Apple iPhone is GSM

Edgar wrote:
> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:05:17 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:38:34 -0800, SMS
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.Schuman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Keynote is over, Apple.com has been updated:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's listed as a GSM device,
>>>>>>>> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
>>>>>>> The strangest thing is that it's not 3G. It's only EDGE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ummm.. It's also WiFi 802.11c and g
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use
>>>>> Cingular's HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports
>>>>> on the iPhone said that there would be two versions, a lower cost
>>>>> EDGE version, and a higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version
>>>>> is the follow-on product, but spending $600 for a phone without
>>>>> 3G is ludicrous.
>>>>
>>>> Its not just a phone, its all of a Blackberry, an iPod, a PDA, a
>>>> phone, and a true html browser that fits in your pocket at 5
>>>> ounces.. Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.
>>>>
>>>> They are hints and rumors that 3G and GPS are
>>>> on the way, whether that can be done by firmware upgrade or next
>>>> years model isn't clear yet.
>>>
>>> To me a phone like this with all it's functionality should allow
>>> you to install programs for it to be a pocket pc. According to
>>> several sources, it
>>> is a closed system (like the iPod) and the only functionality
>>> you'll get is
>>> whatever Apple gives to you. Definitely not for power users, but
>>> probably
>>> perfect for all the people who prefer Apple to run their iLives.
>>>
>> Unless you buy a PDA, all the phones are "closed."
>
> Which is exactly what I was referring to, there is no comparing the
> iPhone to a standard cell phone, even something like the Choclate or
> the enV. The iPhone is competing with Blackberry's (closed systems)
> and PPCs (open system). I do own a PDA, and I enjoy putting whatever
> I want on there (limited to the amount of memory I have of course).
> There is easily a market for this nice looking phone, but it's not
> revolutionary.
> --
> Edgar

Good or bad, mobile devices have become little more than pocket vending
machines selling impulse products. As such, a mobile iPod is simply an
extension of the tethered iPod with even more product selection and is
sure to be a hit with the 14-29 demographic. In this whole thread,
nobody has even mentioned a concern for call quality and fidelity or
reception capabilities - things that old farts like me put first.

---

› See More: Apple iPhone is GSM

"Bill Marriott" <[email protected]> wrote in news:R9WdnVBLG6aknTjYnZ2dnUVZ_o-
[email protected]:

> You can definitely play native MP3s on all current iPods.
>
>
>

Thanks! My buddy's little girl got a Nano for Christmas. I'll see if I
can get her downloaded MP3s working on it this weekend.



Larry
--
Extremely intelligent life exists that is so smart they never called Earth.

In article <[email protected]>,
SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

> [email protected] wrote:
> \
> > They are hints and rumors that 3G and GPS are
> > on the way, whether that can be done by firmware upgrade or next years
> > model isn't clear yet.
>
> Hopefully this is the case. I'd advise waiting for the 3G version, even
> if it ends up being more expensive, but the price points of this device
> are not going to hold up at $500 and $600.

Given apples good, better, best model for other product lines, i suspect
we'll see another high end iPhone around the release date which will
probably sell for $600. Apples in turn will reduce the 4gb & 8gb models
by $100 or so. Guess we'll just have to wait and see?

>
> ZDNet wrote:
>
> "Although we're pleased Apple made it a quad-band (GSM
> 850/900/1800/1900) world phone, we're disappointed the iPhone's data
> support tops out at 2.5G EDGE networks. Considering the
> multimedia-friendly feature set, the omission of any 3G compatibility is
> a bit bizarre, particularly since Cingular now offers UMTS and HSDPA."
>
> If you look at the device as an OSx web pad/iPod/PDA, the price isn't
> excessive, it's when you think of it as a phone on one of the worst
> carriers in the U.S., that it seems expensive.

At 10 Jan 2007 13:58:29 -0800 Edgar wrote:

> I tend to think, IMO of course, that the thing is crippled by iTunes,

How is that crippling anymore than, say, a WinMo device is crippled by
requiring Acticvesync? You need some computer interface to get stuff
on/off the phone.

> the Cingular network,

It has to run on some network...

> non-replaceable batteries,

A poor choice, IMO as well, but frankly it's sometimes necessary on small
devices, where the battery compartment and spring loaded connectors can
waste precious space. It's an owner convenience vs. a little more
battery life issue. (Well, in this case it was probably a "doesn't it
look even sleeker without a removeable battery door" issue!)

> most likely a closed system
> where only widgets are allowed (no real programs), but that's just me.


That's also just speculation. 3rd party developers have managed to
create a thriving software community for iPod add-ons- they must be
chafing at the bit to develop for this thing!

> Seems like Apple is doing a good enough job crippling it on their own
> without Cingulars help.

That remains to be seen. I suspect the hackers will have this thing
unlocked within weeks of it's release, and/or offshore grey-market
unlocked versions offered by foreign carriers will be sold here at a
premium virtually instantaneously.


--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

In article <[email protected]>,
"BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Edgar wrote:
> > "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> In article <[email protected]>,
> >> "Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:05:17 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:38:34 -0800, SMS
> >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> P.Schuman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Keynote is over, Apple.com has been updated:
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It's listed as a GSM device,
> >>>>>>>> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
> >>>>>>> The strangest thing is that it's not 3G. It's only EDGE.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ummm.. It's also WiFi 802.11c and g
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use
> >>>>> Cingular's HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports
> >>>>> on the iPhone said that there would be two versions, a lower cost
> >>>>> EDGE version, and a higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version
> >>>>> is the follow-on product, but spending $600 for a phone without
> >>>>> 3G is ludicrous.
> >>>>
> >>>> Its not just a phone, its all of a Blackberry, an iPod, a PDA, a
> >>>> phone, and a true html browser that fits in your pocket at 5
> >>>> ounces.. Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.
> >>>>
> >>>> They are hints and rumors that 3G and GPS are
> >>>> on the way, whether that can be done by firmware upgrade or next
> >>>> years model isn't clear yet.
> >>>
> >>> To me a phone like this with all it's functionality should allow
> >>> you to install programs for it to be a pocket pc. According to
> >>> several sources, it
> >>> is a closed system (like the iPod) and the only functionality
> >>> you'll get is
> >>> whatever Apple gives to you. Definitely not for power users, but
> >>> probably
> >>> perfect for all the people who prefer Apple to run their iLives.
> >>>
> >> Unless you buy a PDA, all the phones are "closed."
> >
> > Which is exactly what I was referring to, there is no comparing the
> > iPhone to a standard cell phone, even something like the Choclate or
> > the enV. The iPhone is competing with Blackberry's (closed systems)
> > and PPCs (open system). I do own a PDA, and I enjoy putting whatever
> > I want on there (limited to the amount of memory I have of course).
> > There is easily a market for this nice looking phone, but it's not
> > revolutionary.
> > --
> > Edgar
>
> Good or bad, mobile devices have become little more than pocket vending
> machines selling impulse products. As such, a mobile iPod is simply an
> extension of the tethered iPod with even more product selection and is
> sure to be a hit with the 14-29 demographic. In this whole thread,
> nobody has even mentioned a concern for call quality and fidelity or
> reception capabilities - things that old farts like me put first.

We all want quality and when we can get our hands on the iPhone,
each will determine for themselves if it falls into that category.
I tell ya, apple must be on the right track if they can get an old fart
like you fired up! Relax old man, step away from the rotary dial. ;-)

ru2b12 wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Edgar wrote:
>>> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> "Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:05:17 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:38:34 -0800, SMS
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> P.Schuman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Keynote is over, Apple.com has been updated:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's listed as a GSM device,
>>>>>>>>>> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
>>>>>>>>> The strangest thing is that it's not 3G. It's only EDGE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ummm.. It's also WiFi 802.11c and g
>>>>>>> Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use
>>>>>>> Cingular's HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports
>>>>>>> on the iPhone said that there would be two versions, a lower cost
>>>>>>> EDGE version, and a higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version
>>>>>>> is the follow-on product, but spending $600 for a phone without
>>>>>>> 3G is ludicrous.
>>>>>> Its not just a phone, its all of a Blackberry, an iPod, a PDA, a
>>>>>> phone, and a true html browser that fits in your pocket at 5
>>>>>> ounces.. Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are hints and rumors that 3G and GPS are
>>>>>> on the way, whether that can be done by firmware upgrade or next
>>>>>> years model isn't clear yet.
>>>>> To me a phone like this with all it's functionality should allow
>>>>> you to install programs for it to be a pocket pc. According to
>>>>> several sources, it
>>>>> is a closed system (like the iPod) and the only functionality
>>>>> you'll get is
>>>>> whatever Apple gives to you. Definitely not for power users, but
>>>>> probably
>>>>> perfect for all the people who prefer Apple to run their iLives.
>>>>>
>>>> Unless you buy a PDA, all the phones are "closed."
>>> Which is exactly what I was referring to, there is no comparing the
>>> iPhone to a standard cell phone, even something like the Choclate or
>>> the enV. The iPhone is competing with Blackberry's (closed systems)
>>> and PPCs (open system). I do own a PDA, and I enjoy putting whatever
>>> I want on there (limited to the amount of memory I have of course).
>>> There is easily a market for this nice looking phone, but it's not
>>> revolutionary.
>>> --
>>> Edgar
>> Good or bad, mobile devices have become little more than pocket vending
>> machines selling impulse products. As such, a mobile iPod is simply an
>> extension of the tethered iPod with even more product selection and is
>> sure to be a hit with the 14-29 demographic. In this whole thread,
>> nobody has even mentioned a concern for call quality and fidelity or
>> reception capabilities - things that old farts like me put first.
>
> We all want quality and when we can get our hands on the iPhone,
> each will determine for themselves if it falls into that category.
> I tell ya, apple must be on the right track if they can get an old fart
> like you fired up! Relax old man, step away from the rotary dial. ;-)


Rotary dial? I seen one in the city last week. Mabel down at Phone
Central is still connecting calls to the feed store. Two shorts and a
long. Yeeeee Hawww!

--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'

In article <[email protected]>,
"Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:05:17 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>[email protected] wrote:
> >> >>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:38:34 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> P.Schuman wrote:
> >> >>>>>> Keynote is over, Apple.com has been updated:
> >> >>>>>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>> It's listed as a GSM device,
> >> >>>>> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
> >> >>>> The strangest thing is that it's not 3G. It's only EDGE.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ummm.. It's also WiFi 802.11c and g
> >> >>
> >> >>Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use Cingular's
> >> >>HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports on the iPhone
> >> >>said that there would be two versions, a lower cost EDGE version, and a
> >> >>higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version is the follow-on product,
> >> >>but spending $600 for a phone without 3G is ludicrous.
> >> >
> >> > Its not just a phone, its all of a Blackberry, an iPod, a PDA, a
> >> > phone, and a true html browser that fits in your pocket at 5 ounces..
> >> > Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.
> >> >
> >> > They are hints and rumors that 3G and GPS are
> >> > on the way, whether that can be done by firmware upgrade or next years
> >> > model isn't clear yet.
> >>
> >> To me a phone like this with all it's functionality should allow you to
> >> install programs for it to be a pocket pc. According to several sources,
> >> it
> >> is a closed system (like the iPod) and the only functionality you'll get
> >> is
> >> whatever Apple gives to you. Definitely not for power users, but
> >> probably
> >> perfect for all the people who prefer Apple to run their iLives.
> >>
> > Unless you buy a PDA, all the phones are "closed."
>
> Which is exactly what I was referring to, there is no comparing the iPhone
> to a standard cell phone, even something like the Choclate or the enV. The
> iPhone is competing with Blackberry's (closed systems) and PPCs (open
> system). I do own a PDA, and I enjoy putting whatever I want on there
> (limited to the amount of memory I have of course). There is easily a
> market for this nice looking phone, but it's not revolutionary.
>
I have a Treo 650 and I'd switch to get what the Apple unit offers. No
love lost. If the reality is close to the hype, I'm there.

--
To reply by email, remove the word "space"

In article <[email protected]>,
ru2b12 <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Edgar wrote:
> > > "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > >> In article <[email protected]>,
> > >> "Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >>> news:[email protected]...
> > >>>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:05:17 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> [email protected] wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:38:34 -0800, SMS
> > >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> P.Schuman wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> Keynote is over, Apple.com has been updated:
> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> It's listed as a GSM device,
> > >>>>>>>> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
> > >>>>>>> The strangest thing is that it's not 3G. It's only EDGE.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ummm.. It's also WiFi 802.11c and g
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use
> > >>>>> Cingular's HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports
> > >>>>> on the iPhone said that there would be two versions, a lower cost
> > >>>>> EDGE version, and a higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version
> > >>>>> is the follow-on product, but spending $600 for a phone without
> > >>>>> 3G is ludicrous.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Its not just a phone, its all of a Blackberry, an iPod, a PDA, a
> > >>>> phone, and a true html browser that fits in your pocket at 5
> > >>>> ounces.. Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> They are hints and rumors that 3G and GPS are
> > >>>> on the way, whether that can be done by firmware upgrade or next
> > >>>> years model isn't clear yet.
> > >>>
> > >>> To me a phone like this with all it's functionality should allow
> > >>> you to install programs for it to be a pocket pc. According to
> > >>> several sources, it
> > >>> is a closed system (like the iPod) and the only functionality
> > >>> you'll get is
> > >>> whatever Apple gives to you. Definitely not for power users, but
> > >>> probably
> > >>> perfect for all the people who prefer Apple to run their iLives.
> > >>>
> > >> Unless you buy a PDA, all the phones are "closed."
> > >
> > > Which is exactly what I was referring to, there is no comparing the
> > > iPhone to a standard cell phone, even something like the Choclate or
> > > the enV. The iPhone is competing with Blackberry's (closed systems)
> > > and PPCs (open system). I do own a PDA, and I enjoy putting whatever
> > > I want on there (limited to the amount of memory I have of course).
> > > There is easily a market for this nice looking phone, but it's not
> > > revolutionary.
> > > --
> > > Edgar
> >
> > Good or bad, mobile devices have become little more than pocket vending
> > machines selling impulse products. As such, a mobile iPod is simply an
> > extension of the tethered iPod with even more product selection and is
> > sure to be a hit with the 14-29 demographic. In this whole thread,
> > nobody has even mentioned a concern for call quality and fidelity or
> > reception capabilities - things that old farts like me put first.
>
> We all want quality and when we can get our hands on the iPhone,
> each will determine for themselves if it falls into that category.
> I tell ya, apple must be on the right track if they can get an old fart
> like you fired up! Relax old man, step away from the rotary dial. ;-)

The quality issue is paramount with me. Plus, the regualar Cingular
phones generally have the most god-awful, unintuitive interface designs.
Apple trumps everyone in this department.

--
To reply by email, remove the word "space"

In article <[email protected]>,
Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> Unless you buy a PDA, all the phones are "closed."

It depends on what you mean by "closed". With Sprint, for example, you
can get developer documentation and tools for free, by joining their
free developer program. You can then write Java programs, and download
them to many (most?) of their non-PDA phones. The programs do not have
to be downloaded through Sprint or signed by them.

However, the programs do not have full access to the phone. If you
wanted to do something like, say, a replacement for the phone's address
book, or a replacement for its ring system, or something like that, I
don't think you could.

--
--Tim Smith

In article <[email protected]>,
Don <[email protected]> wrote:
> So does the Treo 700P - and on Spritns fast network.
>
> The Treo does everything the Ipod phone does - except that the
> earpiece jack is real flimsy.

How's the browser on the 700P? On my Treo 650, it is not very
impressive. Unless the 700P is a lot better than the 650 in this area,
the iPhone looks like it blows it away.

And how about syncing? Palm seems to treat Macs as an afterthought.
Their sync software sucks. Sprint sometimes seem to think Macs don't
exist. I don't think this will be a problem with the iPhone.

How's the 700P as a music player? With the 650, basically if you get
MP3 files to it, it can play them. I don't see anything in the
documentation about it working with any particular software on the PC or
Mac to organize music, though. So, if you are using some program to
manage your music, it looks like is up to you to find the files and tell
the Palm software to transfer them.

The iPhone, on the other hand, *is* an iPod. It will work with iTunes
to manage music.

--
--Tim Smith

ru2b12 wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
<snip>>
>> Good or bad, mobile devices have become little more than pocket
>> vending machines selling impulse products. As such, a mobile iPod is
>> simply an extension of the tethered iPod with even more product
>> selection and is sure to be a hit with the 14-29 demographic. In
>> this whole thread, nobody has even mentioned a concern for call
>> quality and fidelity or reception capabilities - things that old
>> farts like me put first.
>
> We all want quality and when we can get our hands on the iPhone,
> each will determine for themselves if it falls into that category.
> I tell ya, apple must be on the right track if they can get an old
> fart like you fired up!
>
>Relax old man, step away from the rotary
> dial. ;-)

But the iPod already has a rotary dial - the "click wheel!"
I'm not all that fired up but only because it's an Apple product. The
one experience I had with an iPod Mini convinced me that they consider
customers to merely be an annoyance when it comes to honoring
warranties. I won't go into detail here but 4 returns for the same
repeatedly unfixed problem is just too much to take. The biggest
benefit to their announcement is that the slick interface and features -
which indeed look very nice - will soon be copied by other manufacturers
who respect their customers with products that will actually work the
way WE want them to.

Larry wrote:
> Thanks! My buddy's little girl got a Nano for Christmas. I'll see if I
> can get her downloaded MP3s working on it this weekend.

Although I personally don't own an iPod, I'm pretty sure they play mp3s
natively. You're not the only person to think that iPod's don't play
mp3s, I've had other friends with that misconception too. Although part
of the blame can be placed on apple, the first generation could not,
and that stigma stuck with them. Also due to the fact that apple
probably downplays the fact that they play mp3s, so that people will
buy songs from iTunes.

As long as you enter the mp3 into ITunes, the song is transferred to
the Ipod and will play. You can also use the Ipod as a hard drive with
extra add on software. Will be a great phone with excellent battery
life and a strong 3.5mm external headphone jack unlike the flimsy 2.5
mm plug in port of the Treos.


On 10 Jan 2007 23:26:11 -0800, "Bucky" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Larry wrote:
>> Thanks! My buddy's little girl got a Nano for Christmas. I'll see if I
>> can get her downloaded MP3s working on it this weekend.
>
>Although I personally don't own an iPod, I'm pretty sure they play mp3s
>natively. You're not the only person to think that iPod's don't play
>mp3s, I've had other friends with that misconception too. Although part
>of the blame can be placed on apple, the first generation could not,
>and that stigma stuck with them. Also due to the fact that apple
>probably downplays the fact that they play mp3s, so that people will
>buy songs from iTunes.

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:23:17 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
imagined:

>P.Schuman wrote:
>>> Keynote is over, Apple.com has been updated:
>>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>>>
>> It's listed as a GSM device,
>> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
>
>I was in BJ's, next to Apple's campus in Cupertino, about six months ago
>and I overheard some Apple people talking about the iPhone, and Verizon.
>They had pitched it to Verizon, but Verizon made some unacceptable demands:
>
>1. Bluetooth needed to be disabled, except for the headset.
>2. Music could only be downloaded from Verizon's music service
>3. WiFi would be disabled anytime the device detected Verizon's network
>4. The OS would have to be Windows Embedded
>5. Every photo taken would have to be immediately transferred across
>Verizon's network
>6. No roaming onto any non-Verizon CDMA network, even at extra cost


You sure took good notes about what you "overheard". If it was true,
any of them could have been fired for such loose lips. And Apple
will come after you if any of this is true. Likely story.
Take your dream fantasies elsewhere.

The phone was GSM long ago, and so I fail to believe that 6 months ago
it might have switched to CDMA (with extra cost from Qualcom).

Cingular made zero restrictions on Apple other than a USA exclusivity
through 2008.

==============

Also interesting that Apple, first shot out of the box has a better
PDA/Phone etc, than Microsoft has with Windows CE 5.

At 11 Jan 2007 14:50:25 +0000 [email protected] wrote:

> Also interesting that Apple, first shot out of the box has a better
> PDA/Phone etc, than Microsoft has with Windows CE 5.

Perhaps true, but I find it inteesting that everyone is in love with a
device that they haven't seen or used in person let. I'll bet the Newton
performed admirably at it's staged introduction too! ;-)

Seriously, I'll bet it's a wonderful product, but let's not go too ga-ga
over a unit that is still six months away.


--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com