Just Bought Sanyo MM8300/ Some questions for the experts

Just bought at Walmart the MM8300 for $0 for a 2 year agreement.

Nice phone, reminds me of the SCP5500, though that phone had a 2.1" screen,
not 1.8"

It came with the wide plugged AC adapter not the barrel pin type.

What will I need to connect this to my Laptop and browse the net?

Will I be able to keep the juice going and data to the laptop at the same
time?

Will PDA Net work with this?

Is the cable/ software availble easily?


Lastly, can i make my own custom ringtones?

If so, what program do I use?

Thanks so much!!

Cute phone, smallest i ver had, my son has the PM8200 and I bought my
daughter the new katana..I still have my treo 650 too.

Jeff

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Tell me I'm wrong. PLEASE.

I'm reading that the MM8300 will not support #77 or DUN for letting the
phone be used as a modem.
It went on to say Sprint disabled the feature and refuses to release the
drives.

Is this true about the Sanyo MM8300, that only the PM8200 will?

Please tell me I'm wrong, I will return it I guess if it doesnt do what I
need i to.

Thnx,

Jeff



"Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just bought at Walmart the MM8300 for $0 for a 2 year agreement.
>
> Nice phone, reminds me of the SCP5500, though that phone had a 2.1"
> screen, not 1.8"
>
> It came with the wide plugged AC adapter not the barrel pin type.
>
> What will I need to connect this to my Laptop and browse the net?
>
> Will I be able to keep the juice going and data to the laptop at the same
> time?
>
> Will PDA Net work with this?
>
> Is the cable/ software availble easily?
>
>
> Lastly, can i make my own custom ringtones?
>
> If so, what program do I use?
>
> Thanks so much!!
>
> Cute phone, smallest i ver had, my son has the PM8200 and I bought my
> daughter the new katana..I still have my treo 650 too.
>
> Jeff
>

After reading Timan's posts from April (Should have read them b4 I bought
the mm8300 tonight) I will keep the phone...i like its small form factor.

I will not have any vision on it at all, I will keep Internet on my Palem
treo 650 .

I will also buy a dedicated EVDO card for my laptop with unlimiyted data for
$60 a month.

aggghh

jeff


"Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tell me I'm wrong. PLEASE.
>
> I'm reading that the MM8300 will not support #77 or DUN for letting the
> phone be used as a modem.
> It went on to say Sprint disabled the feature and refuses to release the
> drives.
>
> Is this true about the Sanyo MM8300, that only the PM8200 will?
>
> Please tell me I'm wrong, I will return it I guess if it doesnt do what I
> need i to.
>
> Thnx,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> "Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Just bought at Walmart the MM8300 for $0 for a 2 year agreement.
>>
>> Nice phone, reminds me of the SCP5500, though that phone had a 2.1"
>> screen, not 1.8"
>>
>> It came with the wide plugged AC adapter not the barrel pin type.
>>
>> What will I need to connect this to my Laptop and browse the net?
>>
>> Will I be able to keep the juice going and data to the laptop at the same
>> time?
>>
>> Will PDA Net work with this?
>>
>> Is the cable/ software availble easily?
>>
>>
>> Lastly, can i make my own custom ringtones?
>>
>> If so, what program do I use?
>>
>> Thanks so much!!
>>
>> Cute phone, smallest i ver had, my son has the PM8200 and I bought my
>> daughter the new katana..I still have my treo 650 too.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>
>

It looks like you've pretty much answered your own questions. The 8300
is a bit nicer than the 8200, but if you don't need multimedia and
would prefer to be able to tether your PDA/laptop to the phone for
Internet access, see if you can find an 8200. The two phones are very
similar otherwise (the 8200's a little bit smaller).

Steve


Jeff wrote:
> Just bought at Walmart the MM8300 for $0 for a 2 year agreement.
>
> Nice phone, reminds me of the SCP5500, though that phone had a 2.1" screen,
> not 1.8"
>
> It came with the wide plugged AC adapter not the barrel pin type.
>
> What will I need to connect this to my Laptop and browse the net?
>
> Will I be able to keep the juice going and data to the laptop at the same
> time?
>
> Will PDA Net work with this?
>
> Is the cable/ software availble easily?
>
>
> Lastly, can i make my own custom ringtones?
>
> If so, what program do I use?
>
> Thanks so much!!
>
> Cute phone, smallest i ver had, my son has the PM8200 and I bought my
> daughter the new katana..I still have my treo 650 too.
>
> Jeff

Jeff wrote:
> Tell me I'm wrong. PLEASE.
>
> I'm reading that the MM8300 will not support #77 or DUN for letting
> the phone be used as a modem.
> It went on to say Sprint disabled the feature and refuses to release
> the drives.
>
> Is this true about the Sanyo MM8300, that only the PM8200 will?
>
> Please tell me I'm wrong, I will return it I guess if it doesnt do
> what I need i to.

If you read my first reply to you perhaps you wouldn't have made such a
mistake. Did you think I just made that up?

From 8/7/06 in the "Sany[o] MM7500 EV-DO question" thread I wrote:
=====================
Jeff wrote:
> I gather EVDO or nothing with this phone, right?
>
> Maybe I'l try the mm8300 by sanyo, that is not a EVDO phone and still
> should allow me to surf the net with my laptop for 410/month as i do
> now with my treo 650..right?
>

Nope. The Sanyo 8200 will though. As long as you keep the tethering
light you should be fine.
=====================

Then you went out and bought an 8300 anyway, expecting it to do what you
were explicitly told it could not. Don't know why I bother...


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Mike

Jeff wrote:
> After reading Timan's posts from April (Should have read them b4 I
> bought the mm8300 tonight) I will keep the phone...i like its small
> form factor.
> I will not have any vision on it at all, I will keep Internet on my
> Palem treo 650 .

You could have added it, if on a family plan, to the 8200 for $5-$7.50
(if your Treo is on the same account).

The 8200 is durable (had one survive 10 minutes in a swimming pool--and
it's still in use today, albeit not by me) and works just fine as a
modem. The 8300 is a bit smaller and more for the multimedia crowd (if
yer into that thing on a tiny phone).


>
> I will also buy a dedicated EVDO card for my laptop with unlimiyted
> data for $60 a month.

Between hotspots, hotels with broadband access, and client locations
with 'Net access, I would have a lot of trouble justifying a connection
card (plus data plan) for the few times I don't have access via the
aforementioned methods. After taxes and whatnot that's more than $800
per year. I can practically buy a new laptop each year for that. <g>

Now for the few times I don't have 'Net access I get by with tethering
my Treo (if I'd rather use the laptop than the Treo). As this is mainly
just sending a quick email or viewing a Web page or two the speed of 1x
is not much of an issue.

If and when I upgrade to an EV-DO Treo I'll negotiate with retention to
keep my bill at the same price.

If needed I'll either buy PdaNet to use the 700p for tethering (no PAM
plan needed) or use the hack that disables the "I'm being used as a
modem!" flag. I'm certainly not spending $40-$50 per month for something
I rarely use, on top of the standard Power Vision charge--especially
when I'll be using much more data on the Treo itself (MUCH more).

YMMV.


--
Mike

very thoroughly answered Mike, logical and thorough. I really can't justify
that EVDO card, you're so right.

I still have my Treo, albeit my son is using it now.
I still have an PM 8200 too.

I have 5 phones with Sprint, (family plan) $10 each for phones 3 through 5
( $69 for the first two) I don't know avbout the $5.00 - $7.50)

But my question is this, i was grandfathered in with the $10/ monthe
unlimited plan. for vision.

When I use PDA net with the treo 650...do they know i'm tethering using the
phone as a modem? I use pda net on that too. i will have to check my bill to
see if i am getting hit with the .002 kilobyte thing.

Do i need that hack for the 650?

Any possibility on the mm 8300 of that ever being reverse engineeered to
bring tethering functionality?

Again good logic Milke on the not really being able to justify the EVDo card
at $60/ month.

Now to have my son let me use the treo or pm 8200 when i need it.

by the way, Sprint said the pm8200 does not wotk as phone as a modem.

again thnx, great reply

Jeff

Jeff


"Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Jeff wrote:
>> After reading Timan's posts from April (Should have read them b4 I
>> bought the mm8300 tonight) I will keep the phone...i like its small
>> form factor.
>> I will not have any vision on it at all, I will keep Internet on my
>> Palem treo 650 .
>
> You could have added it, if on a family plan, to the 8200 for $5-$7.50 (if
> your Treo is on the same account).
>
> The 8200 is durable (had one survive 10 minutes in a swimming pool--and
> it's still in use today, albeit not by me) and works just fine as a modem.
> The 8300 is a bit smaller and more for the multimedia crowd (if yer into
> that thing on a tiny phone).
>
>
>>
>> I will also buy a dedicated EVDO card for my laptop with unlimiyted
>> data for $60 a month.
>
> Between hotspots, hotels with broadband access, and client locations with
> 'Net access, I would have a lot of trouble justifying a connection card
> (plus data plan) for the few times I don't have access via the
> aforementioned methods. After taxes and whatnot that's more than $800 per
> year. I can practically buy a new laptop each year for that. <g>
>
> Now for the few times I don't have 'Net access I get by with tethering my
> Treo (if I'd rather use the laptop than the Treo). As this is mainly just
> sending a quick email or viewing a Web page or two the speed of 1x is not
> much of an issue.
>
> If and when I upgrade to an EV-DO Treo I'll negotiate with retention to
> keep my bill at the same price.
>
> If needed I'll either buy PdaNet to use the 700p for tethering (no PAM
> plan needed) or use the hack that disables the "I'm being used as a
> modem!" flag. I'm certainly not spending $40-$50 per month for something I
> rarely use, on top of the standard Power Vision charge--especially when
> I'll be using much more data on the Treo itself (MUCH more).
>
> YMMV.
>
>
> --
> Mike
>

Jeff wrote:
> very thoroughly answered Mike, logical and thorough. I really can't
> justify that EVDO card, you're so right.
>
> I still have my Treo, albeit my son is using it now.
> I still have an PM 8200 too.
>
> I have 5 phones with Sprint, (family plan) $10 each for phones 3
> through 5 ( $69 for the first two) I don't know avbout the $5.00 -
> $7.50)
> But my question is this, i was grandfathered in with the $10/ monthe
> unlimited plan. for vision.

I see. That's the same thing I have (except Vision isn't even broken-out
as a separate charge--it's merely included in my plan). I have it on all
my phones, plus the Treo, too (I've had Vision before it's "official"
release date).

My plan also includes Picture Mail and unlimited text messaging. This is
why I'll need to make a deal with retention in order activate an EV-DO
handset without screwing up my account (once they remove your
grandfathered Vision code it *cannot* be put back in place). But I've
heard plenty of reports where retention has added whatever discounts
they could in order to bring the final bill down to where it was with
just Vision.

This is likely the only way I'll go with an EV-DO device, considering
Sprint hasn't upgraded my area to EV-DO yet (granted, I do travel a
lot). I've been a longtime customer with Sprint, consistently spending
$100+ per month, so I suspect they will take care of me. I shall see.


>
> When I use PDA net with the treo 650...do they know i'm tethering
> using the phone as a modem? I use pda net on that too. i will have to
> check my bill to see if i am getting hit with the .002 kilobyte
> thing.

They cannot tell, or aren't bothering anymore (with 1x users). What they
can do is see if you are going *way* over, what Sprint considers,
"normal usage." For a PDA phone like the Treo, at 1x speeds, that's a
pretty high limit as I understand it.

Further, ever since Sprint's Treo 650 firmware upgrade, back in either
June or July of 2005, they specifically enabled the Bluetooth DUN
profile.

The user manual changed at that time too: it now explicitly states how
to use DUN via Bluetooth (but not by cable).

In other words, I wouldn't worry at all about tethering with the 650
(unless you are downloading 24/7). Though I do tether via Bluetooth, I
use PdaNet as well. I find the cable a little faster than Bluetooth.
Doesn't really matter much at 1x speeds, but faster is still faster.

The main point is that my (Sprint 650) manual clearly specifies how to
setup DUN, albeit via Bluetooth.


>
> Do i need that hack for the 650?

No. The 700p *will* inform about tethering, hence the need for the hack
(or PdaNet, which doesn't hack anything: it merely sends data through a
proxy).

Now before Sprint released the Bluetooth DUN profile for the 650, there
was a hack to enable it (as did PdaNet). But with the firmware update
that hack is no longer required. You'll still want PdaNet for
non-Bluetooth tethering however.


>
> Any possibility on the mm 8300 of that ever being reverse engineeered
> to bring tethering functionality?

I *seriously* doubt it. The 8300 is sort of a "transitional" phone. It
was released as Sprint was getting ready to start with the PAM plans.
Sprint demanded the tethering feature be completely disabled, and not
even PdaNet can get around that.

There are basically four types of handsets that Sprint has sold over the
last couple of years (or less):

1.) Older 1x handsets (or PDA phones) that can be tethered without issue
(as long as it is not abused).

2.) Transitional 1x handsets, like the Sanyo 8300 that can't be tethered
at all.

3.) EV-DO handsets that can easily be tethered right out of the box. But
you'll need a PAM plan to do so. PDA phones, like the Treo 700p/700w,
are kind of an exception here as there are ways to get around needing a
PAM plan. (That doesn't mean Sprint won't adapt and figure out a way to
stop it.)

4.) Newer 1x handsets, such as the KATANA, that can tether--at least via
Bluetooth--right out of the box (the KATANA might be the only 1x device
like this). If you go to Sprint's Website, with an *empty* shopping
cart, and try to order the KATANA with a plan, you are not given the
option of adding a PAM plan. This is in conrast to EV-DO handsets that
do offer PAM plans (again, you have to start with an empty shopping
cart).

It would almost seem like, with the KATANA at least, Sprint is once
again "allowing" tethering for 1x devices. This seems very odd,
considering they had Sanyo deliberatly disable the ability to tether on
their "transitional phones.


>
> Again good logic Milke on the not really being able to justify the
> EVDo card at $60/ month.
>
> Now to have my son let me use the treo or pm 8200 when i need it.
>
> by the way, Sprint said the pm8200 does not wotk as phone as a modem.

I had three that worked just fine. However, the last one I had had newer
firmware than the rest. It could be that even newer firmware disables
tethering. I tend to doubt it, as much of what Sprint says is, ahem,
"less than accurate."

That said, I find it odd that the 8200 is back on the Sprint's website,
whereas I don't see the 8300 at all. But even if Sprint did disable it
via a firmware update, there are plenty available through other sources.


>
> again thnx, great reply

No problem.

Good luck.


--
Mike

Tinman wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>>
>> Any possibility on the mm 8300 of that ever being reverse engineeered
>> to bring tethering functionality?
>
> I *seriously* doubt it. The 8300 is sort of a "transitional" phone. It
> was released as Sprint was getting ready to start with the PAM plans.
> Sprint demanded the tethering feature be completely disabled, and not
> even PdaNet can get around that.

Oops, I meant FutureDial and its other over-priced brethren:
http://www.futuredial.com/matrix/Default.aspx

Fill in service provider, manufacturer, and model and you'll see the
8300 won't work in "Internet" mode (tethering for 'Net access). Change
to the 8200 and you'll see that it is supported (ditto for the Sanyo
4930 Vs. 4920).

BTW: I'm not endorsing FutureDial. I find their software overpriced and
buggy. You don't need it to tether with an 8200 either. And
bitpim--which is free--can handle most of the other stuff FutureDial
does (xfer images, etc.).

All you need is the cable, which are inexpensive, and the modem driver
(free).


--
Mike