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  1. #241
    tdstr
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    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM

    SMS wrote:
    > clifto wrote:
    >
    >> "in 37 years as a recording artist, I've created 25+ albums for major
    >> labels, and I've *never once* received a royalty check that didn't show
    >> I owed *them* money." -- Janis Ian, multiple Grammy Award winning
    >> singer/songwriter, performer of at least two multimillion-selling records

    >
    > The artist is lucky to receive 20¢ per CD, on sales of 1,000,000 $15 CDs.
    >
    > See "http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-royalties6.htm".
    >
    > This is beginning to change as big-name artists can cut different types
    > of distribution deals.


    You folks just hit the nail on the head on why I no longer work in the
    music/radio industry. What you may find via Google on this subject
    matter is only about 10-15% of what *really* happens in the industry.

    I pretty much have to now resort to holding back what I can/or will say
    on this subject(NDA!) but I will shed a little bit more light on this
    and then I'm done.

    Let's say a CD costs the consumer $15. You already know that the artist
    is LUCKY to even see 20 cents off each CD sold. So where does the
    majority of the other $14.80 go??? If you guessed marketing, you
    guessed right. Now ask yourself, what is music *marketing* and why does
    it appear to cost a lion's share?

    (I left a hint with my first sentence)

    Ted Novak
    TRA#5512
    IEAS#75




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  2. #242
    Greg Buchner
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    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Randall Ainsworth <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:300120070527134145%[email protected]:
    >
    > > Verizon probably turned 'em down because Apple
    > > wouldn't let them cripple the hardware.
    > >

    >
    > Ding! Give that man a free subscription to Itunes!


    No argument on the Apple front, but from what I've seen, Verizon would
    likely have wanted to cripple the iPhone as much, or maybe more, than
    Apple.

    I'd guess that Verizon would only want the iPhone to work as an iPod if
    the music was bought through and downloaded via Verizon. Same thing
    with transferring pics and such back and forth...

    Greg B.

    --
    Actual e-mail address is gregbuchner and I'm located at gmail.com



  3. #243
    Scott
    Guest

    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM

    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:59:10 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    > wrote in <[email protected]>:
    >
    >>Peter Ross wrote:
    >>
    >>> Jobs said they developed their new phone with, and for, Cingular
    >>> which, he said, is the best carrier with the most subscribers.

    >>
    >>Right, the best carrier according to whom? And now it turns out that
    >>Apple first tried to cut a deal with Verizon, who turned them down.

    >
    > "First" is another of your inventions -- the actual story (rumor)
    > <http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-01-28-verizon-iphone_x.htm>
    > just says Verizon turned Apple down. If true (there is no independent
    > corroboration), that might well mean that Apple approached _both_
    > Cingular and Verizon (hint: that's a common practice, called a
    > "bidding war"); Cingular won the bidding; and Verizon is now trying to
    > put a good face on losing and the likely adverse impact on its market
    > share.
    >



    Or, as those of us in the real would read it, Apple did indeed go to
    Verizon first and were turned away. Of course you wouldn't possibly be
    able to see that through those Cingular-colored glasses you always seem to
    wear.



  4. #244
    Scott
    Guest

    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM

    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:56:47 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    > wrote in <[email protected]>:
    >
    >>Randall Ainsworth wrote:
    >>> In article <[email protected]>, SMS
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Right, the best carrier according to whom? And now it turns out that
    >>>> Apple first tried to cut a deal with Verizon, who turned them down.
    >>>
    >>> Granted, Cingular sucks. Verizon probably turned 'em down because Apple
    >>> wouldn't let them cripple the hardware.

    >>
    >>Yes, Verizon is famous for taking a good phone, and removing
    >>functionality for their own nefarious purposes.
    >>
    >>According to the article, it was other issues that caused Verizon to
    >>turn down the deal, and send Apple to their second choice.

    >
    > According to self-serving spin from Verizon,


    Which has not been refuted by Apple or anyone else in the industry. This
    would take it from 'spin' and put it in the 'real news' category.

    Face it, Novice- you cheerlead for the second choice and not the first
    pick.



  5. #245
    Larry
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    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM

    Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in news:labolide-124DA7.09564929012007
    @news.giganews.com:

    > get yourself her "Live
    > in Paris" DVD. Yow!
    >


    Got it...fantastic music. I'm listening to it now....(c;

    Larry
    --
    Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on who's for dinner.
    Liberty is when the sheep has his own gun.



  6. #246
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in news:labolide-124DA7.09564929012007
    > @news.giganews.com:
    >
    > > get yourself her "Live
    > > in Paris" DVD. Yow!
    > >

    >
    > Got it...fantastic music. I'm listening to it now....(c;
    >
    > Larry


    The Claus Ogerman arrangements were incredible.

    --
    To reply by email, remove the word "space"



  7. #247
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM - GPS ?

    ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.sprintpcs.]
    On 2007-07-18, =?windows-1252?Q?JDa=99=A9?= <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Looking through the spec's, theres no reference to GPS.
    > Isn't GPS *required* by the FCC on all new phones, so to
    > be compatible with new 911 location services?
    >
    > If its not there, how did they get around not including GPS?


    Heh Jack, I figured you wouldn't answer my question about why you continue
    to post here. Coward.

    GPS *or* triangulation is required, as I understand it, and Cingular may use
    triangulation instead of GPS.








  8. #248
    Bill Marriott
    Guest

    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM - GPS ?

    There is a difference between the GPS that can be used to control one of
    those magic map and routing systems versus the locator technology mandated
    by E911. I'm not sure about the tech details, but my Treo 700p has a little
    crosshair icon on all the time and is compatible with Sprint's "family
    locator" feature, yet I can't use the TeleNav feature without the purchase
    of additional hardware.

    > Looking through the spec's, theres no reference to GPS.
    > Isn't GPS *required* by the FCC on all new phones, so to
    > be compatible with new 911 location services?
    >
    > If its not there, how did they get around not including GPS?
    >






  9. #249
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM - GPS ?

    At 18 Jul 2007 10:03:12 -0400 JDa™© wrote:

    > Looking through the spec's, theres no reference to GPS.
    > Isn't GPS *required* by the FCC on all new phones, so to
    > be compatible with new 911 location services?


    No- SOME way to locate the phone if it calls 911 is required, but it
    doesn't have to have a "GPS." AT&T and other GSM carriers use a tower-
    location system (a sort of advanced version of triangulation.)

    This means AT&T knows where the phone is, but the phone doesn't. A few
    GSM phones have actual satellite GPS modules built in (HP 6915, Nokia N95)
    but the iPhone isn't one of them.

    While CDMA carriers (like Sprint annd Verizon) use a GPS-based system
    with a bit more accuracy, theirs is also network dependant- their phones
    don't know where they are either, unless you pay to receive that
    information from the carrier.



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    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com




  10. #250
    none
    Guest

    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM - GPS ?

    JDa© <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Looking through the spec's, theres no reference to GPS.
    > Isn't GPS *required* by the FCC on all new phones, so to
    > be compatible with new 911 location services?
    >
    > If its not there, how did they get around not including GPS?


    Triangulation

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation



  11. #251
    Tinman
    Guest

    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM - GPS ?

    "Bill Marriott" wrote:
    > There is a difference between the GPS that can be used to control one of
    > those magic map and routing systems versus the locator technology mandated
    > by E911. I'm not sure about the tech details, but my Treo 700p has a
    > little crosshair icon on all the time and is compatible with Sprint's
    > "family locator" feature, yet I can't use the TeleNav feature without the
    > purchase of additional hardware.
    >


    Yep, same with my 650. Weird that--at least in my tests--the family locator
    service seems to be about as accurate as my dedicated GPS. Granted I haven't
    done much testing other than while stationary, but I recently did a test
    within my house. After I turned off street-lock on my GPS it showed its
    location roughly on the property line with my neighbor, if not over in the
    neighbor's yard (hard to tell with just a map). With family locator I could
    see each of my Sprint phones and they appeared almost exactly where they
    were positioned inside the house, including mine which was sitting right
    next to the GPS.

    Moreover, with family locator my Treo 650 doesn't seem any less accurate
    than the Katanas that are also on my plan. Yet TeleNav supports the
    standalone Katanas but not the Treo. Seems odd since if I had to buy a
    separate GPS for my Treo I would probably buy some sort of onboard mapping
    software that didn't require cell service to work.


    --
    Mike





  12. #252
    Carl
    Guest

    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM - GPS ?

    Steve Sobol wrote:
    > ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.sprintpcs.]
    > On 2007-07-18, =?windows-1252?Q?JDa=99=A9?= <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Looking through the spec's, theres no reference to GPS.
    >> Isn't GPS *required* by the FCC on all new phones, so to
    >> be compatible with new 911 location services?
    >>
    >> If its not there, how did they get around not including GPS?

    >
    > >

    > GPS *or* triangulation is required, as I understand it, and Cingular
    > may use triangulation instead of GPS.


    Huh? This needs explanation. GPS works by triangulation, so I don't
    understand your distinction here.





  13. #253
    Bob F.
    Guest

    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM - GPS ?


    "none" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > JDa© <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Looking through the spec's, theres no reference to GPS.
    >> Isn't GPS *required* by the FCC on all new phones, so to
    >> be compatible with new 911 location services?
    >>
    >> If its not there, how did they get around not including GPS?

    >
    > Triangulation
    >
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation


    Actually, the method used is trilateration. Triangulation measures angles
    and trilateration measures time delay (distance).

    Bob F.





  14. #254
    none
    Guest

    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM - GPS ?

    "Bob F." <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > Triangulation
    > >
    > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation

    >
    > Actually, the method used is trilateration. Triangulation measures angles
    > and trilateration measures time delay (distance).
    >
    > Bob F.


    ah! thanks for the new word... and meaning.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateration



  15. #255
    none
    Guest

    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM - GPS ?

    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > Looking through the spec's, theres no reference to GPS.
    > > Isn't GPS *required* by the FCC on all new phones, so to
    > > be compatible with new 911 location services?

    >
    > No- SOME way to locate the phone if it calls 911 is required, but it
    > doesn't have to have a "GPS." AT&T and other GSM carriers use a tower-
    > location system (a sort of advanced version of triangulation.)
    >
    > This means AT&T knows where the phone is, but the phone doesn't. A few
    > GSM phones have actual satellite GPS modules built in (HP 6915, Nokia N95)
    > but the iPhone isn't one of them.
    >
    > While CDMA carriers (like Sprint annd Verizon) use a GPS-based system
    > with a bit more accuracy, theirs is also network dependant- their phones
    > don't know where they are either, unless you pay to receive that
    > information from the carrier.


    how it works is here:

    http://people.howstuffworks.com/9-1-13.htm



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