Airline Security

Am I the only one that is getting absolutely sick of all the bull**** security measures. It is getting freakin ridiculous. Honestly. Can't take a drink on anymore or food or toiletries. I would rather get rid of security and take my chances with the terrorists. FED UP WITH GOVERMENT CONTROL. Anarchy is looking good.

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Anarchy could never work, but it makes more sense than any government system. Airline security sucks, but it's not going to change. Not while Bush is in office anyway. He's too busy turning this democracy into a dictatorship with ultimate government control. We would be better off to change our ways and follow the likes of Britain. When they are attacked by terrorists, they don't do anything. Has the number of terrorist attacks increased? No. Life moves on. If you don't give them the attention they're craving, they'll go away eventually. Bringing attention to what they're doing is just going to make it worse because you're proving them them that what they're doing works.

I always fly when I go visit my sister & her husband or go some where else. When I flew out of Pensacola they told me to take off my gold seiko watch and they had to look at it and play with it? That really made me not a good mood. If they dropped it on the ground or against the machine they use to xray, They would probaly have to buy me a new one, that watch cost me around $500 bucks since it was brand new. I understand they have to take measures when its a clock or whatever but they didnt have to take about 20 mins to look at it and stare at it knowing its not a bomb. A guy and a girl behind me waiting was like thats total b/s they had to do that, everyone else agreed. im glad I didnt have to take off my gold necklace and my bracelet, because I have alot of money tied up in everything I had on. But ne ways, some people want the security points lower down some and some want it the same as before.

Well, recently, they threw all the cab's out of HIA (Harrisburg Intl' Airport), near me (Step-Father drove cab), except for "Americab (aka American Taxi)". They aren't even allowed near the terminal anymore and they go through constant "car checks". It's getting out of control. The security is GOOD, don't get me wrong, but the terrorists are getting more sophisticated in their attacks, so nessassary precautions have to be taken (and yes, it's a hassle for the rest of us ).

Ummmm, in theory, could a terrorist not just simply punch their fist through one of the windows ? Instant pressure loss at 28 thousand feet could easily bring a plane down, or suck out a lot of stuff at least.

If someone wants to, they can and will find a way. Hence why I find the whole airline security industry a joke. The answer would be simple, armed sky marshalls on every plane, worldwide.

Yeah, but then they could still be a terrorist... this is getting out of control.

This country was founded on terrorism. Unless things change quickly, I think it will be the downfall of this country as well. Right now, we don't have an enemy. We're not fighting a war. We're fighting an idea. The Cold War proved that when you're not fighting anything in particular, you're just going to keep dumping money into something until your country collapses on itself. This country is going to crash if we keep fighting "the terrorists." After the PATRIOT Act was passed, there were a lot of people that were arrested for being thought to be "terrorists" including a boy in the 5th grade in my home town. Well...he wasn't arrested, but the FBI showed up at his door to check up on the situation. This is no different than McCarthyism in the 50's. Live and don't learn. That's the motto for the Bush administration.

I think you are generalizing and being somewhat unfair to the Bush administration... but point well made. It has gotten out of hand to the point of being ridiculous. Your right in that we are now fighting mostly an idea. It is the case of diminshing returns. When we started it was great and good. But now money spent for results achieved is widening and it is costing more for less return. So you are right in that if it was to keep going it couldn't be sustained and the country would collapse. The thing that sucks is there is so much travel I would like to do but I won't put up with the B.S. of insane security so I lose. Maybe they should offer security free flights for those like me and just put armed air marshalls on those flights

Originally Posted by _Abom_

Ummmm, in theory, could a terrorist not just simply punch their fist through one of the windows ? Instant pressure loss at 28 thousand feet could easily bring a plane down, or suck out a lot of stuff at least.

If someone wants to, they can and will find a way. Hence why I find the whole airline security industry a joke. The answer would be simple, armed sky marshalls on every plane, worldwide.

Punch through a window...I guess you dont realize the amount of force were talking about here.
10 people could not open a cabin door at that altitude.

...Yes, find a way: They will find a hole in our heightened security,
because it is full of holes. And the joke is: its nothng but a false sense of security.

...I dont think sky marshalls are the answer...
We need to nip the problem at the source before boarding our planes: before entering our country!

Originally Posted by camstuf

Punch through a window...I guess you dont realize the amount of force were talking about here.
10 people could not open a cabin door at that altitude.

...Yes, find a way: They will find a hole in our heightened security,
because it is full of holes. And the joke is: its nothng but a false sense of security.

...I dont think sky marshalls are the answer...
We need to nip the problem at the source before boarding our planes: before entering our country!

An emergency window exit wouldn't open ? Aren't they pressurized to pop off and away from the plane when they're opened ? I could be wrong, I personally have no idea. And it makes sense that punching a window out would be easier said than done, my point was actually more of an "if they want to bring a plane down, they will" train of thought.

But I do agree, we need to address the problem before it gets inside our countries.

Originally Posted by soonerdude

I think you are generalizing and being somewhat unfair to the Bush administration

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No I'm not.

Originally Posted by soonerdude

When we started it was great and good.

No it wasn't. The whole "war on terror" idea is a catch phrase that doesn't make much sense. For every one terrorist killed, you'll piss off ten other people that will want to become terrorists. The quickest way to piss people off is to oppress them and tell them to do things a certain way when they're used to doing things THEIR way. We invaded Iraq when the general public knew that Osama Bin Laden was in Pakistan (or at least the general public had access to the information). If we really wanted to go after terrorism and the people that caused 9/11, why weren't we going after them? So now we're going out and fighting terrorism WITH terrorism. Don't misunderstand me...I'm not trying to disrespect soldiers individually, but the actions that our government/military is taking against civilians has to stop. There was a clip 2 or 3 months into the war that showed a US helicopter coming up over a hill and gunning down a bunch of people standing around in a village. You probably never saw it because it was never aired in the United States. It wasn't aired because the administration needed to have the people behind the cause initially. It was aired on BBC in Europe. Also, why is it suddenly disrespectful to show coffins of our deceased soldiers coming back onto American soil? That used to be a sign of great respect. I'm not sure what happened between the last war and this one that would make that change.

Originally Posted by soonerdude

But now money spent for results achieved is widening and it is costing more for less return. So you are right in that if it was to keep going it couldn't be sustained and the country would collapse.

It is really irritating to me that we are spending so much money for literally nothing. At best, we will have caused a civil war in Iraq which will lead to exactly the same place that it started. I often wonder what would happen if we stopped fighting for a day and used that money on education instead. I mean...honestly, if we had all of this money laying around to begin with, why weren't we using it to the benefit of our population?

Originally Posted by soonerdude

The thing that sucks is there is so much travel I would like to do but I won't put up with the B.S. of insane security so I lose. Maybe they should offer security free flights for those like me and just put armed air marshalls on those flights

I say we just go back to what security was like BEFORE 9/11. How many aerial attacks had there been before 9/11? Not a lot. If you look at what has happened with terrorism in other countries, it makes no sense that we reacted the way that we did. 9/11 was awful, but jumping up and down, screaming, and oppressing our OWN people as a response is exactly the kind of reaction that terrorists are after. If we give them what they want, then it proves that what they do works. It only leads to more terrorism. This is evident in the guy that almost blew up another plane when he tried to light his shoes on fire...what, 2 months later? I will be surprised if the actions taken by the Bush administration don't lead to the downfall of this country. We've completely ruined our reputation with the rest of the world, the value of the dollar is going down, the stock market is going down...the future does not look good.

Originally Posted by _Abom_

An emergency window exit wouldn't open ? Aren't they pressurized to pop off and away from the plane when they're opened ? I could be wrong, I personally have no idea. And it makes sense that punching a window out would be easier said than done, my point was actually more of an "if they want to bring a plane down, they will" train of thought.

But I do agree, we need to address the problem before it gets inside our countries.

@abom, The intent of an emergency exit is to evacuate on the ground, or water.
No one can exist at 28,000 feet above altitude for even a nano second.

@spum, thanks for not busting my chopps

Originally Posted by camstuf

@spum, thanks for not busting my chopps

You're welcome. Actually, I don't think you said anything that would allow me to bust your chops. Although if you want to, I won't hesitate to bust your chops if I'm given the opportunity.

Originally Posted by spum

You're welcome. Actually, I don't think you said anything that would allow me to bust your chops. Although if you want to, I won't hesitate to bust your chops if I'm given the opportunity.

lol

it is gettin a bit too ridiculous, i went over to england to see a friend last year, and i got a lecture for trying to get a small hair scissors on the plane i mean a small one, just triiming around the ears and that, to be honest i didnt even know it was in my bag, it was part of a men's kit i got for christmas, and that was takin off me, but at the same time i had a lighter, fags, and bottle of deodrant. i think the latter would do more damage, they dont know what they're doin half the time.