BMW or Mercedes-Benz?

Originally Posted by G-man

No I didn't say a word... nor did I ever intend to... some folks just aren't worth wasting air on... all I did was mention that I owned a Mercedes (among several other cars and suv's... that and jokingly questioned your mental health... which it seems I wasn't so far off, after all. btw I did own a BMW once long ago... but I got tired of it being in the shop more than it was on the road. ...that and well... it just reminded me of an old ladies car. My Grandmother drives one, in fact.) Furthermore, I didn't purchase my Benz for it's sportiness... I already have several sporty cars. But BMW and Mercedes? I don't think of either as "sporty" quite honestly.

and 'never back up what I say?' I never said anything that needed backing up!

And.. my dad has owned a 1988 BMW 318i.. and not a single problem; only a rebuilt starter, and distributer cap. My uncle, who is quite a bit richer, bought an E300, and spent quite a bit of money replacing the flywheel, and eventually the gearbox due to the humming of the spacing that had developed. Not to mention, my uncle is unbelievably boring.. and thinks a car is nothing more than a means of transportation.. but hard to argue against you, since you probably are one of these people.

Possibly... but I've always heard that about BMW drivers too... primarily Yuppies drive BMW...

Have you ever noticed, that only the C class comes with manual transmission.. and they in the end are beaten down by BMW's with their superior engine build, and straight-6 configuration, that now develops 260 horsepower? WHat does the benz alternative deliver? somwhere in the range of 215..

To enlighten you... all you need to know is this about Mercedes... it's made in Germany... ever travelled to Germany? I have and I know that the Germans are known for their strong work ethic, they are very precise and careful, they work hard and they are very conservative people...

BMW comes from Bavaria.. the rather more successful area of Germany.. if you know your history.

The Germans aren't concerned in the least about silly prestige or status symbols... that's reserved for folks concerned about meaningless, trivial issues like you!

Wow.. how ignorant. Rich people really are ignorant.

Perhaps it would help if you actually provided pics to the exact year and model of cars I mentioned hmnnn...?

Man.. you really don't know anything about cars. But.. what's new? Something expected.

http://www.fast-autos.net/bmw/bmw.html

http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/merce...5vrqXJAxx3eL8F

The Mercedes is rated at 476 horsepower not 469

Wrong again.. but nothing's new. You obvioiusly can't back up BS.. which is why you can't back up anything you say.

http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/merce...uzOKwOavYP8cIF

(and just look at the rpm's that are needed for your Beamer to reach that amount btw... )

No wonder.. you don't care about sportiness and response of naturally aspirated cars. Forced induction simply means a lower redline, and a slower engine response. That's also why the BMW is also much more sporty than the Benz. Plus, with nearly 700cc's/ cyl in the Benz.. engine response is made even slower.. while with the 500cc's/ cyl in the M5; engine response is way quicker. Can't believe you don't know this.

The Mercedes E55 has 516 pound feet at a reasonably accessible 2650 rpms compared to the M5's pansy-ish 384 pound feet and I believe an astounding ummm 6100 rpms.

You know.. torque on the dynomometer equates to the horsepower, which is what counts. Yet.. even with that 516 ft-lbs; the Benz gets less horsepower. Oh yeah.. diesels get even more torque at lower RPM. Do you like diesels for their speed?

Further comparisons... you mentioned the balanced 50/50 weight distribution right? ... well that's not quite accurate yet again... the M5 is 51/49 close but... then so is the E55 at 53/47... minimal difference that 99.9% of the time will never arise in day to day driving.

It means understeer, and it shows. Not to mention; the BMW outdoes the Benz in slalom, and skidpad. Hell, even the old BMW M5 outdid the '05 E55 AMG in slalom and skidpad. Sad really.. That's what that weight balance equates to. The BMW 530i does slalom at 67 mph, and .90 on skidpad (Road and track.. please look it up). So with an extra 275 horsepower.. what do you think that will do? Btw.. the E55 Benz does 63 mph on slalom, and .83g on the skidpad.

Well here's the difference between the M5 and the E55... *drum roll please...* *whispers* 50 pounds.

Wrong again, for the third time.. the M5 weighs in at 3700 lbs. the E55? 4237. Either you don't know any math or history, or more bull**** meter went off the scale.

by an extra $80, the E55 has better gas mileage, a smaller wheelbase, better cornering, is easier to handle in the straight-aways... it's close but... in the end the E55 has the BMW equivalent beat overall.

You have no idea what slalom or skidpad is... Even the old M5 beat the current E55 in that area, and out handle it.

...and if you actually knew the first thing about performance cars or design (which I'm an expert on btw... I consult auto manufacturers on how to design and build cars, write and develop the software they use in designing cars and I'm the owner and CEO of the company I founded that provides this service, which is one of a dozen or so currently but growing at an exponential rate I might add... my previous profession before I became an entreprenuer/investor trained me to drive in such a manner as to actually utilize all this performance you seem so concerned about... I quite frankly don't see the importance to drive like that unless you were working for a law enforcement agency or a race car driver or similar... and I know for certain you aren't the former. ) you would know that you can't compare two cars that are nearly identical... the auto companies are putting up these two cars as all competetive auto companies do like you would two opposing members on a sports team... understand? These cars are meant to compete for sales in a specific market... in other words... they are nearly identical. That's the way it works... first it was the E55 then BMW created the M5 to compete in that spectrum of the market. They each have their seperate identities and philosophies but essentially on paper... they are identical twins. I'm not a fan... I do know PLENTY more than you do and the majority of everyone else regarding performance and I don't ever run away from anything. The only reason I just posted up pics is that first of all, I didn't want to get into a senseless argument with someone who was biased in their closed minded opinions (hint: don't post a poll if you don't want to hear someone's view other than your own) secondly; you have little to no knowledge about the subject and your "facts" are intentionally skewed in favour of your opinion. Anyway, my advice to you... if you don't want to hear another's opinion that differs from your own... don't ask for it! I have no more to add to this thread but I'm not "running away" as you say kiddo'. Hmnnn... looks like the poll is 50/50.

You say all this.. but you don't know about throttle response of forced induction engines or naturally aspirited engines, and effects of larger displacement? And you can't get your facts straight? Wow. I can get your job so easily.

Did I mention that the M5 has the SMG-II gearbox, with hydroelectric clutch? While the Benz is only availible with an automatic?

EDIT: Found another factual error.

first it was the E55 then BMW created the M5 to compete in that spectrum of the market

Do you know when the first M5 was created.. and when the first E55 was created? Man.. how the hell can you own a "consulting firm" and not know Sh..? Not know about skidpad, or when the first M5 was created, or slalom speeds. No wonder you can't back up your BS either.

The first E55 was created in '00. The first M5 was created way back in 1987. Wow.. mercedes copies too.

your "facts" are intentionally skewed in favour of your opinion.

Ironically enough, you provide the wrong facts with nothing to back it up. You want my proof? It's all up there in real sources. If I just heard that out of nowhere, it would be rather obvious that it would be talking about yourself.

Btw.. your facts are intentionally skewed in favor of you opinion. Oh yea, they're not actually skewed.. they're just BS

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Oh.. and to the rest of the people.. here's another reason to go for BMW. The sport sedan class around here is dominated by BMW and it's 3 series. Here's a little "comparison" between the Benz and the BMW.

Benz has the C320 "sport" sedan
V6, 215 Horsepower
3430 lbs weight
19/26 Fuel economy

BMW 330i
I6, 225 Horsepower
3285 lbs weight
21/30 Fuel economy

Oh yes.. and the C320 has very poor throttle response compared to the BMW. I've driven one myself.. feels more like my camaro

But you know what? The BMW I put up here is soon the be replaced by the new 330i. It's already been released in Europe, and in 3 months, it'll be on US shores. How about the specs of it?

BMW 330i
I6, 258 Horsepower
Lighter weight (With BMW's new engine technology, the engine is 30% lighter)
Fuel Economy.. BMW hasn't released it yet, but Car and Driver say it's been improved.

0-60 mph: 5.6 seconds
1/4 mile: 14.3 seconds

Benz C320
V6 215 Horsepower
3430 lbs weight
19/26 Fuel economy

0-60 mph: 6.9 seconds
1/4 mile: 15.1 seconds

And.. the Benz loses big time on handling, considering the BMW has perfect weight balance. One of the traits of BMW's.

Are any of you aware of the prestige BMW engine's carry? How about Mercedes?

Well.. Mclaren chose BMW to engineer the engine for the magnificent Mclaren F1 capable of 241 mph. And, Ascari, with their KZ1, chose BMW to make their engine.

Mercedes on the other hand....... Well; Chrysler uses their engine in the Crossfire. But what has more prestige, Mclaren and Ascari? Or Chrysler? Not to mention, Mercedes had to buy from Mclaren for their SLR (which still sucks), while Mclaren bought from BMW.

Need more proof? Here are a few more examples..

BMW 530i vs. Benz E320
BMW 545i vs Benz E500 (AHAHAHAHAHA!! )
BMW M3 vs Benz C55 AMG

Wow, you two have managed to post the longest damn posts in CPF history!! Can't you take it to PM??

Come on G....*waits for G to come online*

But i prefer beamers to mercs, but thats because im just 18
But my dad had a merc a while back (E320) and it was always in being repaired, The Rollcage was always goin on it, id say he spent more repairing it than he did to buy it in the first place, so he got rid of it,eating at his pockets,It was a nice car though, really comfortable to be in!

.... Oh Jennie... what a riot!!

I think the right thing to do is continue to argue the merits of the automobiles and cease arguing the opinins of one anothers' perceived mental deficiencies...

and HEY!! No going back and editing/deleting posts... ... I'm officially taking bets on how long this thread lasts boys and girls


....And for the record...? If any of y'all wanna deliver a Benz and a Beamer to my driveway I'll be glad to have an opinion of my own... it'll probably all be based on ease-of-carseat-installation !!

wow....those are some long posts...
just found out a whole load of stuff on beemers and benzs...
as for me i dont care for beemers or benzs...but i do have to side with beemers for their performance


benz are for those who either are rich or wanna look rich and both ways are perfectly fine...cuz its better than what i drive lol

LOL yellow mercs, dont see them evryday

I have a BMW and love it, dont know what was wrong with your BMW gman but mine has never been in the shop once and i have had it for 5 years

Beamers

i have a 2004 bmw 330ci, its a DREAM! i test drove a few MZB, but the bmw just has the handling and sport that MZB can't touch.

Bmw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

neither your all wrong... audi wins all!!! Audi is my vote....

i dont liek mercedi's intertior

hard one.. but i would go bmw. mmmm m3

I would take the Mercedes Benz CL65 AMG over any BMW anyday