SAD NEWS - Analyst: Android 'Ain't No iPhone,' Will Fail

"4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Developers have been voicing complaints for months now about the
> Android SDK. Early versions of Android were rife with bugs and
> stability problems. Google recently offered up a more stable and final
> build of the SDK, but it may be too little too late for the first
> batch of phones planned by companies such as HTC. HTC is reported to
> be launching an Android phone sometime in the next couple of weeks.

On the plus side, as the main manufacturer of Windows Mobile-based phones,
HTC has plenty of experience with buggy not-ready-for-release operating
systems! ;-)


> Critics also are taking Google to task over the lack of a clear focus
> for the Android platform. Is it aimed at consumers, prosumers, or
> professionals? Will the horizontal integration of many different
> players create a cohesive experience for users, or one that is
> fractured?

This is the biggest problem with Android or any other Linux-based platform-
while I'm often a critic of Apple's over-controlling approach, the anarchy
of a truely open platform is difficult to get users to rally around. Even
take Larry's Linux-based N800 tablet- for example- I suspect HIS N800 looks
like no one elses'. Every iPhone looks and performs exactly the same,
essentially, except for maybe the order the icons appear in the home screen,
so anyone who sees one knows what to expect. I suspect if Larry convinced
someone to buy an N800 and they bought one, opened it up and booted it up,
they'd see nothing that looked remotely like Larry's "tricked-out" device
he's spent countless hours "building."


> At this point, Google and its partners have a lot to live up to.
> That's part of the problem with announcing something and then working
> on it for a year before it is released to the market. People build all
> sorts of expectations for something as exciting as a new platform
> launch. Google's partner, Apple, is not making things any easier by
> releasing a cohesive iPhone + iTunes + Apps Store ecosystem.

To be fair, Apple didn't launch the Apps store for over a year! For Android
to be successful, first and foremost it has to just plain work- no major
bugs, no sluggishness opening apps, changing display modes, etc. It has to
be Blackberry- (or iPhone-) solid, or it's doomed to be a tinkerer's device
like the hopelessly marginalized OpenMoko project.

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4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:4ae72614-3bb0-400e-a474-
[email protected]:

> Analyst: Android 'Ain't No iPhone,' Will Fail
>

Vic, Vic, Vic. Get your head outa the bubble, boy! If Jobs pisses off
those "unmentionable hedge funds" about one more time, he ain't gonna HAVE
a company to run! He'll WISH he were dead when the investors and their
lawyers get done with him.

Big announcement day, new products, new iTunes box office
bull****.....Stock drops over 4%. Wall Street, hedge funds and investors
are NOT amused. Wavin' a thinner iPod in the air (with a much smaller
battery to make the case thinner we can only assume) didn't impress anyone
but Steve and the fans.....

You'd better not worry about Android and the Google Billionaires and start
worrying about the sub $150 stock price! This dropping 4%/day is killin'
'em!

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AAPL

http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com...s-to-wow-wall-
street/

I'm afraid the "Google deflection" isn't the answer....

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I suspect if Larry convinced
> someone to buy an N800 and they bought one, opened it up and booted it
> up, they'd see nothing that looked remotely like Larry's "tricked-out"
> device he's spent countless hours "building."
>
>

While they may not have as MUCH software installed, all my apps, except
for 3, come from the "Maemo App Store", http://www.maemo.org/

There's so much great software now available that is NOT a kiddie
game/flashlight, the tablets don't have to memory to install it all
unless you do some heavy hacking and trying to run apps from memory
cards, which is doable but slow, of course.

Fortunately, the apps are always available from anywhere on the planet
over the sellphone link or wifi without some kind of accounting bull****
blockers, so you can install, try it out, if you don't use it, you
uninstall it until you need it then simply re-install it any old time
you want. The Application Manager has the complete list of installable
software from every repository you ever visited, right inside the box.
Open Application Manager, press the button to see what software you
don't have installed, click on it and press the INSTALL key...takes but
a few seconds because NO application is over 8-9MB for the most complex,
including the required libraries. As so many apps use the same
libraries, you may only be installing 100-300K of the app itself to make
it run.

My "tricked out" device uses the default "theme", as the glitz doesn't
impress me. Black background is even better if it improves CPU/memory
efficiency.

The greatest Maemo improvement in the last 6 months is that we no longer
have to reflash the operating system, even for massive OS upgrades!
There is an app that will download a whole new OS directly to the
tablet, install it from scratch, kernel and all, then reboot the tablet
to it....without using the USB/PC flashing of the original
N770/N800/N810 under the new Diablo OS version.....totally cool. The OS
even updates itself when the apps update themselves...automatically, if
you like, and I do.

With Diablo, I see a new version of something installed has come out in
the Maemo news. I go check the version number and it's already
installed in my tablet....and I didn't even feel it.....

My Maemo friends I've hooked on the tablet are all now setup this way
with Diablo....

Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Big announcement day, new products, new iTunes box office
> bull****.....Stock drops over 4%. Wall Street, hedge funds and investors
> are NOT amused. Wavin' a thinner iPod in the air (with a much smaller
> battery to make the case thinner we can only assume) didn't impress anyone
> but Steve and the fans.....

the whole market dropped larry, S&P had the biggest drop in 18 months.
apple's drop was related to that, not what was announced today.

David Moyer <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Big announcement day, new products, new iTunes box office
>> bull****.....Stock drops over 4%. Wall Street, hedge funds and
>> investors are NOT amused. Wavin' a thinner iPod in the air (with a
>> much smaller battery to make the case thinner we can only assume)
>> didn't impress anyone but Steve and the fans.....
>
> the whole market dropped larry, S&P had the biggest drop in 18 months.
> apple's drop was related to that, not what was announced today.
>

Market dropped 2%.....AAPL dropped twice that much.

What you say is NOT what the analysts are talking about.....

Nice try, though....(c;

On Sep 9, 4:52*pm, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> "My Maemo friends I've hooked..
>
$till drinking the Linux Kool Aid Larry?.

BTW you still helping those SC preachers $ell their kool aid by fixing
their organs?

I noticed the NY Post had a colossal story today about a famous
Chicago black preacher who engaged in a little interracial adultery,
again and again.

A religious oil man still a member of the church who was cuckolded by
this influential preacher also makes bullets in his garage so I guess
that is where one politician this year got to talking about those
crazy men who cling to their religion and their guns.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09092008...dal_128142.htm

4phun <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Sep 9, 4:52*pm, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "My Maemo friends I've hooked..
>>
> $till drinking the Linux Kool Aid Larry?.
>
> BTW you still helping those SC preachers $ell their kool aid by fixing
> their organs?
>
> I noticed the NY Post had a colossal story today about a famous
> Chicago black preacher who engaged in a little interracial adultery,
> again and again.
>
> A religious oil man still a member of the church who was cuckolded by
> this influential preacher also makes bullets in his garage so I guess
> that is where one politician this year got to talking about those
> crazy men who cling to their religion and their guns.
>
> http://www.nypost.com/seven/09092008..._pastor_in_sex
_
> scandal_128142.htm
>
>

Are you trying to get some sort of a religious rise out of me, an
atheist since 1968?

I fix things, today a 1975 Wurlitzer console with Orbiter III
synthesizer for some Baptists. I fix things and people pay me money.
It works pretty well for all of us.

The only cult that upsets me are Zionists who infect Israel. There's a
good reason for that. They murdered 3 of my friends aboard USS Liberty
GTR-5 deliberately in 1967, for which they will never be forgiven.

http://www.gtr5.com/
It's called anti-semitism only when someone points out genocide
committed by Israel and its Zionists. This defense is indefensible.
Ask any Palestinian whos farm has been cut in half by the Apartheid Wall
the Zionists erected to try to starve them out.

Apartheid is OK in Israel, but not OK in Alabama or South Africa. Ask
yourself why.... Ask the Zionists who run the US Government.

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Market dropped 2%.....AAPL dropped twice that much.
>
> What you say is NOT what the analysts are talking about.....
>
> Nice try, though....(c;

poor larry, still doesn't understand how the market works. apple is far
out performing the market, a day to day stock price doesn't matter.

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> 4phun <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Sep 9, 4:52 pm, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "My Maemo friends I've hooked..
>>>
>> $till drinking the Linux Kool Aid Larry?.
>>
>> BTW you still helping those SC preachers $ell their kool aid by fixing
>> their organs?
>>
>> I noticed the NY Post had a colossal story today about a famous
>> Chicago black preacher who engaged in a little interracial adultery,
>> again and again.
>>
>> A religious oil man still a member of the church who was cuckolded by
>> this influential preacher also makes bullets in his garage so I guess
>> that is where one politician this year got to talking about those
>> crazy men who cling to their religion and their guns.
>>
>> http://www.nypost.com/seven/09092008..._pastor_in_sex
> _
>> scandal_128142.htm
>>
>>
>
> Are you trying to get some sort of a religious rise out of me, an
> atheist since 1968?
>
> I fix things, today a 1975 Wurlitzer console with Orbiter III
> synthesizer for some Baptists. I fix things and people pay me money.
> It works pretty well for all of us.
>
> The only cult that upsets me are Zionists who infect Israel. There's a
> good reason for that. They murdered 3 of my friends aboard USS Liberty
> GTR-5 deliberately in 1967, for which they will never be forgiven.
>
> http://www.gtr5.com/
> It's called anti-semitism only when someone points out genocide
> committed by Israel and its Zionists. This defense is indefensible.
> Ask any Palestinian whos farm has been cut in half by the Apartheid Wall
> the Zionists erected to try to starve them out.
>
> Apartheid is OK in Israel, but not OK in Alabama or South Africa. Ask
> yourself why.... Ask the Zionists who run the US Government.
>
>
I never knew about that incident in spite of srving in the Navy and reserves
for 6 years. After you mentioned it in a much earlier post I did some
research. I am sorry for the loss of your friends. I never had anything like
that, but did meet a guy in the reserves who was on a tin can in a carrier
group and was doing the nightime manuever where the destroyer cuts in front
of the carrier. The can was too slow and got cut in half. half went down, I
think it was the front with all the berthing. The only survivors climbed up
the mast that had gotten snagged on the carrier rigging. I was on a tender
AD-19, also known as building 19.

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "John B. Coarsey, PE" <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> I never knew about that incident in spite of srving in the Navy and
>> reserves for 6 years. After you mentioned it in a much earlier post I
>> did some research. I am sorry for the loss of your friends. I never
>> had anything like that, but did meet a guy in the reserves who was on
>> a tin can in a carrier group and was doing the nightime manuever where
>> the destroyer cuts in front of the carrier. The can was too slow and
>> got cut in half. half went down, I think it was the front with all
>> the berthing. The only survivors climbed up the mast that had gotten
>> snagged on the carrier rigging. I was on a tender AD-19, also known as
>> building 19.
>>
>>
>
> Aha! Another tender sailor! I was aboard USS Everglades AD-24 from
> 1966 to 69 in the Fleet Calibration Lab, an ET1598 cal tech. That's
> where I was when the Israelis kill my friends.
>
> I played the early extension game to get pro pay and had to agree to
> extend my enlistment to get PMEL school at Lowry AFB in Denver. All the
> cal techs did it. I made ET3 in PMEL school, ET2 and ET1 aboard
> Everglades as fast as they'd let me, then transferred to Mine Force
> Support Group Atlantic to build a new qualifications lab to repair and
> cal the test equipment on the mine sweepers here in Charleston.
>
> A friend of mine was an overweight ETCS in 1971 when the Navy needed to
> shed personnel. They refused to let him reenlist so he could retire on
> 20 years cheating him out of his retirement check and benefits, so I
> decided to get out and go to work for the contractors, which I did until
> landing a job in the calibration lab of the Charleston Naval Shipyard's
> primary standards lab in 1981. I left there when the handwriting was on
> the wall that the yard was going to be closed to run my organ service
> business full time in 1988 a GS-11/4. The organ biz, at that time, was
> making more money in 4 hours than GS-11 paid me in 8 so it wasn't too
> painful like many of the screwed shipyard employees dumped on the
> street. I'm still fixing them, but not as agressively in semi-
> retirement, now.
>
> Nice to meet a Yosemite sailor. What was your job aboard? My official
> title was cal tech, but I was also one of the "advanced procurement"
> guys when she needed something the normal channels couldn't provide. I
> could trade 25# of Navy coffee for about anything the shipyard could do
> or the supply center had rat holed away. "You say they need a valve
> that will have to be fabricated for the steam plant? Let me have a
> drawing. I know some guys in the foundry at the yard. I'll take it
> over there and see what can be done." No need for them to wait in
> line...(c;
>
> I wouldn't trade those years for anything.....
>
> I came back to the ship driving a rat patrol jeep from the salvage yard.
> They let us keep the jeep but made me turn in the 50 cal machine gun on
> the mount in the back....(c; We had many things that "didn't exist".
> Why spend all that time fixing a transmitter when I know where 112 brand
> new ones are just sitting in a warehouse that "don't exist".
>
I made FTG3 before I got out. They later changed to just FT but when I was
in (71-73) it was FTG guns, FTM missles, and FTB, ballistic (subs). I made
some friends but have long since lost track of them. I started out ships
company, we had a single 5"-38 gun left on board. While I was on they took
it off and the director and put on 40mm. We were all transferred to R5
repair. I got an eraly out in December '73 and went to college on GI bill
and have been with utlities ever since. Larry, they sunk the old girl for a
reef a couple of years ago. When I found out that got me. Damn, we are just
about first cousins.

"John B. Coarsey, PE" <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I made FTG3 before I got out. They later changed to just FT but when I
> was in (71-73) it was FTG guns, FTM missles, and FTB, ballistic
> (subs). I made some friends but have long since lost track of them. I
> started out ships company, we had a single 5"-38 gun left on board.
> While I was on they took it off and the director and put on 40mm. We
> were all transferred to R5 repair. I got an eraly out in December '73
> and went to college on GI bill and have been with utlities ever since.
> Larry, they sunk the old girl for a reef a couple of years ago. When I
> found out that got me. Damn, we are just about first cousins.
>
>
>
http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/03/0319.htm
I see on Navsource.org it had four 5-38's on it in WW2:

Armament
WWII configuration
four single 5"/38 dual purpose gun mounts
four twin 40mm AA gun mounts
twenty-three single 20mm AA gun mounts

Everglades was started on the yard at the end of the war, then just
abandonded there until Korean War caused a need for more ships. They
finished her in the early 50's. Without Kamakaze dive bombers, she
didn't need much armament.

Her aft gun mount was removed and the really stupid DASH anti sub helo
drone was installed on Glades before I came aboard in 1966. DASH flew
only a few times because every time it did it failed, miserably. We
lost quite a few of them before the project was quietly abandoned.

My cal lab ran off a 110VDC motor-alternator that put out 3 phase 480,
60 Hz that was manually controlled. The old gun mount was DC and had a
GM 6-71 2-stroke diesel generator to power the panel in emergencies if
we lost the boilers. At sea, I ran the 6-71 to power the board and the
board powered the added MG set for AC power to the cal lab because it
was more stable with our steady load than the DC coming off the boilers
and turbines below. She was one of my ancillary duties....many times
the only working AC power on the ship! You could hear our big stereo in
the lab rocking away when the rest of the ship was dead quiet in total
darkness...(c;

The board, conceived in WW2, was black bakelite with screw in fuses and
big knife switches that made impressive arcs when you switched
them....scaring the hell out of anyone visiting the space...(c;

My last "sea tour" was a Friends and Family Cruise aboard USS
Pennsylvania (SSBN-735) out of Kings Bay, GA. A ham radio friend was
the lead radioman on the boat and invited me for the 15 hour cruise. I
made friends with the XO, who introduced me to the captain. He had been
an officer on the sub tender so we struck up a conversation over coffee
in the Pennsylvania's ward room. Mark was jealous. His captain never
invited RM1's into the wardroom for a chat...(c; Back out in the
control room, the captain asked me if I'd like to drive her, a real
priviledge on the boat. The diving officer instructed me and when I sat
down the captain told his yeoman to make a not in the ship's log that a
real destroyerman was at the helm of Pennsylvania. I'm in the log! He
did a 10 degree port turn in my honor. Boomers "fly" about like an
airplane. The controls are very similar to the wheel in an airliner.
Simply amazing. Later in the day we did angles and dangles and were
headed towards the bottom at 35 degrees down bubble. The boat never
made a sound, even to 780 feet, a depth that easily crushed WW2 boats.

That was the finest day of my life aboard Pennsylvania. Very
professional operation in an amazing weapon system. Kim Il Sung died
the day we put to sea on her. I always tell my friends he had a heart
attack when he found out I was sitting at the missile launch
console.....

Everglades was similarly scrapped. She was stripped at Charleston Naval
Shipyard and I got to see my old shop with the bulkheads cut to shreds,
very depressing considering the number of times I had painted them so
carefully to make the admiral happy. I read about the target practice.
It's just as well. Surface ships are all called "targets" by the
bubbleheads...(c; Looking through Pennsylvania's periscope off the
Georgia coast I could easily see their point.

"John B. Coarsey, PE" <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I made FTG3 before I got out. They later changed to just FT but when I
> was in (71-73) it was FTG guns, FTM missles, and FTB, ballistic
> (subs). I made some friends but have long since lost track of them. I
> started out ships company, we had a single 5"-38 gun left on board.
> While I was on they took it off and the director and put on 40mm. We
> were all transferred to R5 repair. I got an eraly out in December '73
> and went to college on GI bill and have been with utlities ever since.
> Larry, they sunk the old girl for a reef a couple of years ago. When I
> found out that got me. Damn, we are just about first cousins.
>
>
>

http://www.ussyosemite.com/

You should join the Yosemite Association. I'm a member of the Everglades
Association. Some of the guy I was aboard with are still around.
Yosemite's 2009 reunion is in Jacksonville, FL. They'll have jackets,
shirts, ballcaps to take home. I proudly wear Everglades gear to any Navy
functions or on Veterans Day here.