.



  8. #8
    Horry
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    Re: Cheap prepaid mobile on Telstra network

    On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:20:00 +0100, Frank Slootweg wrote:

    > Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Frank Slootweg wrote
    >> > Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >> >> Frank Slootweg wrote
    >> >>> Artoi <[email protected]> wrote

    >>
    >> >>>> Any suggestion of a prepaid mobile service provider that uses
    >> >>>> Telstra's network?

    >>
    >> >>>> I note there are lots of 3rd parties that uses Optus' network but
    >> >>>> can't seem to find any on Telstra, and cheap. Looking for a SIM
    >> >>>> starter pack for limited time use.

    >>
    >> >>> Other prepaid mobile service provider's may allow you to *roam
    >> >>> onto* Telstra's network, but I doubt that Telstra let's other MSPs
    >> >>> *use* their (Telstra's) network as the user's *'home'* network.

    >>
    >> >> You're just plain wrong.

    >>
    >> > May I suggest you lookup what the verb [to] "doubt" actually
    >> > *means*!?

    >>
    >> I order you to go and **** yourself.

    >
    > What a funny and mature response!
    >
    >> > Anyway, I saw your other response, and:

    >>
    >> > - as you say, it's GSM-network only, no NextG (and no 3G?), so your
    >> > "plain" isn't so plain, is it?

    >>
    >> He didnt say he even wants 3G, ****wit.

    >
    > Perhaps you should check your calendar? Mine says 2008 and soon will
    > say 2009. So one should assume *all* current networks, except when
    > *stated otherwise*.
    >
    > And that he might not need 3G is quite probable, that's why I said
    > "NextG". You *are* aware that "NextG" and "3G" are *totally* different,
    > networks don't you?


    They're both 3G, though. And I'm pretty sure NextG (850Mhz 3G) customers
    can use the 2100Mhz 3G network as well (assuming their handsets support
    both frequencies).

    I agree with your point about "prepaid" terminology. Southern Cross
    Mobile doesn't offer traditional prepaid services. Anyone can "prepay"
    their phone bills, and if I overpay $1,000 on my phone bill it doesn't
    turn my postpaid mobile into a prepaid mobile.

    Incidentally, Think Mobile is also a Telstra reseller (GSM only, I
    believe) and no "traditional prepaid".

    http://www.thinkmobile.com.au/

    Also, as from early next year, 3 customers will be able to roam onto the
    Telstra NextG network (they currently roam onto Telstra's 2G GSM
    network). 3 offers traditional prepaid services.



  9. #9
    John Henderson
    Guest

    Re: Cheap prepaid mobile on Telstra network

    Horry wrote:

    > They're both 3G, though. And I'm pretty sure NextG (850Mhz
    > 3G) customers can use the 2100Mhz 3G network as well (assuming
    > their handsets support both frequencies).


    That's been my experience with Telstra Pre-Paid. Put a NextG
    SIM into an unlocked 2100mHz-only UMTS phone, and it'll happily
    use the 3G services of network ID 50506. This is the original
    joint Telstra/3 UMTS network which still provides all of 3's
    non-roaming service.

    > Also, as from early next year, 3 customers will be able to
    > roam onto the Telstra NextG network (they currently roam onto
    > Telstra's 2G GSM network).


    I didn't know that. I've just bought a 3 pre-paid broadband kit
    (12 months access with 12 GB of data). The Huawei E160G modem
    is HSDPA/UMTS 850/1900/2100 MHz, and I've got mine set to use
    HSDPA/UMTS only. Do you know how the roaming charges will
    work?

    John



  10. #10
    Frank Slootweg
    Guest

    Re: Cheap prepaid mobile on Telstra network

    Horry <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:20:00 +0100, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    > > Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> Frank Slootweg wrote

    [...]

    > >> > Anyway, I saw your other response, and:
    > >>
    > >> > - as you say, it's GSM-network only, no NextG (and no 3G?), so your
    > >> > "plain" isn't so plain, is it?
    > >>
    > >> He didnt say he even wants 3G, ****wit.

    > >
    > > Perhaps you should check your calendar? Mine says 2008 and soon will
    > > say 2009. So one should assume *all* current networks, except when
    > > *stated otherwise*.
    > >
    > > And that he might not need 3G is quite probable, that's why I said
    > > "NextG". You *are* aware that "NextG" and "3G" are *totally* different,
    > > networks don't you?

    >
    > They're both 3G, though. And I'm pretty sure NextG (850Mhz 3G) customers
    > can use the 2100Mhz 3G network as well (assuming their handsets support
    > both frequencies).


    I know, but note that we're talking about *Telstra* and I put "NextG"
    and "3G" in quotes. *Telstra's* "NextG" and "3G" networks are both third
    generation networks, but, as you (also) say, they are *not* the same
    network and use different frequencies. So in a Telstra context the use
    of "3G" (without quotes) is ambiguous: Is one referring to the
    *type/generation* of network or to the (brand) *name* of the network?

    In short:

    "NextG" is 3G.
    "3G" is 3G.
    "NextG" is *not* "3G".

    So there was this obvious hole with a big "Danger" sign in front and
    Mr. Speed said, "Let's step/fall into that one!".

    > I agree with your point about "prepaid" terminology. Southern Cross
    > Mobile doesn't offer traditional prepaid services. Anyone can "prepay"
    > their phone bills, and if I overpay $1,000 on my phone bill it doesn't
    > turn my postpaid mobile into a prepaid mobile.
    >
    > Incidentally, Think Mobile is also a Telstra reseller (GSM only, I
    > believe) and no "traditional prepaid".
    >
    > http://www.thinkmobile.com.au/
    >
    > Also, as from early next year, 3 customers will be able to roam onto the
    > Telstra NextG network (they currently roam onto Telstra's 2G GSM
    > network). 3 offers traditional prepaid services.


    Does 3 have another (i.e. other than Telstra) 'home'/default network?
    I.e. does it normally use network X and allow roaming onto Telstra's
    (2G GSM) network, or is Telstra's network the only network it can use?
    If the latter, it would meet the OP's requirements, at least for 2G GSM.



  11. #11
    Horry
    Guest

    Re: Cheap prepaid mobile on Telstra network

    On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 06:52:39 +1100, John Henderson wrote:

    >> Also, as from early next year, 3 customers will be able to roam onto
    >> the Telstra NextG network (they currently roam onto Telstra's 2G GSM
    >> network).

    >
    > I didn't know that.


    I've mentioned it here a couple of times in passing, but people always
    seem to assume I'm talking about Telstra's investment in Hutchison's
    2100Mhz 3G network.

    3 customers apparently won't get access to every NextG base; but instead
    will be limited to bases in areas also covered by Optus or Vodafone.
    Even so, it'll put 3 ahead of its non-Telstra competitors.


    > I've just bought a 3 pre-paid broadband kit (12
    > months access with 12 GB of data). The Huawei E160G modem is HSDPA/UMTS
    > 850/1900/2100 MHz, and I've got mine set to use HSDPA/UMTS only. Do you
    > know how the roaming charges will work?


    The roaming charges haven't been released yet... there's only been
    official remarks that they negotiated a good deal with Telstra and that
    the roaming rates will be significantly cheaper than the current $1.65
    per MB. Of course, a new rate of $0.50/MB would be significantly cheaper
    than the current rate -- but not many would be satisfied with paying
    that. It's going to be difficult for 3 to offer NextG roaming data at a
    rate comparable to non-roaming data simply because of the large price
    differences between the two carriers' standard rates.

    Are you certain that the E160g is 850Mhz? I know the Huawei website
    suggests that it is, but I've heard anecdotally that the website's
    incorrect.



  12. #12
    Horry
    Guest

    Re: Cheap prepaid mobile on Telstra network

    On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:54:01 +0100, Frank Slootweg wrote:

    >> I agree with your point about "prepaid" terminology. Southern Cross
    >> Mobile doesn't offer traditional prepaid services. Anyone can "prepay"
    >> their phone bills, and if I overpay $1,000 on my phone bill it doesn't
    >> turn my postpaid mobile into a prepaid mobile.
    >>
    >> Incidentally, Think Mobile is also a Telstra reseller (GSM only, I
    >> believe) and no "traditional prepaid".
    >>
    >> http://www.thinkmobile.com.au/
    >>
    >> Also, as from early next year, 3 customers will be able to roam onto
    >> the Telstra NextG network (they currently roam onto Telstra's 2G GSM
    >> network). 3 offers traditional prepaid services.

    >
    > Does 3 have another (i.e. other than Telstra) 'home'/default network?
    > I.e. does it normally use network X and allow roaming onto Telstra's (2G
    > GSM) network, or is Telstra's network the only network it can use? If
    > the latter, it would meet the OP's requirements, at least for 2G GSM.


    3 has its own 2100Mhz 3G network (which happens to be the same network as
    Telstra's 2100Mhz 3G network -- the network is 50/50 jointly owned).

    Outside its own network (mainland capital cities, plus the Gold Coast),
    customers roam onto Telstra 2G.

    Depending on the handset, it may be possible to lock the handset into
    using only the Telstra GSM network, but I believe doing so would be in
    breach of 3's SFOA. 3 does police it (and removes the ability to set GSM-
    only on handsets with 3-branded firmware), and customers with unbranded
    firmware have been known to receive letters threatening disconnection for
    persistently using GSM-only settings.



  13. #13
    John Henderson
    Guest

    Re: Cheap prepaid mobile on Telstra network

    Horry wrote:

    > The roaming charges haven't been released yet... there's only
    > been official remarks that they negotiated a good deal with
    > Telstra and that the roaming rates will be significantly
    > cheaper than the current $1.65 per MB. Of course, a new rate
    > of $0.50/MB would be significantly cheaper than the current
    > rate -- but not many would be satisfied with paying that.
    > It's going to be difficult for 3 to offer NextG roaming
    > data at a rate comparable to non-roaming data simply because
    > of the large price differences between the two carriers'
    > standard rates.
    >
    > Are you certain that the E160g is 850Mhz? I know the Huawei
    > website suggests that it is, but I've heard anecdotally that
    > the website's incorrect.


    It seems you're right. My E160G can't see any NextG cells (PLMN
    = "50501", and they're thick on the ground here), but can see
    2100 MHz cells from all UMTS carriers:


    AT+COPS=0,2,,2

    OK
    AT+COPS=?

    +COPS: (2,"3TELSTRA","3TELSTRA","50506",2),(3,"vodafone
    AU","voda AU","50503",2),(3,"YES
    OPTUS","Optus","50502",2),,(0,1,2,3,4),(0,1,2)

    OK


    Anyhow, I find that if I lock the E160G to UMTS and PLMN 50506
    it stays locked through resets and power down/up cycles. I've
    locked it with:


    AT+COPS=1,2,"50506",2

    OK
    AT&W

    OK


    John



  14. #14
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Cheap prepaid mobile on Telstra network

    Frank Slootweg wrote
    > Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >> Frank Slootweg wrote
    >>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
    >>>>> Artoi <[email protected]> wrote


    >>>>>> Any suggestion of a prepaid mobile service provider that uses Telstra's network?


    >>>>>> I note there are lots of 3rd parties that uses Optus' network but
    >>>>>> can't seem to find any on Telstra, and cheap. Looking for a SIM
    >>>>>> starter pack for limited time use.


    >>>>> Other prepaid mobile service provider's may allow you to *roam
    >>>>> onto* Telstra's network, but I doubt that Telstra let's other MSPs
    >>>>> *use* their (Telstra's) network as the user's *'home'* network.


    >>>> You're just plain wrong.


    >>> May I suggest you lookup what the verb [to] "doubt" actually *means*!?


    >> I order you to go and **** yourself.


    > What a funny and mature response!


    Like that or lump it !!!

    >>> Anyway, I saw your other response, and:


    >>> - as you say, it's GSM-network only, no NextG (and no 3G?), so your "plain" isn't so plain, is it?


    >> He didnt say he even wants 3G, ****wit.


    > Perhaps you should check your calendar?


    Its completely irrelevant to what he wants, ****wit.

    > Mine says 2008 and soon will say 2009. So one should assume
    > *all* current networks, except when *stated otherwise*.


    Wrong, as always.

    > And that he might not need 3G is quite probable,


    So your **** about NextG is completely irrelevant, ****wit.

    > that's why I said "NextG". You *are* aware that "NextG"
    > and "3G" are *totally* different, networks don't you?


    Pity they arent, ****wit.

    >>> and the showstopper:


    >>> - AFAICT, the MSP you mention does *not* offer *prepaid*,
    >>> at least not in the normal sense, but *pay as you go* with billing
    >>> afterwards, i.e. *postpaid*. (Yes, they seem have to have an
    >>> "Upfront Payment", but that doesn't make it prepaid.


    >> Wrong, as always.


    > Again, stamping of little feet *without any (counter) proof*!


    How odd that we havent seen a shred of anything even remotely
    resembling anything like proof from you, ever, ****wit.

    > How pathetic.


    Your sig is supposed to be last, with a line with just --- on it in front of it, ****wit.

    > Hint: If you say someone is wrong, you *must* say *why/what*.


    Wrong, as always.

    >>> So: You're just plain wrong.


    >> Nope, you are, as always.


    > Sorry, you lose.


    You get no say what so ever on that or anything else at all, ever, ****wit.





  15. #15
    Marts
    Guest

    Re: Cheap prepaid mobile on Telstra network

    Frank Slootweg wrote...

    > In short:
    >
    > "NextG" is 3G.
    > "3G" is 3G.
    > "NextG" is *not* "3G".


    You didn't write Rumsfeld's speech about "known unknowns" by any chance?






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