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- 11-04-2004, 07:44 PM #1Chris CowlesGuest
But, in following a thread, one needs only read the top on each subsequent
message, rather than scrolling to the bottom of a huge mess. Assuming the
writer edits the original, I prefer top posts.
"Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:04:33 -0800, "Richard Ness"
>>There's nothing inherintly wrong with it
>
> Other than the fact that one has to read from the bottom up.
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- 11-04-2004, 08:43 PM #2Al KleinGuest
Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:44:10 -0500, "Chris Cowles" <[email protected]> said
in alt.cellular:
>But, in following a thread, one needs only read the top on each subsequent
>message
Assuming that I've been following this thread. I just got here from
another thread in another NG.
>rather than scrolling to the bottom of a huge mess.
You consider a line and a half to be "a huge mess"?
> Assuming the writer edits the original, I prefer top posts.
And, since the majority of netizens, and the nettiquete rules, call
for bottom posting ...
This isn't a new discussion. A few newbies always claim to prefer top
posting, and it's been this way for a few decades. (In this context I
consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
existence to be a newbie.)
- 11-04-2004, 10:15 PM #3AJGuest
Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)
Al Klein wrote:
(In this context I
> consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
> existence to be a newbie.
I supported a network of over 200 mainframes before DARPAnet
was even a thought. I prefer top posting so I suppose that makes me a
newbie and your credentials are???
Jim
- 11-05-2004, 01:53 AM #4LocutusGuest
Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)
AJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>Al Klein wrote:
>(In this context I
>> consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
>> existence to be a newbie.
>
> I supported a network of over 200 mainframes before DARPAnet
>was even a thought. I prefer top posting so I suppose that makes me a
>newbie
Yes, and of the worst kind: the "perma-newbie."
- 11-05-2004, 08:58 PM #5Al KleinGuest
Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 04:15:43 GMT, AJ <[email protected]> said in
alt.cellular:
>Al Klein wrote:
>(In this context I
>> consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
>> existence to be a newbie.
>
> I supported a network of over 200 mainframes before DARPAnet
>was even a thought. I prefer top posting so I suppose that makes me a
>newbie
Not in my eyes.
- 11-05-2004, 11:07 PM #6John RichardsGuest
Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)
"Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> And, since the majority of netizens, and the nettiquete rules, call
> for bottom posting ...
>
> This isn't a new discussion. A few newbies always claim to prefer top
> posting, and it's been this way for a few decades. (In this context I
> consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
> existence to be a newbie.)
I presume you're aware that the news client in Outlook Express
(which comes installed on 95% of all personal computers) defaults to
top posting. Microsoft is not exactly a lightweight when it comes to
computing standards.
--
John Richards
- 11-05-2004, 11:43 PM #7Steve SobolGuest
Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)
John Richards wrote:
> I presume you're aware that the news client in Outlook Express
> (which comes installed on 95% of all personal computers) defaults to
> top posting. Microsoft is not exactly a lightweight when it comes to
> computing standards.
Right. They like to ignore an awful lot of those standards.
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- 11-06-2004, 02:09 AM #8Carey GregoryGuest
Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)
Folks,
As much as I hate to join in on a troll-thread, I've got to say this....
May I suggest the google archives? Or one of the dozens of Usenet FAQs that
address this issue? Top vs. bottom posting is a subject that dates back to
the early 1980s, and the long-accepted convention is bottom posting. Fact
is, either one works as well as the other, but *only* if everyone follows
the same convention. Consistency is important - top or bottom isn't - but
like it or not, the accepted convention is bottom posting.
Bottom posting is only annoying when the person replying ignores another
convention, that convention being to quote only the minimum necessary to
maintain context. Unfortunately, many people are lazy and they quote the
whole damned thing, often not even bothering to trim the parts after the one
short sentence they stuck in the middle of a huge quote.
So, trim your quotes, bottom post, and everyone will be happy.
- 11-06-2004, 05:46 AM #9JosephGuest
Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:07:43 GMT, "John Richards"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I presume you're aware that the news client in Outlook Express
>(which comes installed on 95% of all personal computers) defaults to
>top posting. Microsoft is not exactly a lightweight when it comes to
>computing standards.
I think you really meant Microsoft likes to make up their own
"standards" as it fits them neve mind that RFCs have been around for
years. Just because 95% of people are boors and don't know correct on
line behaviours such as cleaning up after yourself rather than dumping
does not make it right.
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- 11-06-2004, 08:58 AM #10Al KleinGuest
Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:07:43 GMT, "John Richards"
<[email protected]> said in alt.cellular:
>"Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> And, since the majority of netizens, and the nettiquete rules, call
>> for bottom posting ...
>>
>> This isn't a new discussion. A few newbies always claim to prefer top
>> posting, and it's been this way for a few decades. (In this context I
>> consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
>> existence to be a newbie.)
>
>I presume you're aware that the news client in Outlook Express
Outlook express is a mail client. That they include the ability to
(badly mis-) handle NNTP doesn't make anything in it a "news client".
>(which comes installed on 95% of all personal computers) defaults to
>top posting.
It defaults to having the cursor at the top when you're ready to type
your response. Almost all newsreaders do this. Almost all people
using them do NOT top post.
> Microsoft is not exactly a lightweight when it comes to
>computing standards.
Microsoft is the largest heavyweight when it comes to violating
standards. (Vendors don't set standards - standards committees and
RFCs do.)
- 11-06-2004, 10:50 AM #11Tee BoxGuest
Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)
So what committee set the standard that says you can't top post like I am.
"Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:07:43 GMT, "John Richards"
> <[email protected]> said in alt.cellular:
>
>>"Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> And, since the majority of netizens, and the nettiquete rules, call
>>> for bottom posting ...
>>>
>>> This isn't a new discussion. A few newbies always claim to prefer top
>>> posting, and it's been this way for a few decades. (In this context I
>>> consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
>>> existence to be a newbie.)
>>
>>I presume you're aware that the news client in Outlook Express
>
> Outlook express is a mail client. That they include the ability to
> (badly mis-) handle NNTP doesn't make anything in it a "news client".
>
>>(which comes installed on 95% of all personal computers) defaults to
>>top posting.
>
> It defaults to having the cursor at the top when you're ready to type
> your response. Almost all newsreaders do this. Almost all people
> using them do NOT top post.
>
>> Microsoft is not exactly a lightweight when it comes to
>>computing standards.
>
> Microsoft is the largest heavyweight when it comes to violating
> standards. (Vendors don't set standards - standards committees and
> RFCs do.)
- 11-06-2004, 12:49 PM #12W4PHMGuest
Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)
Well I guess I started all of this by starting a post about
cell phone RF interference in hospitals and began by
saying, "sorry to top post but I don't want to dig through
all of this to make a small point"
Well, I am no newbie, I was on the usenet when win3.0
came out and still use win98 build II because I love DOS
and hate to have to have windows runnning in the backround
whenever I want to do something in DOS, so I am far from
a newbie...... I am just not a purist to archaine rules.
Thanks,
--
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Certified Safety Engineer
AHA BCLS Instructor, ACLS Instructor Candidate
"Tee Box" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> So what committee set the standard that says you can't top post like I am.
>
> "Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:07:43 GMT, "John Richards"
> > <[email protected]> said in alt.cellular:
> >
> >>"Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> And, since the majority of netizens, and the nettiquete rules, call
> >>> for bottom posting ...
> >>>
> >>> This isn't a new discussion. A few newbies always claim to prefer top
> >>> posting, and it's been this way for a few decades. (In this context I
> >>> consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
> >>> existence to be a newbie.)
> >>
> >>I presume you're aware that the news client in Outlook Express
> >
> > Outlook express is a mail client. That they include the ability to
> > (badly mis-) handle NNTP doesn't make anything in it a "news client".
> >
> >>(which comes installed on 95% of all personal computers) defaults to
> >>top posting.
> >
> > It defaults to having the cursor at the top when you're ready to type
> > your response. Almost all newsreaders do this. Almost all people
> > using them do NOT top post.
> >
> >> Microsoft is not exactly a lightweight when it comes to
> >>computing standards.
> >
> > Microsoft is the largest heavyweight when it comes to violating
> > standards. (Vendors don't set standards - standards committees and
> > RFCs do.)
>
>
- 11-06-2004, 01:17 PM #13NotanGuest
Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)
Tee Box wrote:
>
> So what committee set the standard that says you can't top post like I am.
Have a look at http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html.
Notan
- 11-06-2004, 01:31 PM #14Scott StephensonGuest
Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)
"John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > And, since the majority of netizens, and the nettiquete rules, call
> > for bottom posting ...
> >
> > This isn't a new discussion. A few newbies always claim to prefer top
> > posting, and it's been this way for a few decades. (In this context I
> > consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
> > existence to be a newbie.)
>
> I presume you're aware that the news client in Outlook Express
> (which comes installed on 95% of all personal computers) defaults to
> top posting. Microsoft is not exactly a lightweight when it comes to
> computing standards.
Great- yet another top-posting thread. The amusing thing about this last
post- the author points to Microsoft and computing standards (which he
sounds like he would follow). But when presented with the actual standard
for Usenet, the philosophy becomes, "I'm too good (or too lazy) to do that."
Shouldn't have tried to justify your top-posting- it makes you look a little
less intelligent.
BTW- care to share any instance where Micro$oft instituted standards for
Internet etiquette?
- 11-06-2004, 04:16 PM #15Tee BoxGuest
Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)
The following is a direct quote from the first paragraph of your reference
which is a bit dated. So I ask again, what set the standard??
"Status of This Memo
This memo provides information for the Internet community. This memo
does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of
this memo is unlimited."
"Notan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tee Box wrote:
>>
>> So what committee set the standard that says you can't top post like I
>> am.
>
> Have a look at http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html.
>
> Notan
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