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- 09-16-2003, 08:48 PM #1About DakotaGuest
This was on today's local news.
http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for theur
Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped working for
some of us...
It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
with other (GSM) carriers.
About Dakota
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- 09-16-2003, 08:51 PM #2Scott StephensonGuest
Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas
About Dakota wrote:
> This was on today's local news.
>
> http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
>
> I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
> carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
> incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
> Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
> Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for theur
> Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped working for
> some of us...
>
> It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
> with other (GSM) carriers.
>
> About Dakota
>
They are building an iDen network and will 'roam' the Nextel footprint.
iDen and GSM are not compatible technologies.
- 09-16-2003, 08:51 PM #3Scott StephensonGuest
Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas
About Dakota wrote:
> This was on today's local news.
>
> http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
>
> I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
> carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
> incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
> Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
> Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for theur
> Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped working for
> some of us...
>
> It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
> with other (GSM) carriers.
>
> About Dakota
>
They are building an iDen network and will 'roam' the Nextel footprint.
iDen and GSM are not compatible technologies.
- 09-16-2003, 10:59 PM #4About DakotaGuest
Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas
I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the
GSM is compatible with, but I would guess at least GSM 1800 since it is
advertised that it will work worldwide. There are a few small GSM
carriers that operate in North Dakota (it's actually Minnesota overlap,
but I'm not sure what spectrum licenses they have either).
Thanks for your comment, I needed to clarify my roaming statement.
AD
Scott Stephenson wrote:
> About Dakota wrote:
>
>> This was on today's local news.
>>
>> http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
>>
>> I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
>> carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
>> incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
>> Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
>> Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for
>> theur Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped
>> working for some of us...
>>
>> It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
>> with other (GSM) carriers.
>>
>> About Dakota
>>
> They are building an iDen network and will 'roam' the Nextel footprint.
> iDen and GSM are not compatible technologies.
>
- 09-16-2003, 10:59 PM #5About DakotaGuest
Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas
I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the
GSM is compatible with, but I would guess at least GSM 1800 since it is
advertised that it will work worldwide. There are a few small GSM
carriers that operate in North Dakota (it's actually Minnesota overlap,
but I'm not sure what spectrum licenses they have either).
Thanks for your comment, I needed to clarify my roaming statement.
AD
Scott Stephenson wrote:
> About Dakota wrote:
>
>> This was on today's local news.
>>
>> http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
>>
>> I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
>> carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
>> incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
>> Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
>> Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for
>> theur Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped
>> working for some of us...
>>
>> It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
>> with other (GSM) carriers.
>>
>> About Dakota
>>
> They are building an iDen network and will 'roam' the Nextel footprint.
> iDen and GSM are not compatible technologies.
>
- 09-17-2003, 12:06 AM #6Stanley ClineGuest
Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:59:34 -0500, About Dakota
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
>supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the
The i2000 phones only do GSM900 for international roaming; they do
*not* do GSM1900, used in the US.
-SC
--
Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
....
"Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
- 09-17-2003, 12:06 AM #7Stanley ClineGuest
Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:59:34 -0500, About Dakota
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
>supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the
The i2000 phones only do GSM900 for international roaming; they do
*not* do GSM1900, used in the US.
-SC
--
Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
....
"Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
- 09-17-2003, 08:26 AM #8Thomas T. VeldhouseGuest
Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas
"About Dakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
> supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the
> GSM is compatible with, but I would guess at least GSM 1800 since it is
> advertised that it will work worldwide. There are a few small GSM
> carriers that operate in North Dakota (it's actually Minnesota overlap,
> but I'm not sure what spectrum licenses they have either).
>
> Thanks for your comment, I needed to clarify my roaming statement.
>
Sprint PCS owns licenses in North and South Dakota. They have active towers
along the eastern border following the interstate and throught the Fargo
area (what is that, about 90% of the states population?).
Tom Veldhouse
- 09-17-2003, 08:26 AM #9Thomas T. VeldhouseGuest
Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas
"About Dakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
> supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the
> GSM is compatible with, but I would guess at least GSM 1800 since it is
> advertised that it will work worldwide. There are a few small GSM
> carriers that operate in North Dakota (it's actually Minnesota overlap,
> but I'm not sure what spectrum licenses they have either).
>
> Thanks for your comment, I needed to clarify my roaming statement.
>
Sprint PCS owns licenses in North and South Dakota. They have active towers
along the eastern border following the interstate and throught the Fargo
area (what is that, about 90% of the states population?).
Tom Veldhouse
- 09-17-2003, 08:42 AM #10SterlingGuest
Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas
That's so dumb.. why build an iDEN or a GSM network?
CDMA is the ONLY way to go!
It's also alot easier to deploy in new network construction!
"Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> About Dakota wrote:
> > This was on today's local news.
> >
> > http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
> >
> > I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
> > carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
> > incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
> > Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
> > Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for theur
> > Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped working for
> > some of us...
> >
> > It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
> > with other (GSM) carriers.
> >
> > About Dakota
> >
> They are building an iDen network and will 'roam' the Nextel footprint.
> iDen and GSM are not compatible technologies.
>
- 09-17-2003, 08:42 AM #11SterlingGuest
Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas
That's so dumb.. why build an iDEN or a GSM network?
CDMA is the ONLY way to go!
It's also alot easier to deploy in new network construction!
"Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> About Dakota wrote:
> > This was on today's local news.
> >
> > http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
> >
> > I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
> > carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
> > incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
> > Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
> > Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for theur
> > Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped working for
> > some of us...
> >
> > It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
> > with other (GSM) carriers.
> >
> > About Dakota
> >
> They are building an iDen network and will 'roam' the Nextel footprint.
> iDen and GSM are not compatible technologies.
>
- 09-17-2003, 09:38 AM #12HopperGuest
Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "About Dakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
> > supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the
> > GSM is compatible with, but I would guess at least GSM 1800 since it is
> > advertised that it will work worldwide. There are a few small GSM
> > carriers that operate in North Dakota (it's actually Minnesota overlap,
> > but I'm not sure what spectrum licenses they have either).
> >
> > Thanks for your comment, I needed to clarify my roaming statement.
> >
>
> Sprint PCS owns licenses in North and South Dakota. They have active
towers
> along the eastern border following the interstate and throught the Fargo
> area (what is that, about 90% of the states population?).
>
> Tom Veldhouse
>
South Dakota is in a unique situation with regards to Sprint PCS service.
All the SPCS service in the state is provided by Swiftel, a local telephone
company located in Brookings, SD. Unlike any other SPCS affiliate, Sprint
disaggregated spectrum to Swiftel for its use. In ALL other situations,
Sprint controls the spectrum and merely provides it for affiliate use.
Rather, in South Dakota, this community-owned telco owns the spectrum, the
towers, operates all the SPCS stores in the state. What they do not do is
handle customer service, for the most part, or billing issues.
Refer to this map http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/spcs_map.html to see
the unique situation.
Sprint PCS still controls a significant portion of the spectrum, even in the
BTAs where they have disaggregated some to Swiftel. Using 2000 Census data,
the areas in SD where Sprint PCS provides service have 320,909 people. That
is roughly forty-five percent of the state's population, but less than
twenty-five percent of its area.
Hopper
- 09-17-2003, 09:38 AM #13HopperGuest
Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "About Dakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
> > supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the
> > GSM is compatible with, but I would guess at least GSM 1800 since it is
> > advertised that it will work worldwide. There are a few small GSM
> > carriers that operate in North Dakota (it's actually Minnesota overlap,
> > but I'm not sure what spectrum licenses they have either).
> >
> > Thanks for your comment, I needed to clarify my roaming statement.
> >
>
> Sprint PCS owns licenses in North and South Dakota. They have active
towers
> along the eastern border following the interstate and throught the Fargo
> area (what is that, about 90% of the states population?).
>
> Tom Veldhouse
>
South Dakota is in a unique situation with regards to Sprint PCS service.
All the SPCS service in the state is provided by Swiftel, a local telephone
company located in Brookings, SD. Unlike any other SPCS affiliate, Sprint
disaggregated spectrum to Swiftel for its use. In ALL other situations,
Sprint controls the spectrum and merely provides it for affiliate use.
Rather, in South Dakota, this community-owned telco owns the spectrum, the
towers, operates all the SPCS stores in the state. What they do not do is
handle customer service, for the most part, or billing issues.
Refer to this map http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/spcs_map.html to see
the unique situation.
Sprint PCS still controls a significant portion of the spectrum, even in the
BTAs where they have disaggregated some to Swiftel. Using 2000 Census data,
the areas in SD where Sprint PCS provides service have 320,909 people. That
is roughly forty-five percent of the state's population, but less than
twenty-five percent of its area.
Hopper
- 09-17-2003, 09:58 AM #14HopperGuest
Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas
"About Dakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This was on today's local news.
>
> http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
>
> I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
> carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
> incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
> Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
> Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for theur
> Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped working for
> some of us...
>
> It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
> with other (GSM) carriers.
>
> About Dakota
Extend America may have an ambitious idea, but like many other rural-based
providers, I don't see much future in them. They will be starting only in
Bismark, and perhaps branching out. Despite their bold assertions, I don't
see any future beyond an esoteric market, or roaming revenues from Nextel
national travelers.
The service will not be Nextel-branded. National Nextel customers will have
more advantageous pricing than Extend America. Such trends are readily
illustrated by the small carriers that Verizon uses for extended network
coverage.
For example: Midwest Wireless customers pay more per minute and have less
features per dollar than the Verizon customers who roam in MWW's network.
With Extend America being the only iDEN carrier in the area, why incentive
would they have to offer large amounts of off-peak minutes, national long
distance, or other features? Who competes with them?
Having lived in small towns for years, I've grown highly suspicious of
claims that Local is Better. I get no better service when shopping for goods
here in town than I do ordering online or driving an hour down the
interstate. The prices are higher, the service comparable, selection worse,
and attitudes generally more irritating. Too often local businesses berate
those who shop around with claims of "You're not Supporting Your Community."
To which I reply: you take advantage of the community.
Unfortunately, I'm suspicious of Extend America.
Hopper
- 09-17-2003, 09:58 AM #15HopperGuest
Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas
"About Dakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This was on today's local news.
>
> http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
>
> I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
> carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
> incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
> Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
> Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for theur
> Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped working for
> some of us...
>
> It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
> with other (GSM) carriers.
>
> About Dakota
Extend America may have an ambitious idea, but like many other rural-based
providers, I don't see much future in them. They will be starting only in
Bismark, and perhaps branching out. Despite their bold assertions, I don't
see any future beyond an esoteric market, or roaming revenues from Nextel
national travelers.
The service will not be Nextel-branded. National Nextel customers will have
more advantageous pricing than Extend America. Such trends are readily
illustrated by the small carriers that Verizon uses for extended network
coverage.
For example: Midwest Wireless customers pay more per minute and have less
features per dollar than the Verizon customers who roam in MWW's network.
With Extend America being the only iDEN carrier in the area, why incentive
would they have to offer large amounts of off-peak minutes, national long
distance, or other features? Who competes with them?
Having lived in small towns for years, I've grown highly suspicious of
claims that Local is Better. I get no better service when shopping for goods
here in town than I do ordering online or driving an hour down the
interstate. The prices are higher, the service comparable, selection worse,
and attitudes generally more irritating. Too often local businesses berate
those who shop around with claims of "You're not Supporting Your Community."
To which I reply: you take advantage of the community.
Unfortunately, I'm suspicious of Extend America.
Hopper
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