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  1. #1
    4phun
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    WebtopMania

    Saturday, July 19, 2008
    The iPhone 3G is a pocket satellite.

    Ever worked with satellite engineering teams? I have. I had some
    experience in the AOCS (Attitude and Orbit Control Systems) subsystem
    team in the ESA-SSETI program, designing ESEO, a micro-satellite
    designed to take space pictures and do some simple science, while I
    was an undergrad student. Ok, we were all students, and most of us
    were complete noobs at satellite engineering. Most of us remained so
    afterwards. Cool times though.

    Cool thoughts comparing the 3g iPhone's technology to rocket
    science...
    http://webtopmania.blogspot.com/2008...satellite.html


    THE BOTTOM LINE (after a long post about designing reliable
    satellites)

    "I guess Steve Jobs could have made a great satellite engineer.

    But my point IS, we can send an iPhone in space, let it orbit around
    the Earth, and navigate it and make it take cool snapshots of the
    Earth and then upload them to a web-site. Maybe it can be built around
    a light-weight infrastructure with some solar-panels in order to
    extend the batteries longevity. But anyway, sending an iPhone in space
    is FEASIBLE!

    Now for what matters, the iPhone: hype or not?
    I say hell, no! The iphone IS a disruptive gadget. I had tried before
    an HTC P3300. They suck at doing what the iPhone does."



    See More: Comparing the iPhone's technology to rocket science.




  2. #2
    Carl
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    Re: Comparing the iPhone's technology to rocket science.

    4phun wrote:
    > WebtopMania
    >
    > Saturday, July 19, 2008
    > The iPhone 3G is a pocket satellite.
    >
    > Ever worked with satellite engineering teams? I have. I had some
    > experience in the AOCS (Attitude and Orbit Control Systems) subsystem
    > team in the ESA-SSETI program, designing ESEO, a micro-satellite
    > designed to take space pictures and do some simple science, while I
    > was an undergrad student. Ok, we were all students, and most of us
    > were complete noobs at satellite engineering. Most of us remained so
    > afterwards. Cool times though.
    >
    > Cool thoughts comparing the 3g iPhone's technology to rocket
    > science...
    > http://webtopmania.blogspot.com/2008...satellite.html
    >
    >
    > THE BOTTOM LINE (after a long post about designing reliable
    > satellites)
    >
    > "I guess Steve Jobs could have made a great satellite engineer.
    >
    > But my point IS, we can send an iPhone in space, let it orbit around
    > the Earth, and navigate it and make it take cool snapshots of the
    > Earth and then upload them to a web-site. Maybe it can be built around
    > a light-weight infrastructure with some solar-panels in order to
    > extend the batteries longevity. But anyway, sending an iPhone in space
    > is FEASIBLE!
    >
    > Now for what matters, the iPhone: hype or not?
    > I say hell, no! The iphone IS a disruptive gadget. I had tried before
    > an HTC P3300. They suck at doing what the iPhone does."
    >

    Tell me, before you put that iPhone in space (to do what, take pictures?),
    can you please get it to sync my frickin' Outlook calendar here on Earth?





  3. #3
    4phun
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    Re: Comparing the iPhone's technology to rocket science.

    On Jul 28, 9:56*pm, "Carl" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > 4phun wrote:
    > > WebtopMania

    >
    > > Saturday, July 19, 2008
    > > The iPhone 3G is a pocket satellite.

    >
    > > Ever worked with satellite engineering teams? I have. I had some
    > > experience in the AOCS (Attitude and Orbit Control Systems) subsystem
    > > team in the ESA-SSETI program, designing ESEO, a micro-satellite
    > > designed to take space pictures and do some simple science, while I
    > > was an undergrad student. Ok, we were all students, and most of us
    > > were complete noobs at satellite engineering. Most of us remained so
    > > afterwards. Cool times though.

    >
    > > Cool thoughts comparing the 3g iPhone's technology to rocket
    > > science...
    > >http://webtopmania.blogspot.com/2008...cket-satellite...

    >
    > > THE BOTTOM LINE (after a long post about designing reliable
    > > satellites)

    >
    > > "I guess Steve Jobs could have made a great satellite engineer.

    >
    > > But my point IS, we can send an iPhone in space, let it orbit around
    > > the Earth, and navigate it and make it take cool snapshots of the
    > > Earth and then upload them to a web-site. Maybe it can be built around
    > > a light-weight infrastructure with some solar-panels in order to
    > > extend the batteries longevity. But anyway, sending an iPhone in space
    > > is FEASIBLE!

    >
    > > Now for what matters, the iPhone: hype or not?
    > > I say hell, no! The iphone IS a disruptive gadget. I had tried before
    > > an HTC P3300. They suck at doing what the iPhone does."

    >
    > Tell me, before you put that iPhone in space (to do what, take pictures?),
    > can you please get it to sync my frickin' Outlook calendar here on Earth?


    Can't do that Carl.
    That ain't 'rocket science'.

    BTW in the 3G iPhone there is a selection for which calender you want
    to use on the left hand top screen. Is it already synced and you are
    viewing the wrong calendar? I did not know I had more than Outlook
    calendar until I noticed that view setting.




  4. #4
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Comparing the iPhone's technology to rocket science.

    At 28 Jul 2008 15:47:08 -0700 4phun wrote:

    > Now for what matters, the iPhone: hype or not?
    > I say hell, no! The iphone IS a disruptive gadget. I had tried before
    > an HTC P3300. They suck at doing what the iPhone does."



    Perhaps. However, it's real strength is that it also sucks at doing what
    the iPhone DOESN'T do! ;-)






  5. #5
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Comparing the iPhone's technology to rocket science.

    At 28 Jul 2008 21:56:43 -0400 Carl wrote:
    > > But my point IS, we can send an iPhone in space, let it orbit around
    > > the Earth, and navigate it and make it take cool snapshots of the
    > > Earth and then upload them to a web-site. Maybe it can be built around
    > > a light-weight infrastructure with some solar-panels in order to
    > > extend the batteries longevity. But anyway, sending an iPhone in space
    > > is FEASIBLE!

    >
    > Tell me, before you put that iPhone in space (to do what, take
    > pictures?),
    > can you please get it to sync my frickin' Outlook calendar here on Earth?



    Given the sync problems you've had, I thought you'd be more than willing to
    help yours achieve escape velocity! ;-)





  6. #6
    Carl
    Guest

    Re: Comparing the iPhone's technology to rocket science.

    4phun wrote:
    > On Jul 28, 9:56 pm, "Carl" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> 4phun wrote:
    >>> WebtopMania

    >>
    >>> Saturday, July 19, 2008
    >>> The iPhone 3G is a pocket satellite.

    >>
    >>> Ever worked with satellite engineering teams? I have. I had some
    >>> experience in the AOCS (Attitude and Orbit Control Systems)
    >>> subsystem team in the ESA-SSETI program, designing ESEO, a
    >>> micro-satellite designed to take space pictures and do some simple
    >>> science, while I was an undergrad student. Ok, we were all
    >>> students, and most of us were complete noobs at satellite
    >>> engineering. Most of us remained so afterwards. Cool times though.

    >>
    >>> Cool thoughts comparing the 3g iPhone's technology to rocket
    >>> science...
    >>> http://webtopmania.blogspot.com/2008...cket-satellite...

    >>
    >>> THE BOTTOM LINE (after a long post about designing reliable
    >>> satellites)

    >>
    >>> "I guess Steve Jobs could have made a great satellite engineer.

    >>
    >>> But my point IS, we can send an iPhone in space, let it orbit around
    >>> the Earth, and navigate it and make it take cool snapshots of the
    >>> Earth and then upload them to a web-site. Maybe it can be built
    >>> around a light-weight infrastructure with some solar-panels in
    >>> order to extend the batteries longevity. But anyway, sending an
    >>> iPhone in space is FEASIBLE!

    >>
    >>> Now for what matters, the iPhone: hype or not?
    >>> I say hell, no! The iphone IS a disruptive gadget. I had tried
    >>> before an HTC P3300. They suck at doing what the iPhone does."

    >>
    >> Tell me, before you put that iPhone in space (to do what, take
    >> pictures?), can you please get it to sync my frickin' Outlook
    >> calendar here on Earth?

    >
    > Can't do that Carl.
    > That ain't 'rocket science'.
    >
    > BTW in the 3G iPhone there is a selection for which calender you want
    > to use on the left hand top screen. Is it already synced and you are
    > viewing the wrong calendar? I did not know I had more than Outlook
    > calendar until I noticed that view setting.
    >

    You're right, it isn't rocket science. I was just hoping that Apple would
    walk before it tried to run.

    I only have one calendar on my screen. I can sync it with my office's
    computer but not my home one, which is more important to me. I've tried
    everything suggested at this point. I won't bore you with the details. You
    can peruse my previous posts.





  7. #7
    Carl
    Guest

    Re: Comparing the iPhone's technology to rocket science.

    Todd Allcock wrote:
    > At 28 Jul 2008 21:56:43 -0400 Carl wrote:
    >>> But my point IS, we can send an iPhone in space, let it orbit around
    >>> the Earth, and navigate it and make it take cool snapshots of the
    >>> Earth and then upload them to a web-site. Maybe it can be built
    >>> around a light-weight infrastructure with some solar-panels in
    >>> order to extend the batteries longevity. But anyway, sending an
    >>> iPhone in space is FEASIBLE!

    >>
    >> Tell me, before you put that iPhone in space (to do what, take
    >> pictures?),
    >> can you please get it to sync my frickin' Outlook calendar here on
    >> Earth?

    >
    >
    > Given the sync problems you've had, I thought you'd be more than
    > willing to help yours achieve escape velocity! ;-)
    >

    Isn't that feature already built into it??? ;-)

    And you're damn right. I should sell it, but I needed a new iPod anyway and
    I got mine at a very good price, so I'll hold on and see if software 2.1 is
    considerate enough to have a fix.





  8. #8
    Carl
    Guest

    Re: Comparing the iPhone's technology to rocket science.

    Todd Allcock wrote:
    > At 28 Jul 2008 15:47:08 -0700 4phun wrote:
    >
    >> Now for what matters, the iPhone: hype or not?
    >> I say hell, no! The iphone IS a disruptive gadget. I had tried before
    >> an HTC P3300. They suck at doing what the iPhone does."

    >
    >
    > Perhaps. However, it's real strength is that it also sucks at doing
    > what the iPhone DOESN'T do! ;-)
    >

    Hey, I'm a huge fan of yours Todd, but this one has gotten over my head.
    There appears to be a double negative in it. What am I reading wrong?





  9. #9
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Comparing the iPhone's technology to rocket science.

    At 29 Jul 2008 09:25:53 -0400 Carl wrote:

    > >> I say hell, no! The iphone IS a disruptive gadget. I had tried before
    > >> an HTC P3300. They suck at doing what the iPhone does."

    > >
    > >
    > > Perhaps. However, it's real strength is that it also sucks at doing
    > > what the iPhone DOESN'T do! ;-)



    > Hey, I'm a huge fan of yours Todd, but this one has gotten over my head.
    > There appears to be a double negative in it. What am I reading wrong?


    Oh well- they say a joke isn't funny if you have to explain it, but it was
    late when I da hed that off, so I'll explain it anyway and accept the
    consequences! ;-)

    The old joke about WinMobile is that it's a jack of all trades and a master
    of none. The best analogy anyone has come up with is that it's the "Swiss
    Army Knife" of mobile devices- no one in their right mind would use the
    scissors or screwdriver of a Swiss Army knife if a REAL pair of scissors or
    a screwdriver were around, but the knife works in a pinch.

    So, I'm happy to conceed that a WinMo device, like the P3300 mentioned above,
    is a mediocre iPod or web browser compared to the iPhone- yes, it "sucks"
    at what the iPhone does. However, it's also a mediocre remote desktop
    terminal, NNTP newsreader, WiFi IP phone, turn-by-turn navigation device,
    video camera, network share browser, etc., so it also "sucks" at doing
    things the iPhone doesn't do at all. And that is an advantage- not a
    shortcoming...

    Like with the Swiss Army knife- that lousy pair of tucked-away included
    scissors beats having no scissors on you at all!

    My perspective may be skewed- I've ben playing with Windows CE devices for
    nearly a decade and pushing their limits in order to (successfully) use
    them as laptop replacements, rather than the "PC Companions" or peripherals
    they were originally envisioned as.

    My Tilt _IS_ my "laptop." I can take it anywhere and use it for virtually
    anything anyone would use a laptop for.






  10. #10
    Larry
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    Re: Comparing the iPhone's technology to rocket science.

    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:g6naqb$600$1
    @aioe.org:

    > so it also "sucks" at doing
    > things the iPhone doesn't do at all. And that is an advantage- not a
    > shortcoming...
    >


    Like copy and paste??.....(c;




  11. #11
    Carl
    Guest

    Re: Comparing the iPhone's technology to rocket science.

    Todd Allcock wrote:
    > At 29 Jul 2008 09:25:53 -0400 Carl wrote:
    >
    >>>> I say hell, no! The iphone IS a disruptive gadget. I had tried
    >>>> before an HTC P3300. They suck at doing what the iPhone does."
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Perhaps. However, it's real strength is that it also sucks at doing
    >>> what the iPhone DOESN'T do! ;-)

    >
    >
    >> Hey, I'm a huge fan of yours Todd, but this one has gotten over my
    >> head. There appears to be a double negative in it. What am I reading
    >> wrong?

    >
    > Oh well- they say a joke isn't funny if you have to explain it, but
    > it was late when I da hed that off, so I'll explain it anyway and
    > accept the consequences! ;-)
    >
    > The old joke about WinMobile is that it's a jack of all trades and a
    > master of none. The best analogy anyone has come up with is that
    > it's the "Swiss Army Knife" of mobile devices- no one in their right
    > mind would use the scissors or screwdriver of a Swiss Army knife if a
    > REAL pair of scissors or a screwdriver were around, but the knife
    > works in a pinch.
    >
    > So, I'm happy to conceed that a WinMo device, like the P3300
    > mentioned above, is a mediocre iPod or web browser compared to the
    > iPhone- yes, it "sucks"
    > at what the iPhone does. However, it's also a mediocre remote desktop
    > terminal, NNTP newsreader, WiFi IP phone, turn-by-turn navigation
    > device, video camera, network share browser, etc., so it also "sucks"
    > at doing things the iPhone doesn't do at all. And that is an
    > advantage- not a shortcoming...
    >
    > Like with the Swiss Army knife- that lousy pair of tucked-away
    > included scissors beats having no scissors on you at all!
    >
    > My perspective may be skewed- I've ben playing with Windows CE
    > devices for nearly a decade and pushing their limits in order to
    > (successfully) use
    > them as laptop replacements, rather than the "PC Companions" or
    > peripherals they were originally envisioned as.
    >
    > My Tilt _IS_ my "laptop." I can take it anywhere and use it for
    > virtually anything anyone would use a laptop for.
    >

    That makes sense. I think I got lost in the pronoun exchanges. When someone
    wrote, "They suck at doing what the iPhone does", I thought the "they" in
    that referred to the iPhone itself, as in "(The iPhone) sucks at what the
    iPhone itself does". So, when you wrote yours, I thought the "it" in your
    response also referred to the iPhone, as in "(the Iphone's) real strength is
    that (the iPhone) also sucks at doing what the iPhone DOESN'T do!"

    Imagine my confusion! :-)





  12. #12
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Comparing the iPhone's technology to rocket science.

    At 29 Jul 2008 09:07:13 -0700 4phun wrote:

    > > So, I'm happy to conceed that a WinMo device, like the P3300 mentioned

    above,
    > > is a mediocre iPod or web browser compared to the iPhone- yes, it

    "sucks"
    > > at what the iPhone does. *However, it's also a mediocre remote desktop
    > > terminal, NNTP newsreader, WiFi IP phone, turn-by-turn navigation device,


    > > video camera, network share browser, etc., so it also "sucks" at doing
    > > things the iPhone doesn't do at all. *And that is an advantage- not a
    > > shortcoming... *
    > >
    > > Like with the Swiss Army knife- that lousy pair of tucked-away included
    > > scissors beats having no scissors on you at all! *
    > >
    > > My perspective may be skewed- I've ben playing with Windows CE devices

    for
    > > nearly a decade and pushing their limits in order to (successfully) use
    > > them as laptop replacements, rather than the "PC Companions" or

    peripherals
    > > they were originally envisioned as.
    > >
    > > My Tilt _IS_ my "laptop." *I can take it anywhere and use it for

    virtually
    > > anything anyone would use a laptop for.

    >
    > Let's see Todd, if I am sending this from my iPhone doesn't that make
    > one of your statements false?



    If you're using Google Groups, or other web-based news interface, no- I
    specifically said "NNTP." I use a newsreader for news, not Google, or
    "cellbanter," etc.

    While I'm not personally a supporter of the "Usenet Improvement Project" (a
    bunch of net nannies who filter all Google Groups posts and encourage
    others to do the same) I'm aware of their presence. I prefer to be
    killfiled for what I say- not how I said it! ;-)


    > Didn't you also see a week ago information on remoting a PC on an
    > iPhone right here?


    Often your great "news reports" turn out to be, um, overstated? But a
    quick Google search showed three iPhone remote desktop possibilities- one
    that seems to work ok with XP, but troublesome on Vista, one that works
    pretty well with Macs (both require Jailbreaking, of course) and a wayto
    kludge access to LogMeIn's paid service without using (unavailable for
    iPhone) client software.

    That's certainly "good enough" RD support for anyone needing it, so I'll
    conceed this one to you.


    > Playing with your Tilt has blinded to reality?



    No, but I'll be first to admit I don't keep up on the latest and greatest
    jailbreak-required developments. Your post on the remote desktop
    "breakthrough" might have been lost in the noise of "ten-millionth
    flashlight app downloaded," "use iPhone as 3G modem by replacing it with
    different phone," or "iPhone now in stock in Outer Mongolian Apple Stores"
    news flashes you constantly barrage us with.

    Certainly some light-duty "hacking" (like registry editing) is occasionally
    needed to improve the user experience with Windows Mobile, but it doesn't
    need to hacked out of the box to install "unapproved" 3rd-party apps and
    utilities, at least.





  13. #13
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Comparing the iPhone's technology to rocket science.

    4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:07b374cb-159c-4564-bd34-
    [email protected]:

    > Let's see Todd, if I am sending this from my iPhone doesn't that make
    > one of your statements false?
    >


    07/29/08 19:24:37 dns 32.129.255.180
    nslookup 32.129.255.180
    Canonical name: mobile-032-129-255-180.mycingular.net

    Cool!

    X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_0 like Mac OS X;
    en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5A347
    Safari/525.20,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)

    Web app, of course.....(c;




  14. #14
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Comparing the iPhone's technology to rocket science.

    "Carl" <[email protected]> wrote in news:488f5acb$0$7331
    [email protected]:

    > Imagine my confusion! :-)
    >
    >


    Imagine ours!....(c;




  15. #15
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Comparing the iPhone's technology to rocket science.

    At 29 Jul 2008 13:59:24 -0400 Carl wrote:

    > That makes sense. I think I got lost in the pronoun exchanges. When

    someone
    > wrote, "They suck at doing what the iPhone does", I thought the "they" in
    > that referred to the iPhone itself, as in "(The iPhone) sucks at what the
    > iPhone itself does". So, when you wrote yours, I thought the "it" in your
    > response also referred to the iPhone, as in "(the Iphone's) real strength

    is
    > that (the iPhone) also sucks at doing what the iPhone DOESN'T do!"
    >
    > Imagine my confusion! :-)


    Yeah, I considered clarifying it, but instead, (in a rare moment!)
    remembered my Shakespeare: "Brevity is the soul of wit.."





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