Recargo de 5 dólares mensuales

En el artículo
<[email protected]>,
Joe Versaggi <[email protected]> escribió:

> Bucky escribió:
>> Douglas C. Niedermeyer escribió:
>>
>>> Vi un rastreador de titular en uno de los canales de noticias por cable que Cingular se
> >>going to impose a $5 monthly surcharge to non-GSM phone customers starting
>>> En septiembre.
>>
>> Hijos de puta. Alguien sabe donde puedo firmar para arriba para un teléfono gratuito / con descuento
>> Sin pagar la tasa de activación de $ 36?
>>
>
> Sólo haga lo siguiente:
> - Ir a Sprint PCS en línea (como el que acabo de hacer),
> - Elegir un plan de $ 29.99 Feria y flexible,
> - Van a tener que dejar a UPS en 3 días hábiles. Cuota de $ 36 renunciado.
> - do indepdendent research on the various free and cheap CDMA/AMPS
> Teléfonos. Algunos son malos, algunos son buenos.
> - Olvídese de la portabilidad del número local para que sea sencillo y en el caso de Sprint
> No funciona.
>
> Acabo de recibir un Nokia 6016i. Plan de emergencia fue un Sanyo RL-4930 teléfono de ladrillo.
> Una vez que lo pruebe durante una semana, llame Stinkular, y les digo que
> stick their $39.99 GSM plans up their ass.

Fuera de la sartén al fuego con Sprint.

Sólo utiliza la vena 1900 Mhz (trabaja en el interior tan bien)
Una cobertura mucho más pobres en todo el país
Inferiores Sanyo / teléfonos Samsung
Inferior CDMA (worse voice quality)
Extraña "justo y flexible" del plan. Ir un minuto más de su plan, se
cargo de $ 10.
No hay tal cosa como Rollover Minutes con Sprint
Horrible # 800 de apoyo. De largo los tiempos de espera, CSR en los estrictos límites de manejar el tiempo

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El Mar, 01 de agosto 2006 21:31:22 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> escribió
en <[email protected]>:

> Fuera de la sartén al fuego con Sprint.
>
> Utiliza sólo la inferior 1900 MHz (no funciona tan bien en el interior)

No necesariamente - depende de la ubicación de la torre y otros factores. 1900
penetra en general de pequeñas aberturas (por ejemplo, ventanas) más de 800.

> Mucho más pobre cobertura a nivel nacional

Depende de dónde se encuentre. Es la peor compañía en mi área, pero sé que
de las áreas donde es la mejor compañía.

> Inferior Sanyo / teléfonos Samsung

Los teléfonos Samsung son bastante buenos.

>Inferior CDMA (worse voice quality)

True in some cases, but it's typically comparable to GSM.

> Strange "justo y flexible" del plan. Ir un minuto más de su plan, se
> Cobrará $ 10.

En realidad 5 dólares por 50 minutos adicionales (en esta área por lo menos), que
Creo que es un buen negocio.

> No hay tal cosa como Rollover Minutes con Sprint

O cualquier otra compañía de Cingular, pero justo y flexible es una
alternativa que vale la pena.

> Horrible # 800 de apoyo. De largo los tiempos de espera, CSR en los estrictos límites de manejar el tiempo

Mis experiencias han sido en general bastante bien.

No hay mejor compañía para todo el mundo, y Sprint puede ser una buena opción
para ciertas personas.

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En <[email protected]> artículo,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> Jack Zwick <[email protected]> escribió:
>
>> Inferior Sanyo / teléfonos Samsung
>
> Mi hermano tiene un teléfono de 5 años Samsung tapa de Sprint, que no muestra
> Signo de morir o de otra manera ser inferior.

Exactamente, antes de Sprint insistió en que los hacen más baratos.

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:37:28 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
escribió en <44cfad7d $ 0 $ 96.167 $ [email protected]>:

> Ellos simplemente no les importa si el resto de unos pocos millones de TDMA / AMPS clientes
> Salir.

On the contrary -- "they" (Cingular) want them to upgrade to GSM.

> Incluso afirmó que será un éxito en cuanto a la rotación por
> Su acción.

Lo que "ellos" en realidad se declaró
<http://www.easybourse.com/Website/dynamic/News.php?NewsID=27229>:

La aerolínea de Atlanta parece tener a todos sus clientes en el mismo
la plataforma de facturación, y pasar la mayor parte de sus clientes fuera de la edad
AT & T La tecnología inalámbrica a principios de 2007. La compañía tiene previsto
suspender la antigua red para el año 2008. Cingular adquirió AT & T Wireless
en octubre de 2004.

Mientras que la mejora en la calidad de la red y un mayor enfoque en
atención al cliente ha sido fundamental en la reducción de la tasa de rotación,
es probable que haya un aumento estacional de las cancelaciones en el
tercer trimestre, Richter dijo durante una conferencia telefónica el jueves para
hablar de la empresa resultados del segundo trimestre.

"Eso va a crear cierta presión, pero vamos a tratar de minimizar
que la presión ", dijo." Al final del día, habrá algunos
que no quieren pasar más ".

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Si Sprint había cobertura decente en mi casa, probablemente todavía tienen
them. Their 3G coverage is, as of today, still better.

Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
> Saw a headline crawler on one of the cable news channels that Cingular was
> going to impose a $5 monthly surcharge to non-GSM phone customers starting
> in September.
>
> Doug



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060731/...r_older_phones

I found it first on Phonescoop, which is a good resource for cellular
news-links.

http://www.phonescoop.com/news/

Cingular To Charge Non-GSM Subscribers

Today, 5:03 PM source: Associated Press
"Cingular will soon begin charging subscribers with older phones $5 per
month. In an effort to get subscribers off of older analog and TDMA
handsets, Cingular will begin charging users on the older protocols as
early as September. An FCC ruling declared Cingular and others like
Verizon must continue to provide analog service until 2008...."

This further disincentive is another unpleasant reminder that Cingular
will likely shut down the TDMA network, as soon as they are allowed to
turn off Analog by the FCC
And with a TDMA service shut down, Cingular will also be abandoning
many rural customers who have depended upon AMPS roaming provided by
TDMA/AMPS capable handsets and plans.
When all Cingular customers have a GSM phone, I foresee huge
geographical areas (particularly out west), disappearing from the
Cingular's coverage map.

I suspect many CIngular customers are still using TDMA/AMPS plans
because they would get reduced coverage on GSM, since current GSM
phones are incapable of analog roaming.

Of course, some customers are keeping grandfathered plans for the
price, plan or simplified features.
When the Analog TDMA plans are finally turned off, it will be
interesting to see how many customers switch to another provider.
Either Verizon, or Sprint, and (others?) are going to see a big bump in
activations.
It will be interesting to see how many trimode activations VZW picks
up. That might provide some clues as to the number of people that still
require analog capability.
Any prognostications?

-
Dave

On 1 Aug 2006 16:55:52 -0700, [email protected] wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>When all Cingular customers have a GSM phone, I foresee huge
>geographical areas (particularly out west), disappearing from the
>Cingular's coverage map.

The Cingular coverage map is already limited to GSM coverage.
<http://onlinestorez.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/images/maps/nat_gsm.gif>

>I suspect many CIngular customers are still using TDMA/AMPS plans
>because they would get reduced coverage on GSM, since current GSM
>phones are incapable of analog roaming.

I doubt that. According to figures released by Cingular, the remaining
D-AMPS ("TDMA") customers are low volume callers that don't use their
phones very much (8% of subscribers making only 2% of calls).

> Of course, some customers are keeping grandfathered plans for the
>price, plan or simplified features.

I suspect that's the big factor, given the data above. The problem for
these people is that none of the major carriers really want low revenue
accounts. Their best bets may be prepaid plans.

>When the Analog TDMA plans are finally turned off, it will be
>interesting to see how many customers switch to another provider.
>Either Verizon, or Sprint, and (others?) are going to see a big bump in
>activations.

I doubt that too, for reasons stated above.

>It will be interesting to see how many trimode activations VZW picks
>up. That might provide some clues as to the number of people that still
>require analog capability.

With AMPS going away, there's no real benefit to be had.

>Any prognostications?

Cingular will probably keep most of them.

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Jack Zwick wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> Joe Versaggi <[email protected]> wrote:
> Uses only the inferior 1900 Mhz band (works less well indoors)
> Much poorer coverage nationwide
> Inferior Sanyo/Samsung phones
> Inferior CDMA (worse voice quality)
> Strange "Fair and Flexible" plan. Go 1 minute over your plan, get
> charged $10.
> No such thing as Rollover Minutes with Sprint
> Horrible 800# support. Long hold times, CSRs on strict handle time limits

Nokia CDMA works just fine with 5 of 7 bars about 40 feet in from the
windows of a steel office building. People on the other end said I
sounded as good as land line as slightly better than before with TDMA.

Keep track of your minutes, and peak ends at 7pm, not 9pm.
I had no Rollover with Stinkular.
I need no 800# support other than to set up discounts at start-up.

En el artículo
<Jq%[email protected]>,
Joe Versaggi <[email protected]> escribió:

> Jack Zwick wrote:
> > In article
> > <[email protected]>,
> > Joe Versaggi <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Uses only the inferior 1900 Mhz band (works less well indoors)
> > Much poorer coverage nationwide
>> Inferior Sanyo / teléfonos Samsung
> > Inferior CDMA (worse voice quality)
> > Strange "Fair and Flexible" plan. Go 1 minute over your plan, get
> > charged $10.
> > No such thing as Rollover Minutes with Sprint
> > Horrible 800# support. Long hold times, CSRs on strict handle time limits
>
> Nokia CDMA works just fine with 5 of 7 bars about 40 feet in from the
> windows of a steel office building. People on the other end said I
> sounded as good as land line as slightly better than before with TDMA.
>
> Keep track of your minutes, and peak ends at 7pm, not 9pm.
> I had no Rollover with Stinkular.
> I need no 800# support other than to set up discounts at start-up.

With any Carrier, likely you can't trust the "bars" on the phone any
more. Carriers figured out they got fewer support calls if phones showed
many bars with even the weakest signal.

Kevin K <[email protected]> wrote:
> If Sprint had decent coverage at my home, I would probably still have
> them. Their 3G coverage is, as of today, still better.

My experience with comparing Sprint and Cingular is that they are very
comparable in coverage with the advantage going to Sprint because of their
AMPS roaming ability. There are exceptions though. I get better Cingular
coverage on the top floor with my current client (Cingular 800MHz), but I get
better coverage on the bottom floor with Sprint PCS ... and inside room, I
roam onto Verizon 800Mhz ... on Cingular I get nothing (Go Phone ... there is
a T-Mobile antenna on top of the building, so perhaps it would roam on a
regular plan). In any event, it is nearly a wash. However, in some locations
that I am aware of (like a previous employer), Cingular has a little better
coverage. In all cases, I see that Verizon has better coverage with digital
than either SPrint or Cingular. In short, because I work with a diverse
client base, I am often in trouble areas for all carriers, and Verizon seems
to top the heap with ability to function in trouble areas with Cingular and
Sprint being a near wash.

If it wasn't for the fact that changing plans reinstitutes a new 2-year
contract AND changing ESNs starts your two year timer over to get a discount
on a new phone, I would probably consider Sprint for the future, but these
issues really irk me. Plans and extras with Sprint are pretty good (free long
distance on my home phone for 50 minutes / month and free calls to my home
phone from my cellular phones ... no minutes used).

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John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>It will be interesting to see how many trimode activations VZW picks
>>up. That might provide some clues as to the number of people that still
>>require analog capability.
>
> With AMPS going away, there's no real benefit to be had.
>

For two years AMPS will be around ... by mandate, and I suspect it will be
around much longer in remote areas [where most users are likely to need it].
Since most contracts with a carrier are two-years in length and often phones
are replace every two years, I see absolutely no detriment to signing up with
a tri-mode phone if it is what you are looking for.

>>Any prognostications?
>
> Cingular will probably keep most of them.
>

Most likely, as those people have already shown resistance to change, and thus
an implied brand loyalty.

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In article <[email protected]>, spamfilter0
@navasgroup.com says...
>
> The Cingular coverage map is already limited to GSM coverage.
> <http://onlinestorez.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/images/maps/nat_gsm.gif>
>
Which should carry a warning "Wear high boots when viewing" since it is
still very inaccurate. It reflects TDMA carriers that have NOT finished
their conversion and some that are going CDMA. TX doesn't have anywhere
near that GSM coverage and probably never will.
--
Jud
Dallas TX USA

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:43:40 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<[email protected]> wrote in <[email protected]>:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>It will be interesting to see how many trimode activations VZW picks
>>>up. That might provide some clues as to the number of people that still
>>>require analog capability.
>>
>> With AMPS going away, there's no real benefit to be had.
>
>For two years AMPS will be around ... by mandate,

Actually just 18 months.

>and I suspect it will be
>around much longer in remote areas [where most users are likely to need it].
>...

I think it will go away much faster than you expect. It's expensive to
maintain, and demand is falling.

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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:39:53 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<[email protected]> wrote in <[email protected]>:

>Kevin K <[email protected]> wrote:
>> If Sprint had decent coverage at my home, I would probably still have
>> them. Their 3G coverage is, as of today, still better.
>
>My experience with comparing Sprint and Cingular is that they are very
>comparable in coverage with the advantage going to Sprint because of their
>AMPS roaming ability. There are exceptions though. I get better Cingular
>coverage on the top floor with my current client (Cingular 800MHz), but I get
>better coverage on the bottom floor with Sprint PCS ... and inside room, I
>roam onto Verizon 800Mhz ... on Cingular I get nothing (Go Phone ... there is
>a T-Mobile antenna on top of the building, so perhaps it would roam on a
>regular plan). In any event, it is nearly a wash. However, in some locations
>that I am aware of (like a previous employer), Cingular has a little better
>coverage. In all cases, I see that Verizon has better coverage with digital
>than either SPrint or Cingular. In short, because I work with a diverse
>client base, I am often in trouble areas for all carriers, and Verizon seems
>to top the heap with ability to function in trouble areas with Cingular and
>Sprint being a near wash.

Around here (Tri-Valley part of the San Francisco Bay Area), Cingular
has the best coverage overall, followed by Verizon and T-Mobile, with
Sprint-Nextel last.

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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:03:16 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote
in <[email protected]>:

>With any Carrier, likely you can't trust the "bars" on the phone any
>more. Carriers figured out they got fewer support calls if phones showed
>many bars with even the weakest signal.

There's no evidence of phones have been changed that way.

What is true is that you can't compare bars of signal between different
brands, or even different models of the same brand, because there's no
generally accepted standard for what bars mean.

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