Does this new cable permit PDA to use Sprint phone as modem?

I've got one and so far I can't get a connection. I get a PPP timeout
message. The tech guy at SupplyNet said he had 3 people yesterday
with the same problem.

He had to escalate it to his boss for an RMA, and he was much less
willing to admit they were having issues with multiple customers. He
told me to remove Avantgo.

Since wirelessly synching Avantgo was the entire point of me buying
the cable, that wasn't a good answer.

I feel a credit card dispute coming on.

On 21 Oct 2003 06:48:41 -0700, [email protected]
(EJBleendreeble) wrote:

>I asked this question before, but the cable in question has only just
>been released and cleared back-orders.
>
>Will the cable found on SupplyNet's site at
>http://www.thesupplynet.com/productD...fm?prodID=7006 permit the
>Sanyo 4900 to be used as a modem with the Tungsten PDAs? If so, how?
>Where's the USB driver? Anyone bought one? Any details?
>
>E.J. Bleendreeble
>http://www.casualsailor.com

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Rob, you are correct, over 20MB a month will trigger them to look at the
account. They will then look to see how many apps, ringers etc. that you
purchased and look at the type of device. PDA phones and aircards are
exempted right away. For example, if you have a Sanyo 4900 and downloaded
200MB and have no purchases, you are definitly using the phone with another
device and will get a nastygram.
"O/Siris" <robjvargas@sprîntpcs.côm> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> No, Sprint needs to figure out another yardstick for abuse than bandwidth.
Or they at least need
> to exempt Palm/Pocket PC users from scrunity.
>

No, amount of use is only the trigger to attention. Not the final criterion
of
abuse.

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O/Siris
I work for SprintPCS
I *don't* speak for them.

That's the misconception you all have, #777 is not a number you dial, it's
the code that tells the phone to make a 1x IP call either simpleIP with
Verizon or Mobile IP with Sprint. [simple IP uses an authentication server
and gateway at every switch, where mobile IP uses centralized authentication
and gateways, which allows you to keep a data session and IP address between
switches]
Sprint does not monitor any of your data, only the amount you download.
About the highest bandwidth that can be utilized with only the phone browser
is ~500k per hour on average, mixed downloading apps, ringers and surfing
with the phone browser. So you would have to sit on your phone for 40 hours
before you are even looked at. Again, the factors are over 20MB-type of
device-number of purchases from Sprint through vision. BTW average web
surfing through a normal computer is ~1MB an hour, so with moderate usage,
you won't get flagged. It's the downloaders who are ruining it for everyone.
"Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer" <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
>
> >That is going farther than what the Net Mgmt folks are willing to say.
Hea=
> >vy usage triggers a look into the kind of usage. They analyze from
there, and=
> > if they determine you're using your phone as a modem, then you lose the
Vision
> >pack on your plan. There *are* allowances for PDA usage. That's part of
t=
> >he=20
> >reason the PocketPC PDA's pay a premium for Vision service packs.
>
> Yikes. There seem to be various privacy "concerns" with Sprint that have
been brought to light as of
> late. This type of monitoring seems a little sketchy, but i'm sure it's
written into the contract that
> they can do it.
>
> I'll assume that they cannot take Vision away from his plan unless they
can PROVE it was done via a cable.
> If he buys something expensive that only works on SPCS, pays the fees for
Vision, and signs a contract
> .. there would seem to be some liability for just yanking Vision with no
other evidence than bandwidth
> usage. That's an actual financial damage to the customer.
>
> Again, I hope that they can "determine" phone modem usage in ways other
than raw bandwidth usage and
> watching all of the data (some which might be personal) go back and forth
on the account. With Telnet,
> you would be able to capture the passwords fairly easily. Again I say ...
yikes.
>
> Please tell me that these "determiners" are not the same people telling
others to take the battery out of
> the Treo's. If so, we're all in trouble.
>
> Wouldn't it make more sense to get rid of #777 than going Big Brother on
the customers, who are already
> showing signs of concerns with giving Spring their business if we are to
believe the latest subsciber
> numbers.
>

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> Yikes. There seem to be various privacy "concerns" with Sprint that have=
been brought to light as of=20
> late. This type of monitoring seems a little sketchy, but i'm sure it's =
written into the contract that=20
> they can do it.
>=20

I don't think that's true. Just like you don't have to know what,=20
exactly, is being done to recognize a TCP vs UDP packet, it's possible=20
to analyze what kind of usage you're engaged in without looking at the=20
actual tasks conducted.

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O/Siris
I work for SprintPCS
I *don't* speak for them.

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> Again, I hope that they can "determine" phone modem usage in ways other t=
han raw bandwidth usage
>=20

I already said they do. Usage is only the criterion that results in a=20
look into it. It's one of several different ways they look into it.

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O/Siris
I work for SprintPCS
I *don't* speak for them.

I would imagine that the definition of who is "abusing" a previously
advertised feature of Vision must be specifically calculated by
Sprint. And it must be at such a level that they are better of
without that customer than with them "abusing" Vision.

I say that because I sort of laugh at this "the customer loses their
Vision pack" philosophy. Because the day Sprint takes my Vision pack
is the day they lose a 4 year $125 / month credit card paying
customer.

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:10:02 GMT, O/Siris <robjvargas@sprîntpcs.côm>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Nomen
>[email protected] says...
>> Does Sprint look at my data and stare at what I do all day? How will they weed me out from the
>> people who use the Data Cable? I don't like the thought of being watched all day, I just want to
>> be left alone to use my PDA handset and Vision service. If they contact me, how do I prove that
>> i'm not using a cable. I'm sure I use more than 98% of other Vision users, but I bought tons of
>> software to do so ... because I actually use it.
>>
>
>That is going farther than what the Net Mgmt folks are willing to say. Heavy
>usage triggers a look into the kind of usage. They analyze from there, and if
>they determine you're using your phone as a modem, then you lose the Vision
>pack on your plan.

>This is not an issue of "highest bandwidth" or what the maximum capability of a high-end handset is.
>More pertinent is average bandwidth use. The average HTML web page is only about 20K, less so for a WAP version. People
>spend
>time perusing a web page after they download it. So if you look at the average of thousands of web users, 500K per hour is
>probably a reasonable figure.


The average webpage is about 100k (with graphics, etc). Smartphones can access most any webpage.

That's 5 web pages an hour limit, or it's abuse???

Some of my emails are 2 to 3 megs in size. Each.

Maybe if you take the usage and divide it by every hour in the month (including sleeping) you will get 500k/hour, but there
are at least 100 individual hours per month in which I easily eclipse that. Sometimes by a magnitute of 10-20 times that.
Right on the handset. And many people who use smartphones have the same bandwidth profile. I think they would laugh at
the "500k max" suggestion.

I'm not sure about camera-phone users. They probably use more than simple WAP phones too.

>About the highest bandwidth that can be utilized with only the phone browser
>is ~500k per hour on average, mixed downloading apps, ringers and surfing
>with the phone browser.

To say you are wrong would be an understatement.

With proxy-less Eudora web, I can pull 100K web pages in about 30. This means I could do 500K in what ...
two and a half minutes.

500K is the highest bandwidth that can be utilized in an hour??????

Not even.

Not to mention you can received JPG, PPT, DOC, BMP, etc attachments with some third part email apps.

I have downloaded 5Mb worth of email, right to the handset, in about 20 minutes. That is 10x your 500K
estimate right there, in 1/3rd the time.

You are grossly underestimating the capabilities of some of the higher-end handsets, especially smart
phones.

>About the highest bandwidth that can be utilized with only the phone browser
>is ~500k per hour on average, mixed downloading apps, ringers and surfing
>with the phone browser.

To say you are wrong would be an understatement.

With proxy-less Eudora web, I can pull 100K web pages in about 30. This means I could do 500K in what ...
two and a half minutes.

500K is the highest bandwidth that can be utilized in an hour??????

Not even.

Not to mention you can received JPG, PPT, DOC, BMP, etc attachments with some third part email apps.

I have downloaded 5Mb worth of email, right to the handset, in about 20 minutes. That is 10x your 500K
estimate right there, in 1/3rd the time.

You are grossly underestimating the capabilities of some of the higher-end handsets, especially smart
phones.

futureworlds wrote:
>> About the highest bandwidth that can be utilized with only the phone browser
>> is ~500k per hour on average, mixed downloading apps, ringers and surfing
>> with the phone browser.
>
> To say you are wrong would be an understatement.
>
> With proxy-less Eudora web, I can pull 100K web pages in about 30. This means I could do 500K in what ...
> two and a half minutes.
>
> 500K is the highest bandwidth that can be utilized in an hour??????
>
> Not even.
>
> Not to mention you can received JPG, PPT, DOC, BMP, etc attachments with some third part email apps.
>
> I have downloaded 5Mb worth of email, right to the handset, in about 20 minutes. That is 10x your 500K
> estimate right there, in 1/3rd the time.
>
> You are grossly underestimating the capabilities of some of the higher-end handsets, especially smart
> phones.

This is not an issue of "highest bandwidth" or what the maximum capability of a high-end handset is.
More pertinent is average bandwidth use. The average HTML web page is only about 20K, less so for a WAP version. People spend
time perusing a web page after they download it. So if you look at the average of thousands of web users, 500K per hour is
probably a reasonable figure.

--
John Richards

>About the highest bandwidth that can be utilized with only the phone browser
>is ~500k per hour on average, mixed downloading apps, ringers and surfing
>with the phone browser.

To say you are wrong would be an understatement.

With proxy-less Eudora web, I can pull 100K web pages in about 30. This means I could do 500K in what ... two and a half
minutes.

500K is the highest bandwidth that can be utilized in an hour??????

Not even.

Not to mention you can received JPG, PPT, DOC, BMP, etc attachments with some third part email apps.

I have downloaded 5Mb worth of email, right to the handset, in about 20 minutes. That is 10x your 500K estimate right
there, in 1/3rd the time.

You are grossly underestimating the capabilities of some of the higher-end handsets, especially smart phones.

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> I'm not sure about camera-phone users. They probably use more than simpl=
e WAP phones too.
>=20
>=20

A photo, generally, takes something on the order or 20 seconds to upload. =
If=20
you were to fill up the camera's memory, then upload all pictures, and do t=
hat=20
repeatedly, you could probably succeed in going over that usage. But it's =
very=20
unlikely.

With PDA phones, it doesn't appear that the guidelines are nearly as strict=
.. =20
Besides, aside from some recent information about the Treo 600, use of thes=
e=20
devices as modems doesn't seem to be very widespread.

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O/Siris
I work for SprintPCS
I *don't* speak for them.