nokia n95 GPS gprs o2 myth?

Hello

O2 have confused me and seem dead intent on me choosing a different
handset than nokia n95.


My assumptions of nokia n95's GPS were as follows;


Download maps via PC and put them on memory card - this saves GPRS
usage.

Subscribe to nokias turn by turn.

Disable "network" access in maps so that it cannot use GPRS to update
maps.

Therefore turn by turn route directions are free.


However, o2 guy told me I was wrong and that turn by turn instructions
will cost around £8 gprs useage for a round trip of 80 miles.

Is he having a laugh? He said this is because the phone will
constantly update the maps.


Does the route planner require gprs?

please somebody clear this

thanks

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"Darren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Hello

O2 have confused me and seem dead intent on me choosing a different
handset than nokia n95.


My assumptions of nokia n95's GPS were as follows;


Download maps via PC and put them on memory card - this saves GPRS
usage.

Subscribe to nokias turn by turn.

Disable "network" access in maps so that it cannot use GPRS to update
maps.

Therefore turn by turn route directions are free.


However, o2 guy told me I was wrong and that turn by turn instructions
will cost around £8 gprs useage for a round trip of 80 miles.

Is he having a laugh? He said this is because the phone will
constantly update the maps.


Does the route planner require gprs?

please somebody clear this

thanks



He is a plonker who deserves the sack !!!!!
Nokia Maps will NOT use GPRS to access the Map data or Nav data if you have
set it Not to.

Everything within the N95 can be set not to use GPRS without confirmation

Mine is set up to use Wifi as default (for other useage apart from Maps)
and has never even tried to use

GPRS

Pete

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:54:11 -0700, Darren <[email protected]>
wrote:

>O2 have confused me and seem dead intent on me choosing a different
>handset than nokia n95.

Apart from the battery life, the phone is fine. Battery life problem
is sorted by having a charger at work. I charge it when I listen to
music on it.

>My assumptions of nokia n95's GPS were as follows;
>
>Download maps via PC and put them on memory card - this saves GPRS
>usage.

Nokia provide a free application to do this for you.

>Subscribe to nokias turn by turn.
>
>Disable "network" access in maps so that it cannot use GPRS to update
>maps.

The maps and use of the application and GPS are free. Turn by Turn
directions cost pennies. You don't even need a GPS on your phone to
use Nokia's maps utility, the maps are gratis. You only pay if your
mobile phone operator charge you to use data. If your mobile phone
charge you by the Mb then you're on the wrong price plan or network to
fully enjoy a Nokia n95. I use T-Mobile's Flext 35 + Web'n'Walk. The
Web'n'Walk costs £7.50/mo for unlimited use and I certainly make heavy
use of it, even without using the Maps feature.

>Therefore turn by turn route directions are free.

I just clicked 'purchase' on mine

£47.05 3 year
£40.33 1 year
£5.37 30 day
£4.36 7 day

Why bother trying to steal something that costs 4p a day over three
years? (£47.05/1095 days) Anyway, the licence codes that you get sent
for the maps expire after the duration you purchase. If you want to
steal something worth 4p a day then I imagine that the n95 isn't
chavvy enough for you and you should get a ****ty RAZR with some
uber-fab MTV rapping ringtone so you can listen to it when someone in
'your gang' shoots you because you didn't steal any bubble gum.

>However, o2 guy told me I was wrong and that turn by turn instructions
>will cost around £8 gprs useage for a round trip of 80 miles.

Then you've got a network with crap data charges. FYI the entire UK
map database is about 140Mb, that's if you touch every single part of
the cun'ree. Maps only downloads and sticks in the cache the bits of
the cun'ree you're in or en route to or the bits it needs to get you
there.

>Is he having a laugh? He said this is because the phone will
>constantly update the maps.

Just tell Nokia Maps not to use GPRS data.

>Does the route planner require gprs?

Nope. You can do things like send a text message to someone else who
has the Nokia Maps utility saying "Go for a drink here?" and attach
the location of the watering hole via SMS and it'll show them where
you mean.

>please somebody clear this

Summary: If you've got a naff data pacakage then you might as well
stick with a different phone, in my opinion. Nokia provide a utility
which you run on your pooter to download maps to your memory card to
save doing it on-the-fly.
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On 11 Aug, 12:50, BGN <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:54:11 -0700, Darren <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >O2 have confused me and seem dead intent on me choosing a different
> >handset than nokia n95.
>
> Apart from the battery life, the phone is fine. Battery life problem
> is sorted by having a charger at work. I charge it when I listen to
> music on it.
>
> >My assumptions of nokia n95's GPS were as follows;
>
> >Download maps via PC and put them on memory card - this saves GPRS
> >usage.
>
> Nokia provide a free application to do this for you.
>
> >Subscribe to nokias turn by turn.
>
> >Disable "network" access in maps so that it cannot use GPRS to update
> >maps.
>
> The maps and use of the application and GPS are free. Turn by Turn
> directions cost pennies. You don't even need a GPS on your phone to
> use Nokia's maps utility, the maps are gratis. You only pay if your
> mobile phone operator charge you to use data. If your mobile phone
> charge you by the Mb then you're on the wrong price plan or network to
> fully enjoy a Nokia n95. I use T-Mobile's Flext 35 + Web'n'Walk. The
> Web'n'Walk costs £7.50/mo for unlimited use and I certainly make heavy
> use of it, even without using the Maps feature.


Well T-Mobile is T-Mobile at the end of the day....

£42.50 a month is also more than I want to pay. (I need 500 mins 500
text)

I only really need GPRS for Saturdays/Sundays since I am within Wifi
coverage most of the time.

I am opting to buy the N95 off eBay and use o2's sim-only deals, skimp
on GPRS usage until O2 sort out their data tarriffs, which I'm sure
they will once they get the iPhone for xmas, and essp since generally
they are the more savvy of networks, remember these guys invented free
texts (genie).

o2 sim only 400 mins 1000 texts, £20 plus £16 a month for a n95
(spread over 18 months ), ain't bad considering you're only tied to 30
days.

BGN wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:54:11 -0700, Darren <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> O2 have confused me and seem dead intent on me choosing a different
>> handset than nokia n95.
>
> Apart from the battery life, the phone is fine. Battery life problem
> is sorted by having a charger at work. I charge it when I listen to
> music on it.
>
>> My assumptions of nokia n95's GPS were as follows;
>>
>> Download maps via PC and put them on memory card - this saves GPRS
>> usage.
>
> Nokia provide a free application to do this for you.
>
>> Subscribe to nokias turn by turn.
>>
>> Disable "network" access in maps so that it cannot use GPRS to update
>> maps.
>
> The maps and use of the application and GPS are free. Turn by Turn
> directions cost pennies. You don't even need a GPS on your phone to
> use Nokia's maps utility, the maps are gratis. You only pay if your
> mobile phone operator charge you to use data.

I think you are in danger of confusing the OP there. Once the maps (i.e.
full map of England/Europe/wherever) are downloaded onto the sim card,
if your mobile operator charges you to use data or not is irrelevant
because you will never need to download anything.

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:33:16 +0100, Resident Drunk
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>> Disable "network" access in maps so that it cannot use GPRS to update
>>> maps.
>>
>> The maps and use of the application and GPS are free. Turn by Turn
>> directions cost pennies. You don't even need a GPS on your phone to
>> use Nokia's maps utility, the maps are gratis. You only pay if your
>> mobile phone operator charge you to use data.
>
>I think you are in danger of confusing the OP there. Once the maps (i.e.
>full map of England/Europe/wherever) are downloaded onto the sim card,
>if your mobile operator charges you to use data or not is irrelevant
>because you will never need to download anything.

I think you're in danger of not knowing what you're talking about. The
maps are not downloaded to the SIM card.
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"Darren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Hello

O2 have confused me and seem dead intent on me choosing a different
handset than nokia n95.


My assumptions of nokia n95's GPS were as follows;


Download maps via PC and put them on memory card - this saves GPRS
usage.

Subscribe to nokias turn by turn.

Disable "network" access in maps so that it cannot use GPRS to update
maps.

Therefore turn by turn route directions are free.

Not quite, you download the maps on to the memory card and then this gives
you a fully functioning GPS/Navigation system without any need to use WiFi
or GPRS. However once you load version 12 of the firmware it offers you
assisted GPS which basically means the GPS system uses the mobile network to
give an immediate rough fix of where you are which dramatically shortens the
time to first fix i.e. you GPS locking on to the satellites. This I believe
may involve a small data download from time to time.

To subscribe to the turn by turn voice navigation, you have to pay up front
about £30 for a year or about £45 for 3 years. It is not by GPRS, so you
will not get your subscription voice turn by turn free, you will either pay
for it and have it or not pay for it and not have it.

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:55:35 +0100, "Road_Hog®"
<[email protected]_Hog.com> wrote:

>Disable "network" access in maps so that it cannot use GPRS to update
>maps.
>
>Therefore turn by turn route directions are free.
>
>Not quite, you download the maps on to the memory card and then this gives
>you a fully functioning GPS/Navigation system without any need to use WiFi
>or GPRS. However once you load version 12 of the firmware it offers you
>assisted GPS which basically means the GPS system uses the mobile network to
>give an immediate rough fix of where you are which dramatically shortens the
>time to first fix i.e. you GPS locking on to the satellites. This I believe
>may involve a small data download from time to time.

I'm not sure how it works, but I believe the base stations that you're
connected to just say something like "I'm at these coordinates" and
another says "I'm at these" and then the phone kind of zooms in on the
area and uses it as some kind of basic positioning tool.

Either that or it goes off of the area code, but that wouldn't be very
useful as the area would be huuuge.
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Darren wrote:
> My assumptions of nokia n95's GPS were as follows;
>
> Download maps via PC and put them on memory card - this saves GPRS
> usage.
Correct. You need to install Nokia's MapLoader software to do this. It
is not part of PC Suite but a standalone program that is free from
Nokia's website.

Annoyingly, the phone has to be connected, with the memory card in it
when you do the download. I used the USB cable but Bluetooth might work.

I was hoping to download to the PC, copy to memory card there and then
insert it into the phone but that isn't allowed.

> Subscribe to nokias turn by turn.
Yep.

> Disable "network" access in maps so that it cannot use GPRS to update
> maps.
Yep.

> Therefore turn by turn route directions are free.
Free from needing any further downloads of maps or data. You still paid
when you subscribed, but that was what you meant, I'm sure.

> However, o2 guy told me I was wrong and that turn by turn instructions
> will cost around £8 gprs useage for a round trip of 80 miles.
>
> Is he having a laugh? He said this is because the phone will
> constantly update the maps.
He's wrong.

> Does the route planner require gprs?
No.

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England
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:38:29 +0100, Bruce Horrocks
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> My assumptions of nokia n95's GPS were as follows;
>>
>> Download maps via PC and put them on memory card - this saves GPRS
>> usage.
>Correct. You need to install Nokia's MapLoader software to do this. It
>is not part of PC Suite but a standalone program that is free from
>Nokia's website.
>
>Annoyingly, the phone has to be connected, with the memory card in it
>when you do the download. I used the USB cable but Bluetooth might work.

Naa, it has to be either by USB or the SD card inserted into the PC.
Neither worked for me on Vista due to Nokia's crap programming. Many
people also had problems with doing it on other versions of Windows
which brings me on to...

>I was hoping to download to the PC, copy to memory card there and then
>insert it into the phone but that isn't allowed.

You can do this behind the scenes while it downloads this and there
are instructions on how to do this on t'interweb.
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