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  1. #31
    John Navas
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    Re: Bye-Bye to ATT/Cingular, and hello to Sprint

    On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:53:40 GMT, Jackzwick <[email protected]> wrote
    in <[email protected]>:

    >1900 MHz causes poor indoor reception in many areas


    That's due to tower placement, not frequency.

    >Still the biodegradeable Sprint phones, and 1900 MHz phones run hot,
    >causes the early deaths.


    1900 MHz phones don't run any hotter than phones on other frequencies.

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  2. #32
    John Navas
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    Re: Bye-Bye to ATT/Cingular, and hello to Sprint High-Speed data

    On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 07:00:30 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >In California's metro areas, Sprint coverage is poor (see the January
    >Consumer Reports). This is due to several reasons, including their late
    >entry, and their 1900 MHz spectrum. ...


    The frequency has almost nothing to do with it. The real issue is tower
    siting.

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  3. #33
    John Navas
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    Re: Bye-Bye to ATT/Cingular, and hello to Sprint High-Speed data

    On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:13:03 -0700, RWEmerson
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >SMS wrote:
    >> Michael Paris wrote:
    >>
    >>> Thats fine as long as you stay in North America and never travel,
    >>> otherwise, you will have a Sprint Logo'd paper weight.

    >>
    >> Except for the hundred or so countries, on every continent, that have
    >> CDMA networks.

    >
    >You've got it backwards; you're referring to GSM.....


    What he's doing is deliberately confusing CDMA2000 (what most everyone
    else means by "CDMA") with W-CDMA UMTS (based on GSM infrastructure) in
    an attempt to hide the dark clouds on the horizon for CDMA2000.
    Similarity in names notwithstanding, they are quite different and
    incompatible with each other, and W-CDMA is on the march as compared to
    CDMA2000.

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    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  4. #34
    Scott
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    Re: Bye-Bye to ATT/Cingular, and hello to Sprint High-Speed data

    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:


    >
    > Pure fantasy.
    >



    Prove it, please. There are a large number of countries using CDMA or your
    version of sticking your tongue out at the facts is rather juvenile and
    becoming quite boring. Or is your claim of 'pure fantasy' in reference to
    your wish fr knowledge on the subject?



  5. #35
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Bye-Bye to ATT/Cingular, and hello to Sprint High-Speed data

    Kevin K wrote:

    > I didn't read this that every continent has 100 countries, but that
    > 100 countries are spread over the continents. Though technically
    > Antartica doesn't have ANY countries.


    Yes, my mistake. The point was that CDMA networks are in many countries,
    all around the world, including Asia, Europe, North and South America,
    Africa, and Australia. CDMA market share continues to increase, though
    admittedly one reason is that in Europe and Asia they are starting from
    a very low share.



  6. #36
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Bye-Bye to ATT/Cingular, and hello to Sprint High-Speed data

    On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:33:53 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >Kevin K wrote:
    >
    >> I didn't read this that every continent has 100 countries, but that
    >> 100 countries are spread over the continents. Though technically
    >> Antartica doesn't have ANY countries.

    >
    >Yes, my mistake. The point was that CDMA networks are in many countries,
    >all around the world, including Asia, Europe, North and South America,
    >Africa, and Australia.


    Actually very few, since "CDMA" is generally taken to mean CDMA2000.

    >CDMA market share continues to increase, though
    >admittedly one reason is that in Europe and Asia they are starting from
    >a very low share.


    Only if you deliberately try to confuse CDMA2000 with W-CDMA UMTS, which
    is a completely different animal. On its own, CMDA2000 is in serious
    trouble.

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  7. #37
    Dennis Ferguson
    Guest

    Re: Bye-Bye to ATT/Cingular, and hello to Sprint High-Speed data

    On 2007-01-27, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:13:03 -0700, RWEmerson
    ><[email protected]> wrote in
    ><[email protected]>:
    >
    >>SMS wrote:
    >>> Michael Paris wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Thats fine as long as you stay in North America and never travel,
    >>>> otherwise, you will have a Sprint Logo'd paper weight.
    >>>
    >>> Except for the hundred or so countries, on every continent, that have
    >>> CDMA networks.

    >>
    >>You've got it backwards; you're referring to GSM.....

    >
    > What he's doing is deliberately confusing CDMA2000 (what most everyone
    > else means by "CDMA") with W-CDMA UMTS (based on GSM infrastructure) in
    > an attempt to hide the dark clouds on the horizon for CDMA2000.
    > Similarity in names notwithstanding, they are quite different and
    > incompatible with each other, and W-CDMA is on the march as compared to
    > CDMA2000.


    No, I don't think he's confusing that. If you look at this page

    http://www.cdg.org/technology/produc..._operators.asp

    you'll find a list of 99 "countries" (Hong Kong, Macau, Guam and Saipan
    might be debatable) where CDMA2000 has been or is being deployed. And if
    you look over here

    http://www.cdg.org/technology/produc..._operators.asp

    you'll probably find enough IS-95-only operators to pass 100 (ah, found one:
    Myanmar). So there's a "hundred or so" CDMA2000/IS-95 countries.

    What he isn't mentioning, of course, is that the number of these countries
    you are likely to be able to roam on with your Sprint phone is well under
    half of them. Some of those countries haven't had the service deployed yet
    or are otherwise science fiction. Some are 450 MHz services, which a Sprint
    phone can't roam on. Some, like Australia, you'd better get to quickly
    before they turn it off. Others simply may not have roaming agreements with
    Sprint because CDMA operators are stingy with that. It is only quite
    recently that a Sprint phone would work in South Korea, for example. Verizon
    is worse, they only list 20 CDMA roaming countries and some places where
    I know a Sprint phone works (Hong Kong, Trinidad & Tobago) a Verizon phone
    won't.

    I do agree that if you want phone service that works almost everywhere you
    travel with a GSM phone that also supports 2100 MHz UMTS.

    Dennis Ferguson



  8. #38
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Bye-Bye to ATT/Cingular, and hello to Sprint High-Speed data

    On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:11:41 -0600, Dennis Ferguson
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >On 2007-01-27, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:13:03 -0700, RWEmerson
    >><[email protected]> wrote in
    >><[email protected]>:
    >>
    >>>SMS wrote:
    >>>> Michael Paris wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Thats fine as long as you stay in North America and never travel,
    >>>>> otherwise, you will have a Sprint Logo'd paper weight.
    >>>>
    >>>> Except for the hundred or so countries, on every continent, that have
    >>>> CDMA networks.
    >>>
    >>>You've got it backwards; you're referring to GSM.....

    >>
    >> What he's doing is deliberately confusing CDMA2000 (what most everyone
    >> else means by "CDMA") with W-CDMA UMTS (based on GSM infrastructure) in
    >> an attempt to hide the dark clouds on the horizon for CDMA2000.
    >> Similarity in names notwithstanding, they are quite different and
    >> incompatible with each other, and W-CDMA is on the march as compared to
    >> CDMA2000.

    >
    >No, I don't think he's confusing that. If you look at this page
    >
    > http://www.cdg.org/technology/produc..._operators.asp
    >
    >you'll find a list of 99 "countries" (Hong Kong, Macau, Guam and Saipan
    >might be debatable) where CDMA2000 has been or is being deployed. And if
    >you look over here
    >
    > http://www.cdg.org/technology/produc..._operators.asp
    >
    >you'll probably find enough IS-95-only operators to pass 100 (ah, found one:
    >Myanmar). So there's a "hundred or so" CDMA2000/IS-95 countries.


    Point taken, although I think that's a pretty big stretch -- see below.

    >What he isn't mentioning, of course, is that the number of these countries
    >you are likely to be able to roam on with your Sprint phone is well under
    >half of them. Some of those countries haven't had the service deployed yet
    >or are otherwise science fiction. Some are 450 MHz services, which a Sprint
    >phone can't roam on. Some, like Australia, you'd better get to quickly
    >before they turn it off. Others simply may not have roaming agreements with
    >Sprint because CDMA operators are stingy with that. It is only quite
    >recently that a Sprint phone would work in South Korea, for example. Verizon
    >is worse, they only list 20 CDMA roaming countries and some places where
    >I know a Sprint phone works (Hong Kong, Trinidad & Tobago) a Verizon phone
    >won't.


    The key phrase there is "science fiction". I was referring to
    countries with working CDMA2000 coverage that's relatively complete.

    >I do agree that if you want phone service that works almost everywhere you
    >travel with a GSM phone that also supports 2100 MHz UMTS.


    Yep.

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    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  9. #39
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Bye-Bye to ATT/Cingular, and hello to Sprint High-Speed data

    Dennis Ferguson wrote:
    > Verizon
    > is worse, they only list 20 CDMA roaming countries and some places where
    > I know a Sprint phone works (Hong Kong, Trinidad & Tobago) a Verizon phone
    > won't.


    You can roam on CDMA networks in some countries that aren't listed on
    the Verizon web site. G-d knows how much you'll end up paying per minute.



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