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  1. #1
    jer
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    Everybody's seen this already, right?

    http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...ss/6731420.htm


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    what we know." -- Richard Wilbur




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  2. #2
    Cell Academician
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    Re: Cingular helping California's financial crisis?

    jer <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    >
    > Everybody's seen this already, right?
    >
    > http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...ss/6731420.htm


    $12 million won't make a dent in the financial crisis, plus
    Cingular is appealing. It could drag on for years before a
    settlement is reached.

    The best thing for Cingular to do would be to admit the
    mistake, pay the money and move on. Even they don't
    deny that the problems that led to the fine were real.
    UCAN (a California consumer group) was pushing for
    an $100 million dollar fine.


    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  3. #3
    J
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    Re: Cingular helping California's financial crisis?

    This is the same state that declared that the Boy Scouts is a
    religious organization, that legalizes illegal immigration, that hold
    special interest above the residents..that tried to make "In God we
    trust" illegal ( and the list goes on) .yea, great legal decisions



  4. #4
    Steven M. Scharf
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    Re: Cingular helping California's financial crisis?


    "J" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > This is the same state that declared that the Boy Scouts is a
    > religious organization.


    The boy scouts wanted to kick out a scout because he did not believe in god.
    You can't get much more religious than that! It's fine if the boy scouts
    want
    to limit their membership to religious people. Just don't ask for any state
    sponsorship or money for an organization that discriminates based on
    religion.

    > that legalizes illegal immigration,


    Immigration is a federal matter. What California is trying to do is to make
    the best of a bad situation caused by large agribusinesse's successful
    efforts to ensure that the federal government does not jeopardize their
    main source of cheap labor. The solution is a guest worker program,
    but agribusiness doesn't want this because it would result in better
    wages.

    Look at the big picture: California is not allowed to deport illegals; it's
    not under their jurisdiction. Is it better to deny them medical care and
    schooling and have diseased people picking vegetables and working
    in restaurants, with their kids hanging around getting into trouble? Is it
    better to have them take driving tests and get insurance than have them
    driving without licenses and insurance? They WILL drive, no matter
    what)?

    The backers of proposition 187 knew that it was unconstitutional
    and would never be implemented. They wanted to do two things,
    1) make a statement about how much illegal immigration was costing
    the state (very debatable as to whether it's negative or positive),
    and 2) create a wedge between Caucasion and Latino voters, and
    get more conservatives to the polls to re-elect Pete Wilson. It worked.

    > that hold special interest above the residents.


    Can't argue with that one.

    >that tried to make "In God we trust" illegal ( and the list goes on) .


    Technically it should be illegal since it violates the U.S. constitution.

    You should read Al Franken's book, _Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them_.





  5. #5
    William Bray
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    Re: Cingular helping California's financial crisis?

    My apologies. I posted in haste and did not notice that you had already
    posted this message. This is a great article.

    jer <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    >
    > Everybody's seen this already, right?
    >
    > http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...ss/6731420.htm
    >
    >
    > --
    > jer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273
    > "All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of
    > what we know." -- Richard Wilbur
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  6. #6
    J
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    Re: Cingular helping California's financial crisis?

    Al Frankin is an idiot, plain and simple. The US was founded on the
    principles of God, that is fact! The phrase "In God we trust" is NOT
    in any way a violation of church and state, that also is fact. Read
    the constitution and the amendments..and stop listening to those who
    don't have a clue.
    As for immigration, arrest those who hire them as well as the
    immigrants. Send all those illegalls to the state departments front
    door, and drop the problem on them. (unless everyone just would rather
    ignore the law) Illegals do not pay taxes, they should not get the
    priviliges that go with paying them. I guess you would rather pay for
    their support through your taxes and let them have a free ride. Most
    people in this country work within the law, not outside of it.
    Stop giving the Dept of Immigration a free pass to ignore the
    problem. As far as cheap labor, your right, the cost of goods would go
    up if we had to pay a far wage to legal citizen, but "dare I say" that
    would lower the unemployment rate. Balboa park was originally donated
    to the Boy scouts for the Boy Scouts, as stated in the original
    agreement with the city. The discrimination against atheism is because
    a belief in God is a tenant of being a scout. "Duty to God and
    Country" is their message. They don't care what religion you are,
    just that you believe in God. The fanatical left has filled
    californians head's with so many lies and disinformation the people no
    longer know what to believe and can't tell truth from fiction.
    Now, if your against God, if your against the security of the country,
    if your against fair employment for our citizens, then by all means,
    keep going in the direction your headed. If you want solid decent
    morals for our children, free thought, good employment and health care
    for all, then doing something positive and stop listening to liberals
    of the left.


    On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 05:11:14 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"J" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> This is the same state that declared that the Boy Scouts is a
    >> religious organization.

    >
    >The boy scouts wanted to kick out a scout because he did not believe in god.
    >You can't get much more religious than that! It's fine if the boy scouts
    >want
    >to limit their membership to religious people. Just don't ask for any state
    >sponsorship or money for an organization that discriminates based on
    >religion.
    >
    >> that legalizes illegal immigration,

    >
    >Immigration is a federal matter. What California is trying to do is to make
    >the best of a bad situation caused by large agribusinesse's successful
    >efforts to ensure that the federal government does not jeopardize their
    >main source of cheap labor. The solution is a guest worker program,
    >but agribusiness doesn't want this because it would result in better
    >wages.
    >
    >Look at the big picture: California is not allowed to deport illegals; it's
    >not under their jurisdiction. Is it better to deny them medical care and
    >schooling and have diseased people picking vegetables and working
    >in restaurants, with their kids hanging around getting into trouble? Is it
    >better to have them take driving tests and get insurance than have them
    >driving without licenses and insurance? They WILL drive, no matter
    >what)?
    >
    >The backers of proposition 187 knew that it was unconstitutional
    >and would never be implemented. They wanted to do two things,
    >1) make a statement about how much illegal immigration was costing
    >the state (very debatable as to whether it's negative or positive),
    >and 2) create a wedge between Caucasion and Latino voters, and
    >get more conservatives to the polls to re-elect Pete Wilson. It worked.
    >
    >> that hold special interest above the residents.

    >
    >Can't argue with that one.
    >
    >>that tried to make "In God we trust" illegal ( and the list goes on) .

    >
    >Technically it should be illegal since it violates the U.S. constitution.
    >
    >You should read Al Franken's book, _Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them_.
    >





  7. #7
    Cell Academician
    Guest

    Re: Cingular helping California's financial crisis?

    J <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > Al Frankin is an idiot, plain and simple.


    Surely you can do better than that. What's great about
    Al Franken's book is that in one place it documents all
    the lies coming from the far right media. Until then, I found
    it amusing to leaf through the books by Coulter and Hannity
    and pick out all the most obvious lies. Two nut cases, and
    the sad thing is that there are so many uneducated people
    that take their lies as gospel and never do any research
    themselves.

    >The US was founded on the
    > principles of God, that is fact!


    And the founders were wise enough to write into the
    constitution the separation of church and state because
    they personally had experienced what happens when the
    state becomes involved in religion. All it will take is for
    a pagan student organization to demand the use of school
    facilities, for all the right wing wackos to suddenly discover
    that the constitution doesn't allow religion in public schools.

    >As for immigration, arrest those who hire them as well as
    >the immigrants.


    I agree with this, but the state cannot arrest them.
    Immigration is a federal issue. The federal government
    has no interest in offending the special interests that benefit
    from illegal immigration.

    > Send all those illegalls to the state departments front
    > door, and drop the problem on them. (unless everyone
    > just would rather ignore the law)


    Unfortunately, the state does not have the power to round
    up illegals and send them to Washington D.C..

    >Illegals do not pay taxes,


    Illegals have Federal income tax, state income tax,
    Social Security taxes and medicare taxes withheld
    by their employers. Even though they don't earn enough
    to actually owe any income taxes they do not file a return
    and hence do not get a refund of their unowed taxes.
    They also pay sales taxes of course.

    >they should not get the priviliges that go with paying
    >them. I guess you would rather pay for their support
    > through your taxes and let them have a free ride.


    Personally I think that they should be deported. Wages
    for the jobs they do will rise and will attract non-illegals.
    The costs of goods and services they provide will rise, but
    I'm perfectly willing to pay more for produce and
    restaurant meals and for manual labor.

    However as long as the Republicans don't want to do anything
    about illegal immigration, for fear of offending their
    special interest constituents, it behooves everyone that
    the illegals are not spreading disease, driving without
    licenses, or having their kids running around the streets
    instead of being in school. It infuriates me that my taxes are
    going to pay for health care and schooling for people that
    are not here legally, but I know that since the state can't
    deport these people, that the alternative is even worse.

    > The discrimination against atheism is because
    > a belief in God is a tenant of being a scout.
    > "Duty to God and Country" is their message.


    It's a fine message. But it discriminates on the basis
    of religion.


    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  8. #8
    little John
    Guest

    Re: Cingular helping California's financial crisis?



    Cell Academician wrote:
    > J <[email protected]> wrote in article
    > <[email protected]>:
    >> Al Frankin is an idiot, plain and simple.

    >
    > Surely you can do better than that. What's great about
    > Al Franken's book is that in one place it documents all
    > the lies coming from the far right media. Until then, I found
    > it amusing to leaf through the books by Coulter and Hannity
    > and pick out all the most obvious lies. Two nut cases, and
    > the sad thing is that there are so many uneducated people
    > that take their lies as gospel and never do any research
    > themselves.
    >
    >> The US was founded on the
    >> principles of God, that is fact!

    >
    > And the founders were wise enough to write into the
    > constitution the separation of church and state because
    > they personally had experienced what happens when the
    > state becomes involved in religion. All it will take is for
    > a pagan student organization to demand the use of school
    > facilities, for all the right wing wackos to suddenly discover
    > that the constitution doesn't allow religion in public schools.
    >
    >> As for immigration, arrest those who hire them as well as
    >> the immigrants.

    >
    > I agree with this, but the state cannot arrest them.
    > Immigration is a federal issue. The federal government
    > has no interest in offending the special interests that benefit
    > from illegal immigration.
    >
    >> Send all those illegalls to the state departments front
    >> door, and drop the problem on them. (unless everyone
    >> just would rather ignore the law)

    >
    > Unfortunately, the state does not have the power to round
    > up illegals and send them to Washington D.C..
    >
    >> Illegals do not pay taxes,

    >
    > Illegals have Federal income tax, state income tax,
    > Social Security taxes and medicare taxes withheld
    > by their employers. Even though they don't earn enough
    > to actually owe any income taxes they do not file a return
    > and hence do not get a refund of their unowed taxes.
    > They also pay sales taxes of course.
    >
    >> they should not get the priviliges that go with paying
    >> them. I guess you would rather pay for their support
    >> through your taxes and let them have a free ride.

    >
    > Personally I think that they should be deported. Wages
    > for the jobs they do will rise and will attract non-illegals.
    > The costs of goods and services they provide will rise, but
    > I'm perfectly willing to pay more for produce and
    > restaurant meals and for manual labor.
    >
    > However as long as the Republicans don't want to do anything
    > about illegal immigration, for fear of offending their
    > special interest constituents, it behooves everyone that
    > the illegals are not spreading disease, driving without
    > licenses, or having their kids running around the streets
    > instead of being in school. It infuriates me that my taxes are
    > going to pay for health care and schooling for people that
    > are not here legally, but I know that since the state can't
    > deport these people, that the alternative is even worse.
    >
    >> The discrimination against atheism is because
    >> a belief in God is a tenant of being a scout.
    >> "Duty to God and Country" is their message.

    >
    > It's a fine message. But it discriminates on the basis
    > of religion.
    >
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    And just what has all this got to do with Cingular?







  9. #9
    Ryan Baiad
    Guest

    Re: Cingular helping California's financial crisis?




    > never do any research


    Maybe you should try this sometime.



    > And the founders were wise enough to write into the
    > constitution the separation of church and state because
    > they personally had experienced what happens when the
    > state becomes involved in religion.


    Can you show me where that is in the constitution? I've never read that.





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