True SMS coming to SprintPCS

Possibly, of course. A rep in NYC today told me that the Nokia 3585i
replacement (due in a week or so) will support true mobile originated SMS.
The SMS service itself will be activated sometime in November.

Let's hope this is true. Even if they charge $5/month for it it will make
sense. Technically, it should be easy to do. If they can make PTT work as
Voice over IP on the network, simple messaging over IP should be a no
brainer.

Last word of advice to SprintPCS, in case you are reading the group: your
company seems to be making a lot of choices on behalf of the consumers. A
better approach will be to offer these optional services (like true SMS,
bluetooth phones, mp3 phones, etc) for a fee and then see if we, the users,
are willing to pay for them.

Good luck.

Vassil

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In article <[email protected]>,
Vassil <[email protected]> wrote:

> Possibly, of course. A rep in NYC today told me that the Nokia 3585i
> replacement (due in a week or so) will support true mobile originated SMS.
> The SMS service itself will be activated sometime in November.


Rule number one in electronics. Don't buy promises.

Vassil <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:

>
> Last word of advice to SprintPCS, in case you are reading the group: your
> company seems to be making a lot of choices on behalf of the consumers. A
> better approach will be to offer these optional services (like true SMS,
> bluetooth phones, mp3 phones, etc) for a fee and then see if we, the users,
> are willing to pay for them.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Vassil

As I understand it, the company thinks it's already tried this. I've
brought up the Uproar phone before. Maybe it wasn't the right time, or
not the right phone. Either way, that seems to be the feedback I get.

I agree, though. I wish we would "take a shot" at some of the fancy
stuff we see showing up in other countries.

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robjvargas@sprîntpcs.côm (O/Siris .) wrote in
> As I understand it, the company thinks it's already tried this. I've
> brought up the Uproar phone before. Maybe it wasn't the right time,
> or not the right phone. Either way, that seems to be the feedback I
> get.
>
> I agree, though. I wish we would "take a shot" at some of the fancy
> stuff we see showing up in other countries.

Totally. The Uproar phone had a bad user interface, difficult to use
software and mp3s were not that big at the time. Yet, I find the ability
to listen to music on the go much more useful that taking these low
resolution, weak flash at best photos, that seem to be currently in vogue.

Another really useful feature would be infrared connectivity. Nearly as
fast as USB but without the cables and significantly cheaper that BT. Why
can't we have that?

Vassil <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> robjvargas@sprîntpcs.côm (O/Siris .) wrote in
> Totally. The Uproar phone had a bad user interface, difficult to use
> software and mp3s were not that big at the time. Yet, I find the ability
> to listen to music on the go much more useful that taking these low
> resolution, weak flash at best photos, that seem to be currently in vogue.
>
> Another really useful feature would be infrared connectivity. Nearly as
> fast as USB but without the cables and significantly cheaper that BT. Why
> can't we have that?
>

Another issue with the Uproar, they marketed that incorrectly.

Poor marketing led to poor sales, which is why Samsung didn't attempt to
improve the handset.

I'll agree, SprintPCS should take a few more risks. They used ot be a
technology leader, but are starting to fall behind.

And you gave me an idea for another poll.. Thank you..

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Vassil <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
> Totally. The Uproar phone had a bad user interface, difficult to use
> software and mp3s were not that big at the time. Yet, I find the ability
> to listen to music on the go much more useful that taking these low
> resolution, weak flash at best photos, that seem to be currently in vogue.
>
> Another really useful feature would be infrared connectivity. Nearly as
> fast as USB but without the cables and significantly cheaper that BT. Why
> can't we have that?
>

Well.. our PDA's have IR ports, but I understand what you mean. And
maybe take a few chances with interface options. Like the Nokia 6800:

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?id=224

Or something truly visionary, like maybe:

http://www.3gtoday.com/devices/devices/device1622.html

Those kinds of funky ways to use your phones would represent a truly
different way of looking at one's phone, and at its features.

We've got a network that can be *so* capable, especially compared to
anything else on the market right now. I wish we had phones that would
at least make an effort to really use it.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Vassil <[email protected]> wrote:

> Another really useful feature would be infrared connectivity. Nearly as
> fast as USB but without the cables and significantly cheaper that BT. Why
> can't we have that?

All the PALM PDA phones have it. Samsung I330, Treo 300 etc.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (SprintPCS Tech) wrote:

> I'll agree, SprintPCS should take a few more risks. They used ot be a
> technology leader, but are starting to fall behind.

Such a negative comment. Rob could jump on this.

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:22:54 GMT, Vassil <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Last word of advice to SprintPCS, in case you are reading the group: your
>company seems to be making a lot of choices on behalf of the consumers. A
>better approach will be to offer these optional services (like true SMS,
>bluetooth phones, mp3 phones, etc) for a fee and then see if we, the users,
>are willing to pay for them.

The trouble is, the uptake of phones like these aren't nearly as
"rabid" as the Japanese market, and even there carriers have to
subsidize the phones to make the price attractive.

I'm not pleased at the idea that my mobile phone bill would be higher
to subsidize a "higher end" phone so that a mobile phone manufacturer
would produce it for an unknown number of subscribers.

Sprint PCS wanted to bring out a BlueTooth phone, but Sony-Ericsson
"pulled the plug" on the ENTIRE North American market, not just the
U.S.

Srdechni pozdravi!

Vassil <[email protected]> wrote:
> Possibly, of course. A rep in NYC today told me that the Nokia 3585i
> replacement (due in a week or so) will support true mobile originated SMS.
> The SMS service itself will be activated sometime in November.

It's about freakin' time. I wonder how they're going to price it.

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P Reality <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (SprintPCS Tech) wrote:
>
> > I'll agree, SprintPCS should take a few more risks. They used ot be a
> > technology leader, but are starting to fall behind.
>
> Such a negative comment. Rob could jump on this.

I already did. And agreed. I don't agree that we're falling behind...
yet. But I agree overall that we should take a chance or two on a
"radical" phone.

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Vassil <[email protected]> wrote:

> A
> better approach will be to offer these optional services (like true SMS,
> bluetooth phones, mp3 phones, etc) for a fee and then see if we, the users,
> are willing to pay for them.

That's pretty bad business advice. So, Sprint pays a large sum of money
to R&D new services...and then roll it out to see if the customer will
use it. The customer doesn't. Sunk cost.

So Sprint pays a lot of money to work with manufacturer X on phone Y.
They roll out the handset. It bombs. Sunk cost.

You have enough of these sunk costs, you end up with a sunk company.

Joel

In article <1g1ee1m.3ttkd01j4ki2kN%[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Joel Horner) wrote:

> Vassil <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > A
> > better approach will be to offer these optional services (like true SMS,
> > bluetooth phones, mp3 phones, etc) for a fee and then see if we, the users,
> > are willing to pay for them.
>
> That's pretty bad business advice. So, Sprint pays a large sum of money
> to R&D new services...and then roll it out to see if the customer will
> use it. The customer doesn't. Sunk cost.
>
> So Sprint pays a lot of money to work with manufacturer X on phone Y.
> They roll out the handset. It bombs. Sunk cost.
>
> You have enough of these sunk costs, you end up with a sunk company.

Is Sprint sinking any money into Sanyo's or Samsung's development costs?
Or do the manufacturers do it on their own in the hopes of selling
millions of units to make themselves huge profits.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:41:49 GMT, PHil_Real <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <1g1ee1m.3ttkd01j4ki2kN%[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Joel Horner) wrote:
>
>> Vassil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > A
>> > better approach will be to offer these optional services (like true SMS,
>> > bluetooth phones, mp3 phones, etc) for a fee and then see if we, the users,
>> > are willing to pay for them.
>>
>> That's pretty bad business advice. So, Sprint pays a large sum of money
>> to R&D new services...and then roll it out to see if the customer will
>> use it. The customer doesn't. Sunk cost.
>>
>> So Sprint pays a lot of money to work with manufacturer X on phone Y.
>> They roll out the handset. It bombs. Sunk cost.
>>
>> You have enough of these sunk costs, you end up with a sunk company.
>
>Is Sprint sinking any money into Sanyo's or Samsung's development costs?
>Or do the manufacturers do it on their own in the hopes of selling
>millions of units to make themselves huge profits.

In Japan the phone companies sink some money into phone development.
Smart manufacturers in Japan make as many components as they can
common between carriers, changing out the minimum necessary for each
carrier.

Some of the Sanyo phone marketed in Japan almost identical to those
marketed in the States, so some smart cost savings accrue to Sanyo.

I don't know if Verizon Wireless sinks any money into Motorola, but
you'll note that the color screen flip Motorola that Verizon had a few
months ago looks almost identical to the similarly numbered Motorola
for the TDMA/GSM US market.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:41:49 GMT, PHil_Real <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <1g1ee1m.3ttkd01j4ki2kN%[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] (Joel Horner) wrote:
> >
> >> Vassil <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > A
> >> > better approach will be to offer these optional services (like true SMS,
> >> > bluetooth phones, mp3 phones, etc) for a fee and then see if we, the
> >> > users,
> >> > are willing to pay for them.
> >>
> >> That's pretty bad business advice. So, Sprint pays a large sum of money
> >> to R&D new services...and then roll it out to see if the customer will
> >> use it. The customer doesn't. Sunk cost.
> >>
> >> So Sprint pays a lot of money to work with manufacturer X on phone Y.
> >> They roll out the handset. It bombs. Sunk cost.
> >>
> >> You have enough of these sunk costs, you end up with a sunk company.
> >
> >Is Sprint sinking any money into Sanyo's or Samsung's development costs?
> >Or do the manufacturers do it on their own in the hopes of selling
> >millions of units to make themselves huge profits.
>
> In Japan the phone companies sink some money into phone development.
> Smart manufacturers in Japan make as many components as they can
> common between carriers, changing out the minimum necessary for each
> carrier.
>
> Some of the Sanyo phone marketed in Japan almost identical to those
> marketed in the States, so some smart cost savings accrue to Sanyo.
>
> I don't know if Verizon Wireless sinks any money into Motorola, but
> you'll note that the color screen flip Motorola that Verizon had a few
> months ago looks almost identical to the similarly numbered Motorola
> for the TDMA/GSM US market.


The question remains: Does Sprint fund any cell phone hardware
development?