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    sat110
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    What we need is a "really big lawsuit "to standardize the cell phone industry
    and gets a handle on this cash cow proprietary industry something like the right of phone number
    ownership lawsuit, I bet you all like that result right? what about this below?

    Buy the phone you like "online or in a store" AND THEN pick a provider BASED on service
    and value. that's capitalism my freind not whats going on today, How in the world did they
    ever get so much control over our public airwaves and us in the
    first place. "Like the Iphone to bad if you don't have ATT&T

    Their was a time when if you changed providers you flat out lost your personal phone number
    which basically held a customer hostage to a provider regardless of poor service and price
    only reason that ever changed was because someone got fed of and sued them

    The same is going on right now with phones whether its discounted or not your stll paying for it
    never mind the price should you ever get stuck paying retail.

    Take a look around your house from your cordless phone, to cd player, TV etc and tell me what a cellphone
    cost these days retail or even At a discount, aint outrage's? ASK YOURSELF THAT?

    WAKE UP FOLKS it doesn't have to be this way call your Senator or Congressman every dam day
    because this cell phone industry cash cow will be coming to an end one day, lets just make it sooner rather then later

    I plead with you, Please Your a CELL PHONE FORUM site you should be leading this fight, THAT IS if
    your on the side of THE CUSTOMER not the cell phone industry which I hope your not.



    Sometime One may need to be reminded when being Taken.

    The way it is Now:
    Go over your minutes for the month, and you PAY!
    go under your minutes for the month and say good by (can't be carried over "NADA")
    Make sense? who's being screwed? You maybe?

    Everybody I have ever known either went under or over there Monthly Minutes SEE they win evey time!
    Its reached such a point and To even add injury to insult one carrier even boasted you get to keep YOUR
    unused minutes WOW thanks you Key being "YOUR Minutes" and that was a special plan of course with restrictions.

    A copy of this post has been made
    this is not an attack just an attempt to stick up for the avg cell phone customer


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    Re: Cell phone Industry Lawsuit Needed

    Good response Rob. I agree.

    You are signing a contract to use the services of your cell phone provider. You agree to those terms. If any party breaks the contract, they pay one way or another. This would be grounds to sue (if they overbill you, for example) not because you feel that you're being screwed.

    It takes a long time to standardize anything in any industry. Cell phones have only been mainstream for about 10 years. If anything, cell phone providers are doing very well as far as moving the technology along. Think about it, there are only 2 main bands now, there used to be 5 or so.

    Bottom line, if you don't like your cell phone provider, then don't use them. Sometimes it's just a matter of being a smart customer.
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    Re: Cell phone Industry Lawsuit Needed

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    Good response Rob. I agree.

    You are signing a contract to use the services of your cell phone provider. You agree to those terms. If any party breaks the contract, they pay one way or another. This would be grounds to sue (if they overbill you, for example) not because you feel that you're being screwed.

    It takes a long time to standardize anything in any industry. Cell phones have only been mainstream for about 10 years. If anything, cell phone providers are doing very well as far as moving the technology along. Think about it, there are only 2 main bands now, there used to be 5 or so.

    Bottom line, if you don't like your cell phone provider, then don't use them. Sometimes it's just a matter of being a smart customer.
    Thats the problem with the cell phone industry they all do things the same way to give it to us you have no choice or nowhere else to go!



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    Re: Cell phone Industry Lawsuit Needed

    Robb4248 Do you in some way profit from the current cell phone industry status quo?
    because I cant see any avg person (customer) defending the way things are being conducted right now

    Ask yourself the following:

    Is it right that to purchase an iphone you also have to sign up for ATT&T service?

    Is it right that any unused minutes for the month simply expire, yet if you go over your minutes for the month your charged up the gazooo?

    Is it right that the phone you paid for cannot be used with another provider
    no matter how much you forked out for it?

    Thats just a quick few I don't want to eat up to much space here

    Robb4248 You also wrote oddly to make a backwards point
    There are different bands of phones as well, CDMA, TDMA, and GSM. Providers come up with their own options for these phones.

    Thats exactly what I'm taking about this is done on purpose to basically hold a customer financialyl hostage and maximize profit to afford the Millions and Millions in CEO and board salary and retire packages at the cost of the consumer at all cost they can get a way with
    REMEMBER YOU BUY A PHONE THAT CANNOT BE USED WITH ANOTHER PROVIDER

    Were you against a customer's right to keep their cell phone number
    when changing a provider? the cell phone industry fought this tooth and nail
    that lawsuit gave us a basic right we should have had from day one

    The cell phone industry will one day be fair to customers, no matter what the industry lapdogs spin out their I'm right on this and any one with half a brain can see that

    WE ARE BEING TAKEN EVERYDAY

    Do you really think anybody reading this tread cant see this has become a cell phone industry tag team against me? you guys watch forums very well, I'll give you that! I know your no CEO probably just a avg peron working in this industry
    but remember before you put me down, your also a cell phone customer at the end of the day as well, and that means I'm also sticking up for you.
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    Re: Cell phone Industry Lawsuit Needed

    What do you all think of the service my company is providing?

    link in sig.



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    Re: Cell phone Industry Lawsuit Needed

    Quote Originally Posted by Robb4248 View Post
    No, I do not. My jobs aren't even close to dealing with Telecommunications.



    "Right"? You don't have a "right" to purchase a video game that is exclusive to one console, and play it on another, do you? No. Just like video games, you don't have a "right" to purchase a phone for any provider.



    If you have a problem with it, you shouldn't have signed up with their service.




    That's just plain wrong.



    So just because I'm a regular on these forums make me a part of the industry? Nope, sorry to disappoint you.

    Yes, I'm a customer, but I have no problem my service or contract. I've been with T-Mobile for 3 years, and Cingular for one. T-Mobile had a plan that suited me better than Cingular, and I liked their coverage better. Nobody screwed me over.
    You must really think people are stupid?
    because you post and say your not, that somehow means its true? come on man

    If you think this cell phone industrie is not setup for maximum profit at the expense of the customer you have to be personally in the game or just totally insane.

    VOLVORacr instead of cowardly making light to deflect whats really going on, why not point out what you see as incorrect in any of my posts above?

    and please by all means "weigh in" was that Lawsuit a good thing when won in court gave the right to all customer's to keep your cell phone number from provider to provider? Yes Including the both of you! VOLVORacr and Robb4248



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    Re: Cell phone Industry Lawsuit Needed

    Quote Originally Posted by Robb4248 View Post
    Nope, only you for thinking that. I'm a Network Administrator, Web master, and a Repossession Agent (odd combo, no? Don't believe me? I'll go outside and take a picture of my trucks right now.), not anything to do with cell phones. I honestly think that you should really think before posting. If you were a regular member of CPF, you would know that. Cell Phones are a hobby for me, NOT a career.



    Did I say it was a bad idea? No.

    If you remotely understood FCC Compliance Regulations and wireless specifications, you would understand that it would have to be either GSM, CDMA, or TDMA for EVERY CARRIER for this idea to work. GSM would be the easiest solution because of SIM cards. CDMA and TDMA carrier(s) would have to build new towers and tear down the old ones in order to make this work.

    But wait, there's more. The world also operates on GSM/TDMA/CDMA technology, ALL OF THEM, not just one (GSM/CDMA being the most frequently encountered). If the US would be switching, this would drop the need for any cellphone band NOT being used. This is a world wide impact, not just the US. You have to look at the big picture.



    So, in one sentence to clear this ALL up:

    This idea is not feasible because not only would it cost millions (if not billions) of dollars per company to make the changes needed (that would be past onto you in bill increases), but it would drop the demand of a particular model of phone world wide, forcing reduce in manufacturing and increase in prices for the phones, which will also be passed onto you.
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    Hobby? you seem to be quite fluent in the phone industry for a hobby!
    look I understand I'm beating a dead horse around here, not one avg everyday cell phone customer even read this tread I beat

    I'll close it with this, brace yourself ONE DAY, the cell phone industry will be standardized in a few years and all the Spin and Jargon won't stop it
    just like the lawsuit over the right to carry your Cell number from provider to provider, they "screamed" that could'nt be done as well

    REMEMBER FAZING OUT FREON A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO?
    The cell phone industry is complex because they made it that way they could make a standard phone tomorrow that you could carry from provider to provider (sounds a lot like heath Care doesn't it?

    Know whats really 100% anti capitalism! not being able to buy a brand new cell phone lets say in a store like (walmart) know why? because the true outragest markup on these phones would be exposed overnight.

    I have built complete P4 computers for less then most of these phones
    Remember if you are an avg consumer like you say, I'm one of you, but man you certainly do not sound like one talking about the cell phone industry.

    JMO



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    Re: Cell phone Industry Lawsuit Needed

    Great discussion!

    I think your logic is slightly off though JMO... Anything new is going to be complicated at first. There's going to be different formats and different companies competing for customers.

    The companies want to make it as simple as possible while maximizing profit. Do you really think that they want it to be complicated? No, complication costs more money.

    Lets say that you want to be part of a club. This club is exclusive and you have to pay to be a part of it. It also has special gear that you must use; gear that won't work outside the club. You must sign a contract, and if you don't meet up to your obligation you pay a fine, or are kicked out.

    Unfortunately that's how it is right now with cell phone companies. In their efforts to tame a fickle customer base, rapidly changing technology, and keep things simple this is what has to be done. Yes, things may cost more, but in the end things will even out. (just like PC's did)

    IMO, suing because you don't agree with a big company isn't the answer.
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    Re: Cell phone Industry Lawsuit Needed

    Quote Originally Posted by Robb4248 View Post
    The world also operates on GSM/TDMA/CDMA technology, ALL OF THEM, not just one (GSM/CDMA being the most frequently encountered).
    And UMTS, W-CDMA, the new HSDPA data for GSM...



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    Re: Cell phone Industry Lawsuit Needed

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    Great discussion!

    I think your logic is slightly off though JMO... Anything new is going to be complicated at first. There's going to be different formats and different companies competing for customers.

    The companies want to make it as simple as possible while maximizing profit. Do you really think that they want it to be complicated? No, complication costs more money.

    Lets say that you want to be part of a club. This club is exclusive and you have to pay to be a part of it. It also has special gear that you must use; gear that won't work outside the club. You must sign a contract, and if you don't meet up to your obligation you pay a fine, or are kicked out.

    Unfortunately that's how it is right now with cell phone companies. In their efforts to tame a fickle customer base, rapidly changing technology, and keep things simple this is what has to be done. Yes, things may cost more, but in the end things will even out. (just like PC's did)

    IMO, suing because you don't agree with a big company isn't the answer.
    No! its the complete opposite of what you say above! they do want to make it complicated,and work constantly at keeping it that way , it is the only way to maximize outrages profit, and they have been around awhile NOW and will never change unless forced to, common man! would you want to give up a cash cow dream playing feild? if this cell phone industry had its way today you would not be able to keep your cell phone number from provider to provider

    Example:Imagine laying out almost 700.00 for an iphone and then not being happy with ATT&T for whatever reason like service, what do you do
    cancel service you probably have a contract for years? and then do what with the Iphone you own? eat It you can't use it with any other another provider!

    Personally I don't have a problem with capitalism, problem is this is not capitalism Customers want a fair playing field, I keep hearing around here, don't like the way things are in the cell phone business don't use a cell phone, all the providers basically act and demand the same like a cartel, Muti year contracts, propertiery phones and famously use it or lose monthly minutes YET go over your monthly minutes and prepare to pay up the kazoo

    You sound like a nice person but the facts are the facts

    Basic rights all cellphone customers should have

    !: the right to use a purchased Phone with any provider
    (keep the discount on the phone, just change the provider software)

    2: The right to sign without/or with a contract (Monthly like a home phone)
    (keep the discount on the phone as a premium for this. its a charade anyway)
    should the service suck at any time you just transfer at the end of the month to another who cares

    3: The right to to completely remove cell phone software crap like vcast and I'm sure other providers have likewise tunnels into their phones

    4:The right to use your unused monthly minutes WITHOUT ANY SPECIAL PLAN OR RESTRICTIONS (after all YOU paid for them right?)
    either carry over your unused monthly minutes or subtract the money minutes off the bill, YOU CAN BET THEY WILL CARRY THOSE OVER NO PROB

    Their is no reason why they can't start producing Cell Phone that can be used regardless of provider, this can easily be accomplished by simply upgrading to that provider's internal cellphone software, the technology is their right now!

    JMO
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    Re: Cell phone Industry Lawsuit Needed

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    How many times do I have to say HARDWARE?



    1. They get the phones for a certain rate. They use their contracts as a guaranteed form of income, so they give you the phone cheaper.
    2. The contract is there to prevent that.



    Provider to provider... it all differs. T-Mobile offers T-Mobile web and My Favs, which benefit you! Why get rid of those? Most CDMA phones however have very bulky software that is created by the provider.



    1. Too costly for them to be used "whenever"
    2. You pay for them, but you should have read the contract...
    3. You are charged a flat rate as long as you don't go over. IT'S JUST LIKE SHIPPING A FLAT RATE PACKAGE!!!
    SO SO, CELLPHONE INDUSTRY SPIN YOU COULD DO BETTER! UNFORTUNATELY I JUST CAME FROM TIGER DIRECT WHERE THE RAZOR IS AVAILABLE FOR $109 BRAND NEW STRAIGHT UP, TRY GETTING THAT PRICE OUT YOUR PROVIDER PAYING RETAIL, HELL EVEN WITH A SO CALLED DISCOUNT

    UNFORTUNATELY VERIZON DOESN'T PLAY NICE WITH PHONES BOUGHT ELSEWHERE WONDER WHY?

    CAN YOU SAY CEO COMPENSATION? AND RETIREMENT PACKAGE
    THE CARDS ARE STACKED AGAINST US REGULAR EVERY DAY CELL PHONE CUSTOMERS PERIOD

    TIAF SIR



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