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  1. #16
    O/Siris
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    Re: wireless web on a vision phone?

    In article <1d7c2ddc.0312100849.1aaf36e6
    @posting.google.com>, [email protected] says...
    > I have got a question.
    >=20
    > Just over a year ago I signed a 2 year deal with PCS and use a Samsung
    > A500 phone and get both 200AT minutes and Free Unlimited Vision on the
    > phone.
    >=20
    > I am having some problems with this phone and may need to change it.
    > That's not my issue though.


    Sorry to hear about the phone anyway.

    >=20
    > I hear that IF I replace my phone with a PPC2003 type, SprintPCS will
    > likely ADD considerable charges, because ALL PPC based phones are
    > treated differently because of their additional capabilities. Web
    > browsing, emailing, file sending receiving etc.


    Yes. I don't know if it qualifies as "considerable=20
    charges." But they're certainly significant. $15/month=20
    more for PocketPC phones using Vision. For whatever it's=20
    worth, that *includes* PictureMail for the G1000.

    >=20
    > Last I heard the Palm based phones were NOT hit with these sort of
    > extra charges... IS this still the situation if I buy a new phone wuch
    > as either say a Treo 600 or a Samsung i500?
    >=20
    > Thanks
    >=20


    Yes, Palms still get charged as if they were "regular"=20
    phones. As I understand it, that's because the included=20
    browser, the Blazer browser, is a WAP browser, while the=20
    Pocket IE really is a mini-version of a full-fledged=20
    browser. That's literally true, but also, I think,=20
    analogous to why the two PDA architectures are treated as=20
    they are.

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    R=D8=DF
    O/Siris
    I work for SprintPCS
    I *don't* speak for them.



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  2. #17
    O/Siris
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    Re: wireless web on a vision phone?

    In article <1d7c2ddc.0312101518.445185e8
    @posting.google.com>, [email protected] says...
    > >=20
    > > First off, I believe you meant to say 2000 AT minutes ... . As to any
    > > possible additional charges, have you tried calling CS and see what the=

    y
    > > say?
    > >=20
    > > Bob

    >=20
    > Yes correct 2,000 AT minutes.
    >=20
    > Yes I have called several times. Each time the CS people have not got
    > a clue what I am talking about and inevitably put me on hold and I
    > eventually get disconected. Sorry to say but there must be high churn
    > and/or a lack of training amongst the CS staff.
    >=20
    > Eventually this afternoon I managed to get another CS person who again
    > knew nothing about the subject of my question. I had to guide her to
    > the SprintPCS website which specifically says that ALL MS PPC type
    > Vision phones will be subject to a possible $30.00 monthly charge is
    > one uses Vision. CS then told me this meant I could have such a phone
    > and not use the service and escape the charge. I pointed out that this
    > was highly unlikley, so I pushed for further research. Well another 20
    > minutes or so I WAS given the "answer". I am still very unsure this is
    > the "real" answer, but it has certainly "clarified" my worst fears.
    >=20
    > Basically the CS verbally listed ALL the phones which SprintPCS
    > currently SELL which WILL be hit with the $30.00 pm Fee per phone.
    > These include NOT ONLY all the MS type PPC phones But ALL the Palm
    > based phones Samsung i300/i330/i500 Treo 600/300 and many others I
    > didn't write down.
    > Given that all phones are becoming smarter it looks as though my
    > choice of phones for my "Unlimited Vision" part of my contract with
    > PCS is dwindlying fast. If I am to continue with my all I can eat
    > Vision current service which i use on my current A500 (for checking
    > several websites and receiving some text messages etc) when I am away
    > from a desktop.
    >=20
    > Sounds like PCS are continuing to redefine their PAY for Vision
    > services in a hurry even for relatively casual users of the newer
    > ranges of phones.
    >=20


    Oh, Good Lord...

    No wonder you guys come here to ask each other first. It's=20
    this simple: The PocketPC PDA phones pay an extra=20
    $15/month for Vision service. Period. If you get free=20
    Vision (and you're on a 2000 AT min plan, so you do), then=20
    the PocketPC gets charged $15/month. If you're on=20
    something less, paying $15 (or even $10, if you've been=20
    with Vision that long), then you get moved up to $30. Yes,=20
    by the book, *even* on the $10 one. Very often, that $10=20
    package isn't getting swapped, and the system allows us to=20
    get away with that. But we *should* be putting you on the=20
    $30 Vision Professional Pack for PocketPC.

    Palm PDA phones are ***not*** charged the extra $15.

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    R=D8=DF
    O/Siris
    I work for SprintPCS
    I *don't* speak for them.



  3. #18
    John Richards
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    Re: wireless web on a vision phone?

    Matt wrote:
    > how does something like this look
    > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ory=35210&rd=1


    Stupid. By the time you pay the shipping charges you wind up
    paying more than what the cable would have cost you at a local
    Radio Shack.

    --
    John Richards





  4. #19
    Ian
    Guest

    Re: wireless web on a vision phone?

    > No wonder you guys come here to ask each other first. It's
    > this simple: The PocketPC PDA phones pay an extra
    > $15/month for Vision service. Period. If you get free
    > Vision (and you're on a 2000 AT min plan, so you do), then
    > the PocketPC gets charged $15/month. If you're on
    > something less, paying $15 (or even $10, if you've been
    > with Vision that long), then you get moved up to $30. Yes,
    > by the book, *even* on the $10 one. Very often, that $10
    > package isn't getting swapped, and the system allows us to
    > get away with that. But we *should* be putting you on the
    > $30 Vision Professional Pack for PocketPC.
    >
    > Palm PDA phones are ***not*** charged the extra $15.


    Thanks for the additional information.
    What you have given is contrary to the hours of telephone research I
    put in speaking to the CS people. So it scares me what I would finally
    be charged. Right now my deal gives me unlimited Vision
    data/browsing/text messages and IM ALL_IN with my contract. If I
    bought a more sophisicated palm based phone you are saying I would see
    another $15.00 pm charge.... whereas the last CS told me it would be a
    $30.00 pm charge....

    I wish the sprintpcs website would be more detailed.... right now it's
    confusing.



  5. #20
    Mark E. Daniel
    Guest

    Re: wireless web on a vision phone?

    $30 for basically unlimited anything you wanna do bandwith seems like a
    deal.......



  6. #21
    Ian
    Guest

    Re: wireless web on a vision phone?

    > $30 for basically unlimited anything you wanna do bandwith seems like a
    > deal.......



    Mark,

    It all depends on what "unlimited" means.

    When I extended my contract with SprintPCS (joined '97) I agreed to a
    new 2 year contract and the terms included "unlimited" "Vision".
    Now IF I change my A500 (because it is developing faults) and I could
    be facing sudden new monthly charges despite my "unlimited vision"
    contract.

    Another point. I fired up the AOL IM software and sent a couple of
    messages from my phone. After I ended the "vision" session, I was
    surprised to find I received a duplicate of all IM messages I was
    receiving to my desktop, so I had to find a way to specifically close
    out the IM on my phone. I did this and a note came up saying I would
    only be CHARGED for certain types of IM messages. Charged??? Huh? I
    thought I had unlimited Vision, perhaps NOT.

    Basic point is I am unsure

    1) What "Unlimited Vision" means on my contract.
    2) What extras I may have to pay IF I switch phones, but stay under my
    original contract.
    3) What "data" services can and will be charged to me despite my
    unlimited vision contract.

    The CS staffers appear more confused than me and the SprintPCS website
    is downright "economic" in the information it gives. Actually it's
    downright totally missleading.(talking about extra charges ONLY for MS
    PPC type phones(no mention of Palm type phones). Note after research
    CS Staffer insisted that bth PPC AND PALM type phones WILL
    automatically incur a $30.00 pm surcharge period.

    I do not want to appear to be trying to grab something for nothing.
    IF I tried to get out of my contract, SprintPCS would HIT me for early
    termination charges. On the other hand looks like they could load up
    on charges to me during my unlimited vision 2 year contract deal.

    I merely want both sides to stay within the terms of a contract and
    want to know exactly what my choices are on phones and what they mean
    to my pocket.
    It's all as clear as MUD.

    Meantime my "unlimited vision" contract appears to be "limited" and a
    change of phone could have unexpected consequences in terms of extra
    charges and even staying on the same phone could have extra charges.
    So much for the worth of my side of the "contract" with PCS.



  7. #22
    O/Siris
    Guest

    Re: wireless web on a vision phone?

    In article <1d7c2ddc.0312120749.498ab667
    @posting.google.com>, [email protected] says...
    > > $30 for basically unlimited anything you wanna do bandwith seems like a
    > > deal.......

    >=20
    >=20
    > Mark,
    >=20
    > It all depends on what "unlimited" means.


    Insofar as usage using the device's browser, it is=20
    literally what it means. Unlimited. That does not refer=20
    to an unlimited number of *kinds* of uses.

    >=20
    > When I extended my contract with SprintPCS (joined '97) I agreed to a
    > new 2 year contract and the terms included "unlimited" "Vision".
    > Now IF I change my A500 (because it is developing faults) and I could
    > be facing sudden new monthly charges despite my "unlimited vision"
    > contract.


    Actually, if it's a Palm device, there is supposed to be no=20
    change in your Vision charges.

    >=20
    > Another point. I fired up the AOL IM software and sent a couple of
    > messages from my phone. After I ended the "vision" session, I was
    > surprised to find I received a duplicate of all IM messages I was
    > receiving to my desktop, so I had to find a way to specifically close
    > out the IM on my phone. I did this and a note came up saying I would
    > only be CHARGED for certain types of IM messages. Charged??? Huh? I
    > thought I had unlimited Vision, perhaps NOT.


    That's a generic message AOL shows for all carriers. There=20
    is no charge from SPCS for using AIM. Unless you're not on=20
    a Vision pack.

    >=20
    > Basic point is I am unsure=20
    >=20
    > 1) What "Unlimited Vision" means on my contract.


    Unlimited use of the browser on your phone. If it displays=20
    on the device's own display, it's covered.

    > 2) What extras I may have to pay IF I switch phones, but stay under my
    > original contract.


    For a Palm device, none. For a PocketPC, $15-$20 depending=20
    upon your current charges.

    > 3) What "data" services can and will be charged to me despite my
    > unlimited vision contract.


    As long as the phone itself is being used, and is not=20
    simply a conduit for another device, it's all covered. =20
    There are license fees for those downloads we lump under=20
    "Premium Services," but that's it.

    >=20
    > The CS staffers appear more confused than me and the SprintPCS website
    > is downright "economic" in the information it gives. Actually it's
    > downright totally missleading.(talking about extra charges ONLY for MS
    > PPC type phones(no mention of Palm type phones). Note after research
    > CS Staffer insisted that bth PPC AND PALM type phones WILL
    > automatically incur a $30.00 pm surcharge period.


    The website is right, the CSR is wrong. PocketPC devices=20
    incur an additional charge. Palm devices do not.

    >=20
    > I do not want to appear to be trying to grab something for nothing.
    > IF I tried to get out of my contract, SprintPCS would HIT me for early
    > termination charges. On the other hand looks like they could load up
    > on charges to me during my unlimited vision 2 year contract deal.
    >=20
    > I merely want both sides to stay within the terms of a contract and
    > want to know exactly what my choices are on phones and what they mean
    > to my pocket.
    > It's all as clear as MUD.
    >=20
    > Meantime my "unlimited vision" contract appears to be "limited" and a
    > change of phone could have unexpected consequences in terms of extra
    > charges and even staying on the same phone could have extra charges.


    If you're talking about a Palm PDA, nothing has to change.

    --=20
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    R=D8=DF
    O/Siris
    I work for SprintPCS
    I *don't* speak for them.



  8. #23
    David
    Guest

    Re: wireless web on a vision phone?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    O/Siris <[email protected]> wrote:

    > As long as the phone itself is being used, and is not
    > simply a conduit for another device, it's all covered.
    > There are license fees for those downloads we lump under
    > "Premium Services," but that's it.



    That is correct, but if you were told you could use your phone as a
    modem, and even if you were sold a connection kit by a SprintPCS store
    with the phone for that purpose, that is now not allowed.

    > The website is right, the CSR is wrong. PocketPC devices
    > incur an additional charge. Palm devices do not.


    And if anyone else talks about bad information from CSRs, the SprintPCS
    apologists start with the insults and denials.



  9. #24
    O/Siris
    Guest

    Re: wireless web on a vision phone?

    In article <dlandsdowne-1F2923.05041113122003
    @news02.west.earthlink.net>, [email protected]=20
    says...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > O/Siris <[email protected]> wrote:
    >=20
    > > As long as the phone itself is being used, and is not=20
    > > simply a conduit for another device, it's all covered. =20
    > > There are license fees for those downloads we lump under=20
    > > "Premium Services," but that's it.

    >=20
    >=20
    > That is correct, but if you were told you could use your phone as a=20
    > modem, and even if you were sold a connection kit by a SprintPCS store=20
    > with the phone for that purpose, that is now not allowed.


    Actually, it *is* allowed. It's just that we don't provide=20
    tech support on it, and Vision service packs don't cover=20
    that usage. If you're willing to pay a penny per KB, go=20
    for it.

    >=20
    > > The website is right, the CSR is wrong. PocketPC devices=20
    > > incur an additional charge. Palm devices do not.

    >=20
    > And if anyone else talks about bad information from CSRs, the SprintPCS=

    =20
    > apologists start with the insults and denials.
    >=20


    You're lying, again, Phill. It's the invented reasoning=20
    that gets those kinds of responses. Like the claim that=20
    there are "SprintPCS apologists" here. People have done=20
    *nothing* here but relay their own experience. *You*, not=20
    they, have been the ones to dismiss anything that doesn't=20
    support your bigoted anti-SPCS stance. Your deliberate and=20
    malicious distortions of other peoples' posts are a perfect=20
    illustration of that.


    --=20
    -+-
    R=D8=DF
    O/Siris
    I work for SprintPCS
    I *don't* speak for them.



  10. #25
    David
    Guest

    Re: wireless web on a vision phone?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    O/Siris <robjvargas@sprîntpcs.côm> wrote:

    > In article <dlandsdowne-1F2923.05041113122003
    > @news02.west.earthlink.net>, [email protected]
    > says...
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > O/Siris <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > As long as the phone itself is being used, and is not
    > > > simply a conduit for another device, it's all covered.
    > > > There are license fees for those downloads we lump under
    > > > "Premium Services," but that's it.

    > >
    > >
    > > That is correct, but if you were told you could use your phone as a
    > > modem, and even if you were sold a connection kit by a SprintPCS store
    > > with the phone for that purpose, that is now not allowed.

    >
    > Actually, it *is* allowed. It's just that we don't provide
    > tech support on it, and Vision service packs don't cover
    > that usage. If you're willing to pay a penny per KB, go
    > for it.
    >
    > >
    > > > The website is right, the CSR is wrong. PocketPC devices
    > > > incur an additional charge. Palm devices do not.

    > >
    > > And if anyone else talks about bad information from CSRs, the SprintPCS
    > > apologists start with the insults and denials.
    > >

    >
    > You're lying, again,



    Thanks for proving me right.



  11. #26
    Scott Stephenson
    Guest

    Re: wireless web on a vision phone?


    "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...

    >
    > Thanks for proving me right.


    I see The Village Idiot speaks again- Saturday morning cartoons must be
    over.

    He didn't prove a thing. You can't even keep your own thoughts straight, and
    you never answer questions. You give trolls a bad name.





  12. #27
    O/Siris
    Guest

    Re: wireless web on a vision phone?

    In article <dlandsdowne-E4E24E.12592813122003
    @news02.west.earthlink.net>, [email protected]=20
    says...
    > Thanks for proving me right.
    >=20
    >=20


    I didn't call you a single name, Phill, so how did I prove=20
    you right? I described your *actions*, Phill.

    I notice you still haven't shown where T-Mobile honors=20
    holidays in the USA, despite your claim that "all other=20
    carriers" do exactly that. If that how you show yourself=20
    to be a paragon of truth?

    --=20
    -+-
    R=D8=DF
    O/Siris
    I work for SprintPCS
    I *don't* speak for them.



  13. #28
    brianric
    Guest

    Re: wireless web on a vision phone?

    "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > O/Siris <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > As long as the phone itself is being used, and is not
    > > simply a conduit for another device, it's all covered.
    > > There are license fees for those downloads we lump under
    > > "Premium Services," but that's it.

    >
    >
    > That is correct, but if you were told you could use your phone as a
    > modem, and even if you were sold a connection kit by a SprintPCS store
    > with the phone for that purpose, that is now not allowed.
    >
    > > The website is right, the CSR is wrong. PocketPC devices
    > > incur an additional charge. Palm devices do not.

    I use a Treo 600 with Pdanet to access the Internet on my laptop. Is this
    illegal?





  14. #29
    O/Siris
    Guest

    Re: wireless web on a vision phone?

    In article <[email protected]>,=20
    [email protected] says...
    > I use a Treo 600 with Pdanet to access the Internet on my laptop. Is this
    > illegal?
    >=20


    Based on what I of it, yes, it is. Well, not *illegal*,=20
    but certainly leaves you vulnerable to having your=20
    unlimited Vision pack removed.

    --=20
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    R=D8=DF
    O/Siris
    I work for SprintPCS
    I *don't* speak for them.



  15. #30

    Re: wireless web on a vision phone?

    I would say if you kept it to a minimum, they'd probably never say
    anything about it. An old co-worker of mine uses his phone to connect
    his laptop to check his mail and occasionally for a quick terminal
    services session. They've not said anything to him and he's been doing
    it for about 8 months.

    On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 12:06:23 GMT, O/Siris <0sîrîs@sprîntpcs.côm>
    wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    >[email protected] says...
    >> I use a Treo 600 with Pdanet to access the Internet on my laptop. Is this
    >> illegal?
    >>

    >
    >Based on what I of it, yes, it is. Well, not *illegal*,
    >but certainly leaves you vulnerable to having your
    >unlimited Vision pack removed.





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