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  1. #1
    I have to figure out where the 20 new Treos we plan to buy will and won't
    work for e-mail & voice. Therefore, I'm trying to determine the percentage
    of territory (not people) covered by SPCS and Cingular, both in my home
    state and in the lower 48 states.

    I also wish to differentiate between analog/digital (voice) and native
    ('on-net') digital only (so I can see where data services will work) The
    latter is a radically smaller area.

    The commonly available maps only show analog and digital combined, and you
    have to drill down, market by market, to obtain the native (i.e.,
    non-roaming) digital coverage, in those locales where it's available at
    all.

    If anyone here has done such mapping or calculations, or read of recent
    published reports of same and can source the report, I surely would
    appreciate it.

    My educated guess is that Cingular's data coverage is much broader than
    SPCS's, as when I look at the native digital coverage of SPCS, compared to
    what they claim for voice in those markets, the native digital coverage of
    SPCS is much less than their voice coverage area (obviously roaming onto
    other carriers, as SPCS has no analog of their own), whereas Cingular says
    everyplace they have AMPS, they have GSM now.

    Your evidence-based findings and sources will be truly appreciated.

    Thank you kindly.





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  2. #2
    Jerome Zelinske
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    Re: National, native, digital coverage

    The Sprint PCS maps are clear. All of Sprint PCS' coverage is digital.
    All of the dark forest green (Sprint Nationwide PCS Network) areas
    also include data. Only the light tan (Additional Sprint PCS Service)
    areas are Sprint PCS' voice only areas, which I guestimate at less then
    10 percent.
    The non Sprint PCS areas, medium and light green, are roaming and voice
    only.



  3. #3
    Tropical Haven
    Guest

    Re: National, native, digital coverage



    [email protected] wrote:
    > I have to figure out where the 20 new Treos we plan to buy will and won't
    > work for e-mail & voice. Therefore, I'm trying to determine the percentage
    > of territory (not people) covered by SPCS and Cingular, both in my home
    > state and in the lower 48 states.


    One plus is that Cingular allows you to use data while roaming on other
    carriers. For example, a Cingular user can use data on the
    Cingular/AT&T network, the T-Mobile network where Cingular service is
    unavailable, on Unicel, on Dobson Cellular One, on Western Wireless
    Cellular One, and a multitude of other smaller regional GSM carriers.
    Generally, where your voice works, your data will, too.

    > I also wish to differentiate between analog/digital (voice) and native
    > ('on-net') digital only (so I can see where data services will work) The
    > latter is a radically smaller area.


    If you sign up with Cingular, you most likely won't have access to
    analog, as Cingular is a GSM carrier, and generally GSM subscribers do
    not have capability to access AMPS.

    > The commonly available maps only show analog and digital combined, and you
    > have to drill down, market by market, to obtain the native (i.e.,
    > non-roaming) digital coverage, in those locales where it's available at
    > all.


    With Cingular in terms of looking for coverage, this really isn't an issue.

    > If anyone here has done such mapping or calculations, or read of recent
    > published reports of same and can source the report, I surely would
    > appreciate it.
    >
    > My educated guess is that Cingular's data coverage is much broader than
    > SPCS's, as when I look at the native digital coverage of SPCS, compared to
    > what they claim for voice in those markets, the native digital coverage of
    > SPCS is much less than their voice coverage area (obviously roaming onto
    > other carriers, as SPCS has no analog of their own), whereas Cingular says
    > everyplace they have AMPS, they have GSM now.


    Yes, that is accurate for Cingular. Every place there is Cingular AMPS
    there is Cingular GSM. However, that doesn't mean that everywhere there
    is AMPS there is GSM.

    > Your evidence-based findings and sources will be truly appreciated.
    >
    > Thank you kindly.
    >
    >





  4. #4
    tom glaab
    Guest

    Re: National, native, digital coverage

    > Yes, that is accurate for Cingular. Every place there is Cingular
    AMPS
    > there is Cingular GSM. However, that doesn't mean that everywhere

    there
    > is AMPS there is GSM.


    But analog coverage really isn't an issue as the Treo doesn't do AMPS.

    If you do any amount of overseas travel, go with Cingular. The Treo
    will work (including data) in many different countries. If you're
    willing to pay for service, it's available on your device. Sprint
    doesn't have that option.

    As always, the best way to find out if your office/home/bar is covered
    is to get a phone and go there. Find friends with Cingular and Sprint
    service, then drag them to your favorite haunts. That should give you
    some indication what you can expect.

    tg.




  5. #5

    Re: National, native, digital coverage

    On 23 Mar 2005 05:48:57 -0800, "tom glaab" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >But analog coverage really isn't an issue as the Treo doesn't do AMPS.


    However, there will be legacy customers who will still want AMPS for the
    pineys and the High Desert. They will get 'just a phone.'

    >If you do any amount of overseas travel, go with Cingular.

    Nope. CONUS only.

    >As always, the best way to find out if your office/home/bar is covered
    >is to get a phone and go there. Find friends with Cingular and Sprint
    >service, then drag them to your favorite haunts. That should give you
    >some indication what you can expect.


    That's normally what I tell folks. However, I've been charged with advising
    "how much of the country is covered" and hterefore have to rely on the
    kindness of strangers.


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    John Bartley, K7AAY, PDX OR USA, Opinions mine.



  6. #6

    Re: National, native, digital coverage

    On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:18:39 GMT, Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

    >One plus is that Cingular allows you to use data while roaming on other
    >carriers. For example, a Cingular user can use data on the
    >Cingular/AT&T network, the T-Mobile network where Cingular service is
    >unavailable, on Unicel, on Dobson Cellular One, on Western Wireless
    >Cellular One, and a multitude of other smaller regional GSM carriers.
    >Generally, where your voice works, your data will, too.


    Yep. Big plus for me, less for most of my users.

    >> I also wish to differentiate between analog/digital (voice) and native
    >> ('on-net') digital only (so I can see where data services will work) The
    >> latter is a radically smaller area.

    >
    >If you sign up with Cingular, you most likely won't have access to
    >analog, as Cingular is a GSM carrier, and generally GSM subscribers do
    >not have capability to access AMPS.

    <snip>

    Cingular assimilated ATTWS, and therefore is obligated to provide AMPS, as
    is Verizon. Useless with a Treo, but there are places in our state which
    are analog-only.

    --
    The TSA is a test. It is only a test......
    "Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." -- Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857.
    John Bartley, K7AAY, PDX OR USA, Opinions mine.



  7. #7
    clifto
    Guest

    Re: National, native, digital coverage

    [email protected] wrote:
    > "tom glaab" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>If you do any amount of overseas travel, go with Cingular.

    > Nope. CONUS only.


    Hmm. More details, please. I have a friend who just bought a quad-mode
    phone (v551?) in hopes of using it in mainland China.




  8. #8
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: National, native, digital coverage

    [email protected] wrote:
    > On 23 Mar 2005 05:48:57 -0800, "tom glaab" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>But analog coverage really isn't an issue as the Treo doesn't do AMPS.

    >
    >
    > However, there will be legacy customers who will still want AMPS for the
    > pineys and the High Desert. They will get 'just a phone.'
    >
    >
    >>If you do any amount of overseas travel, go with Cingular.

    >
    > Nope. CONUS only.


    I'd think overseas, T-Mobile would be a better bet anyhow, since they have
    native networks in many different countries...


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  9. #9
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: National, native, digital coverage

    clifto wrote:
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >>"tom glaab" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>If you do any amount of overseas travel, go with Cingular.

    >>
    >>Nope. CONUS only.

    >
    >
    > Hmm. More details, please. I have a friend who just bought a quad-mode
    > phone (v551?) in hopes of using it in mainland China.
    >


    A world phone?

    A GSM world phone operates on GSM 800/1900 for the US and 900/1800 to run on
    European networks, in which case your friend should be fine.

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  10. #10

    Re: National, native, digital coverage




    >> On 23 Mar 2005 05:48:57 -0800, "tom glaab" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>But analog coverage really isn't an issue as the Treo doesn't do AMPS.


    >[email protected] wrote:
    >> However, there will be legacy customers who will still want AMPS for the
    >> pineys and the High Desert. They will get 'just a phone.'


    >>>If you do any amount of overseas travel, go with Cingular.


    >> Nope. CONUS only.


    On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 , Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
    >I'd think overseas, T-Mobile would be a better bet anyhow, since they have
    >native networks in many different countries...


    But, that is outside the scope of my question. I asked about *national*
    coverage.. and then further specified CONUS only.

    So, folks, let's confine this thread, please to the lower 48? Don't care
    about AK for these users.


    --
    The TSA is a test. It is only a test......
    "Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." -- Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857.
    John Bartley, K7AAY, PDX OR USA, Opinions mine.



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