Fox Movie Rentals Coming to iPhone in 2008!

Apple and Fox just sealed a deal to rent movies via iTunes for your
iPod or iPhone. The result...

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071226/apple_mover.html

AP
Apple Trades at $200 for First Time
Wednesday December 26, 6:33 pm ET
By Rachel Metz, AP Business Writer
Apple Shares Trade at $200 for 1st Time, Bolstered by Investor
Confidence in IPod Maker


NEW YORK (AP) -- Shares of Apple Inc. hit the $200 mark for the first
time Wednesday, as investor confidence in the company continued rising
near the end of what has been a strong year for the iPod and computer
maker.

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/exter...D&siteid=yhoof

http://biz.yahoo.com/paidcontent/071...8_id.html?.v=1

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4phun <[email protected]> wrote in
news:a6473d11-a34c-4d8b-832c-73cd1ea14524@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> Apple and Fox just sealed a deal to rent movies via iTunes for your
> iPod or iPhone. The result...
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071226/apple_mover.html
>
> AP
> Apple Trades at $200 for First Time
> Wednesday December 26, 6:33 pm ET
> By Rachel Metz, AP Business Writer
> Apple Shares Trade at $200 for 1st Time, Bolstered by Investor
> Confidence in IPod Maker
>
>
> NEW YORK (AP) -- Shares of Apple Inc. hit the $200 mark for the first
> time Wednesday, as investor confidence in the company continued rising
> near the end of what has been a strong year for the iPod and computer
> maker.
>
> http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/exter...4h/*http://www.
> marketwatch.com/news/story/apple-fox-seal-deal-rent/story.aspx?guid=%7B
> 9CA8CAA7%2DF69E%2D4E8E%2DBE68%2D3FC74CFAFB6C%7D&siteid=yhoof
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/paidcontent/071...8_id.html?.v=1
>
>

Who'd pay money to watch a movie on that crappy little screen? Only an
iDiot.

4phun <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Dec 26, 11:04 pm, CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>> 4phun <[email protected]> wrote
>> innews:a6473d11-a34c-4d8b-832c-73cd1ea14524
@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.c
>> om:
>>
>> > Apple and Fox just sealed a deal to rent movies via iTunes for your
>> > iPod or iPhone. The result...
>>
>> >http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071226/apple_mover.html
>>
>> > AP
>> > Apple Trades at $200 for First Time
>> > Wednesday December 26, 6:33 pm ET
>> > By Rachel Metz, AP Business Writer
>> > Apple Shares Trade at $200 for 1st Time, Bolstered by Investor
>> > Confidence in IPod Maker
>>
>> > NEW YORK (AP) -- Shares of Apple Inc. hit the $200 mark for the
>> > first time Wednesday, as investor confidence in the company
>> > continued rising near the end of what has been a strong year for
>> > the iPod and computer maker.
>>
>> >http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/exter...SIG=12bcuf54h/
*http://ww
>> >w.
>> > marketwatch.com/news/story/apple-fox-seal-deal-rent/story.aspx?
guid=
>> > %7B 9CA8CAA7%2DF69E%2D4E8E%2DBE68%2D3FC74CFAFB6C%7D&siteid=yhoof
>>
>> >http://biz.yahoo.com/paidcontent/071...8_id.html?.v=1
>>
>> Who'd pay money to watch a movie on that crappy little screen? Only
>> an iDiot.
>
> Lets see Al Gore, President Clinton, the Queen of England to name a
> few.

Please show me a quote where any one of the three of them said they want
movie downloads on their iPhone. After all, you say that all three of
them want it.

I rest my case.

> I'm sure millions around the world would be interested in your
> assessment of them.

Wow- the power!

> It has been reported that they all have iPhones
> and love them.

Then my iDiot label would fit.

> BTW the rental movies can be played on a regular HDTV
> and a PC to boot.
>

Then it has no value. What an overhyped pice of crap service.

>
>
>
>
>

4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:a6473d11-a34c-4d8b-832c-
[email protected]:

> Apple and Fox just sealed a deal to rent movies via iTunes for your
> iPod or iPhone. The result...
>
>

WOW! ....And I was just loading up 8 more DivX movies onto the Linux
tablet's 8GB SD card to take with me, today!

I'm impressed!

How in hell are they gonna play movies over EDGE's dialup speed??
Will it have sound, too, or just 4 frames per minute?

Maybe they're not gonna stream it. It shouldn't take over a month to
download a movie on EDGE....(c;

Larry
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CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote in news:Xns9A12D6B4A38C7isheforreal@
216.196.97.136:

> Who'd pay money to watch a movie on that crappy little screen? Only an
> iDiot.
>
>

Same idiot that paid so much for it in the first place....(c;

Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

At 27 Dec 2007 18:44:09 +0000 Larry wrote:

> How in hell are they gonna play movies over EDGE's dialup speed??


They won't- like all DRM'd iPhone media, I assume it'll be purchased
through iTunes and sideloaded from a computer or via WiFi.

> Will it have sound, too, or just 4 frames per minute?


The iPhone and it's 600MHz processor renders media rather well- much better
than my WinMo phone's paltry 200MHz OMAP processor, which tends to choke on
video files that are encoded at 300kbps or higher. The iPhone can do
30fps/500kbps with it's virtual hands tied behind it's virtual back.
Excellent quality for a 4" display. I encode content for my phone at
15fps/220kbps (it can handle a little more, but I use this setting for
compatibility with my older WinCE devices, and, frankly, given the image
lag of a typical phone LCD screen, 15fps is sufficient.)

There's a great little free program called PocketDivx encoder that has
excellent preset encoding profiles for a variety of portables- PPCs, Palms,
Archos PMPs, etc., encodes rather quickly, and supports batch encoding. I
fire it up before every long airplane ride, encode a bunch of kidvids, load
them on my old PocketPCs and keep three kids happy for an entire flight.
I'll dump a few episodes of the BBC's "Coupling" or "Doctor Who," and/or a
good movie like "Hopscotch" with Walter Matthau on my phone and even Dad
has a good flight!

On Dec 27, 4:19 pm, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
> At 27 Dec 2007 18:44:09 +0000 Larry wrote:
>
> > How in hell are they gonna play movies over EDGE's dialup speed??
>
> They won't- like all DRM'd iPhone media, I assume it'll be purchased
> through iTunes and sideloaded from a computer or via WiFi.
>
> > Will it have sound, too, or just 4 frames per minute?
>
> The iPhone and it's 600MHz processor renders media rather well- much better
> than my WinMo phone's paltry 200MHz OMAP processor, which tends to choke on
> video files that are encoded at 300kbps or higher. The iPhone can do
> 30fps/500kbps with it's virtual hands tied behind it's virtual back.
> Excellent quality for a 4" display. I encode content for my phone at
> 15fps/220kbps (it can handle a little more, but I use this setting for
> compatibility with my older WinCE devices, and, frankly, given the image
> lag of a typical phone LCD screen, 15fps is sufficient.)
>
> There's a great little free program called PocketDivx encoder that has
> excellent preset encoding profiles for a variety of portables- PPCs, Palms,
> Archos PMPs, etc., encodes rather quickly, and supports batch encoding. I
> fire it up before every long airplane ride, encode a bunch of kidvids, load
> them on my old PocketPCs and keep three kids happy for an entire flight.
> I'll dump a few episodes of the BBC's "Coupling" or "Doctor Who," and/or a
> good movie like "Hopscotch" with Walter Matthau on my phone and even Dad
> has a good flight!

The Financial Times is reporting that Apple and Twentieth Century Fox
have reached a deal to provide movie rentals on the iTunes Store,
likely to be announced at Macworld. While Disney sells a full line of
films on iTunes and other studios provide catalog titles, this is the
first rental arrangement to date. Movies are expected to be
downloadable for a limited-play window. Equally important, the
agreement is expected to include onboarding of iPod-compatible video
files with Fox DVDs, so that iPod users can load and go when the DVD
is purchased (rather than ripping the DVD into MP4 video).

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> At 27 Dec 2007 18:44:09 +0000 Larry wrote:
>
>> How in hell are they gonna play movies over EDGE's dialup
speed??
>
>
> They won't- like all DRM'd iPhone media, I assume it'll be
purchased
> through iTunes and sideloaded from a computer or via WiFi.
>
>> Will it have sound, too, or just 4 frames per minute?
>
>
> The iPhone and it's 600MHz processor renders media rather well-
much
> better than my WinMo phone's paltry 200MHz OMAP processor,
which tends
> to choke on video files that are encoded at 300kbps or higher.
The
> iPhone can do 30fps/500kbps with it's virtual hands tied behind
it's
> virtual back. Excellent quality for a 4" display. I encode
content
> for my phone at 15fps/220kbps (it can handle a little more, but
I use
> this setting for compatibility with my older WinCE devices,
and,
> frankly, given the image lag of a typical phone LCD screen,
15fps is
> sufficient.)
>
> There's a great little free program called PocketDivx encoder
that has
> excellent preset encoding profiles for a variety of portables-
PPCs,
> Palms, Archos PMPs, etc., encodes rather quickly, and supports
batch
> encoding. I fire it up before every long airplane ride, encode
a
> bunch of kidvids, load them on my old PocketPCs and keep three
kids
> happy for an entire flight. I'll dump a few episodes of the
BBC's
> "Coupling" or "Doctor Who," and/or a good movie like
"Hopscotch" with
> Walter Matthau on my phone and even Dad has a good flight!
>
>
>

I think you missed the point. These movies are supposed to be
either downloading or streaming from some server to iPhoney,
right? That would work over wifi, but ain't gonna happen over
EDGE in SLOW MOTION...(c; Movies over EDGE would look more like
a slide show. Movies over EVDO are BARELY playable in RealVideo
at 320Kbps because streaming needs RELIABLE thruput, not spurts
of speed with unpredictable dead times and highly variable
download rates over a SELLphone circuit.

(Oh, God, this is gonna bring out of the woodwork a whole bunch
of fanbois who get 4Mbps 24/7 over their SELLphones, just watch.)

SELLphone processors, of course, have to deal with being
SELLphones, too. That's gotta be a lot of CPU cycles wasted
while you're trying to watch a movie.

I can see balks caused by my N800 tablet checking email and such
while the movie is playing, so I shut down the BT or wifi link to
put a stop to it. Too many interrupt-driven background projects
spoils the smooth delivery of video/audio to the picture.

For these reasons, I quit using the Orb streamer over EVDO and
just easily load a few things I want to watch from the mainframe
to the 8GB SD card before I leave. Once the net is turned off
and I'm watching something from the External 8GB SD card slot, at
800 pixels wide, it's an incredible movie machine using rplayer,
recently ported to Maemo Linux with its own better codecs for
Divx/Xvid movies. To get such a picture with Stereo sound,
usually MP3 encoded, just eats the 330MHz TI OMAP 2420 CPU. It
will still run apps in background without balking unless the
apps, themselves balk, of course. It's best to shut everything
down you can before starting the movie for best results.

People who have seen them all are amazed at how well the DivX
movies look on the N800 runnin mplayer, which puts it by default
in full screen mode and utilizes all the N800's
buttons....forward/back/pause/play/next/previous/audio
up/down/menu...etc.

mplayer isn't very polished, yet. I did find I can get back to
the desktop by playing a trick on it....press the power/lock
button as if I'm going to lock it, and the desktop appears while
the movie still runs, then click FULL SCREEN to return to the
movie. The codecs it runs destroys the usefulness of the app
picker (lowest button on the front) as it comes out two sizes..
(c; Speed and smooth is much more important....

Thanks for the pointer to PocketDivx encoder. I ran it on a DivX
movie I couldn't play on the tablet to change it, but it crashed.
I sent the log of the crash to the author for his use. I'll play
with it further. The N800 isn't a selection so I chose one of
the big Archos players. I'll figure out what optimum is for the
tablet. Nokia has a converter, too, but it's slow and not very
friendly to the codec mass on my mainframe. It didn't fix some
of the movies that wouldn't play. mplayer fixed a lot of them,
but there are still some I can't play on the tablet. PocketDivx
may be a port to fix that. Again, thanks.

Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> SELLphone processors, of course, have to deal with being
> SELLphones, too. That's gotta be a lot of CPU cycles wasted
> while you're trying to watch a movie.

While your limited experience is with Verizon and Alltel, the rest of
the world doesn't use providers that SELL you your phone features back.

Therefore, we're not talking SELLphones, we're talking cellular phones.

Get away from Alltel, and get into the real world.

Larry wrote:
>
> I think you missed the point. These movies are supposed to be
> either downloading or streaming from some server to iPhoney,

No, Larry, as usual it is you that missed the point. Nobody said the movies
would be streamed directly to the iPhone.

And ferchristsake, you are over 60-years-old. Stop acting like you are
twelve.


--
Mike

"Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

> No, Larry, as usual it is you that missed the point. Nobody said the
> movies would be streamed directly to the iPhone.
>

So the point REALLY is the iphoney ISN'T going to be playing movies, after
all.....unless some miracle happens.

Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

At 28 Dec 2007 17:29:26 +0000 Larry wrote:

> So the point REALLY is the iphoney ISN'T going to be playing movies,
> after all.....unless some miracle happens.

Yeah, the "miracle" of synching.

The movies will load from your computer (or likely also over WiFi, since
Apple enabled iTunes purchasing on the phone directly via WiFi some months
ago.)

Why does this invalidate movies on the iPhone in your mind?

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> At 28 Dec 2007 17:29:26 +0000 Larry wrote:
>
>> So the point REALLY is the iphoney ISN'T going to be playing movies,
>> after all.....unless some miracle happens.
>
> Yeah, the "miracle" of synching.
>
> The movies will load from your computer (or likely also over WiFi,
> since Apple enabled iTunes purchasing on the phone directly via WiFi
> some months ago.)
>
> Why does this invalidate movies on the iPhone in your mind?
>
>

Ah, I see. Thanks.

Can you store the movies on the iPhone so you can play them away from
your hotspot from the iPhone memory? What restrictions on them are there
from this "rental"?

Remember the DivX movies Circuit City sold that would only run 3 days
before self-destruct. Is it like that or you only get to play them once
or the like?

Again, thanks for the information, I couldn't figure out how they were
going to deliver them over EDGE crawling along like a snail on 2G.

Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

At 29 Dec 2007 04:15:31 +0000 Larry wrote:

> Can you store the movies on the iPhone so you can play them away from
> your hotspot from the iPhone memory? What restrictions on them are there
> from this "rental"?


I'm not sure they've hammere
out all of the details, but I assume you can play them without a
connection (but perhaps a connection will be necessary at first to verify
they're still playable) and I assume they'll self-destruct like the reel-to-
reel tape in an episode of Mission: Impossible after x# of plays and/or days.



> Remember the DivX movies Circuit City sold that would only run 3 days
> before self-destruct. Is it like that or you only get to play them once
> or the like?


We'll see- as always, I assume the devil's in the details! ;-)

> Again, thanks for the information, I couldn't figure out how they were
> going to deliver them over EDGE crawling along like a snail on 2G.


What would be cool would be a Microsoft Zune-like subscription for Video.
(MS offers a $15 subscription that lets you download and play virtually any
song in their store for $15/month. The catch is that all the songs
"expire" and refuse to play when you stop paying.) A similar
"subscription" for video would be a neat competitor to cable or satellite,
and a natural extension of the Netflix concept.

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:fl4j9o$3a9$1
@aioe.org:

> What would be cool would be a Microsoft Zune-like subscription for Video.

Naw. What will be cool is when Western Digital comes out with the self-
powered hard drive that plugs into the SD socket on my N800 tablet so I can
take more movies with me than will fit on the 8GB SD that's in there now.

alt.binaries.movies.divx

Ever downloaded any?...........................................liars!

Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?