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Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
> Steve
>
> You think the Pentagon supports Bush? Take a close look at Powell
> think he is happy (or coming back).

I don't know about Powell. Rumsfield supports Bush.

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"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> John Richards <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If we pulled out unilaterally, the Sunni and Shiite Muslim factions would fight
>> each other to the death, resulting in an enormous bloodbath, not to mention
>> what they would do to those who cooperated with the Allies. Surrounding
>> nations would notice the power vacuum. Result: Turkey would 'annex' the
>> Kurdish regions of Iraq, while Iran would help itself to the eastern region
>> (Iran has been supporting the more extremist Muslims). Newly emboldened
>> extremists would use Iraq's oil wealth to finance export of terrorism to those
>> they perceive to be their enemies (Israel and most Western nations).
>
>
> Got news for you, John -- the Sunnis and Shiites have been at war with
> each other for decades. And the bloodbath hasn't happened yet.

True, but the reason the bloodbath didn't happen before was because they
were under the heavy thumb of Saddam. With all authority gone, there would
be a free-for-all.

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I might be wrong here but as I recall

1) Germany attacked our supply boats in the Atlantic before we where
officially in the war in Europe
2) Japan attack the US after we where in Europe, the item that gets
lost in that is we cut off oil and steel shipments to Japan before the
attack. Of course they where raping (pre-communist) China at the time
so they where not sitting at home playing nice either.


Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> John Richards <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Although the start of those wars was different, many parallels exist.
> > Germany never attacked any US forces until after we declared war on her.
> > Iraq never attacked any US forces until after we declared war on her.
> > We liberated Germany and other western European countries from the madman
> > Adolph Hitler, and we liberated Iraq from the madman Saddam Hussein.
> > We won both wars militarily. Afterwards we initiated and ran the Marshall Plan
> > for war-torn western Europe (including Germany), and we have earned the right
> > to run the recovery plan for Iraq.
>
> Major, major red herring. Germany was on the side of that little country in
> the Pacific Rim that did attack us. Unprovoked, at that.

presumable the feeling is since Iraq there now are more (terrorists)
due to our operations.... all pissed at us. Again, saddam needed to
go, but doing it the bush way hurts us more than it helps us


Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
> > John
> >
> > You are kidding right? Bigger than Stalin? Hitler? Pol Pot?
> > Sudan,..... How many did Stalin kill? What is the total population of
> > Iraq?
>
> No, I don't think he's kidding.
>
> I just can't see terrorist activity happening in places where it doesn't
> already exist, just because we decide to leave Iraq. There are already
> terrorist and extremist cells all over the Mideast, including in Iraq.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Ron) wrote:

> presumable the feeling is since Iraq there now are more (terrorists)
> due to our operations.... all pissed at us. Again, saddam needed to
> go, but doing it the bush way hurts us more than it helps us

And now they're going to tear down the prison? That way
Halliburton can get the contract to build a new one.

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R?bert M <[email protected]> wrote:
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> And now they're going to tear down the prison? That way
> Halliburton can get the contract to build a new one.

I bet that they use Iraqi labor to build this prison.

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Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
> presumable the feeling is since Iraq there now are more (terrorists)
> due to our operations.... all pissed at us. Again, saddam needed to
> go, but doing it the bush way hurts us more than it helps us

We were sticking our noses where they don't belong before this, too.

I can't say for sure than 9/11 would have happened if we weren't so hell-bent
on policing the entire world - no one can - but I am convinced there would
have been much less of a chance of it happening.

Humanitarian efforts to help other countries are great as long as (a) that's
exactly what they are and (b) we don't risk killing large numbers of our own
citizens to do so. I mean, hey, I'm a dyed-in-the-wool liberal -- not as
extreme as some other people with similar views, as I hover somewhere near
the middle, but still liberal. Social action is important to me. Just don't
be stupid about it.

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