DEBATE!! Nokia user friendly?

ok, many of die-hard nokia users claimed that nokia is SUPER user friendly in terms of its s/w. I beg to differ. Comments welcome but not hostility.

i have used Nokia (3650, 3530, 6610), Motorola (T720i), Panasonic (GD88), Sony Ericsson (T610, T300/310), Samsung (V200, S200/300, T100, N620)

3 things about Nokia user menu which I find particularly non-user friendly.
1. SMS. after typing and sending, text does not disappear or return to SMS menu. either u "clear" all or "option->clear text". worse, some users not sure whether sms already sent or not, send 1 more time, resulting in receiving 2 same sms.

2. Menu. the menu (other than 60 series) does not show all available options, unlike Sony Ericsson, Motorola and Panasonic. U need to scroll 1 by 1 to find the item u need. = extra key press. like panasonic GD, once enter menu, juz scroll left/right, up/down and select.

3. shortcut key. in the menu, when a list of commands is available, nokia seems does not support using number shortcut keys. u need to scroll faithfully to the option and choose the option.
i would prefer "options->3", for example.

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well, you DID say comments were welcome, so...

Originally posted by mmfmaniac
3 things about Nokia user menu which I find particularly non-user friendly.
1. SMS. after typing and sending, text does not disappear or return to SMS menu. either u "clear" all or "option->clear text". worse, some users not sure whether sms already sent or not, send 1 more time, resulting in receiving 2 same sms.

you're right about the text not disappearing, however - you DO get a "message sent successfully" (or something like that; i get german text), or a loud, annoying "beep!" if it wasn't, so that's hardly an excuse for sending the same message twice.

Originally posted by mmfmaniac 2. Menu. the menu (other than 60 series) does not show all available options, unlike Sony Ericsson, Motorola and Panasonic. U need to scroll 1 by 1 to find the item u need.

you're right on that one. personally, i don't mind, though: see #3.

Originally posted by mmfmaniac 3. shortcut key. in the menu, when a list of commands is available, nokia seems does not support using number shortcut keys. u need to scroll faithfully to the option and choose the option.
i would prefer "options->3", for example.

you're wrong here - my good old 3310 does support shortcut keys.
menu-5-4 will direct you straight to the ringtone editor; press menu-2-1, and start typing in the SMS-text; etc.

i don't know about the models you mentioned; i've had my phone for three years and i wouldn't dream of getting any other model.


the only personal experience i have with none-nokia-phones was with the "ancient" motorola cd930 i used before.

the stupid thing wouldn't even let you reply to a message, or type a message and send it to someone whose number you have in your phonebook.
no, you had to type in the number manually...

needless to say, i was glad to get rid of it!



have a good one,

EnigmaticAngel

Fortunately, nokia are using the tile menu in their new 6230(s40).

Actually I got to admit the Nokia is userfriendly. I got a Samsung C100 and Nokia 6610. The C100 is onpar with features with the 6610 and even outmatches it(65k, 40poly). But my Nokia has an easy to use interface, which even my mom llikes. On the other hand, only I use the Samsung. The sms thingy was actually added as a feature. Suppose you are typing an sms and stop 1/2 way. You can continue later. That was the idea behind the sms autosaving thingy

I think nokia are very user friendly! I love mine

After the countless models of cell phones that Nokia has produced they have managed to keep a consistent, straight-foward, and easily navigated menu throughout all the phones. If you have owned a Nokia cell phone before chances are that you'll feel very accustomed to using the newer models.

Thanks for ur replies!!

To EnigmaticAng:

>>you're right about the text not disappearing, however - you DO get a "message sent successfully" (or something like that; i get german text), or a loud, annoying "beep!" if it wasn't, so that's hardly an excuse for sending the same message twice.

How about having to delete the typed text?

>>you're wrong here - my good old 3310 does support shortcut keys.

I presume this model uses the layered menu of 1.1, 2.5.4 and so on? Yes the old s/w does have this feature. the latest 30/40 series no more.

To starkisttuna

Why make you say so?

To mcb_ucb

>>After the countless models of cell phones that Nokia has produced they have managed to keep a consistent, straight-foward, and easily navigated menu throughout all the phones. If you have owned a Nokia cell phone before chances are that you'll feel very accustomed to using the newer models.

For this, I agree. it's the s/w consistency that makes changing models easy. It also port those annoying features continously.

Originally posted by mmfmaniac
To EnigmaticAngel:

How about having to delete the typed text?

well, we ARE talking about typing a message on a phone.

you'll need to press a key at least once to get the letter you want. to *****, say, " hello ", you need to press 4 twice, 3 twice, 5 three times, again 5 three times, and finally 6 3 times. (not using T9, because i really hate the thing )
that's 13 keypresses for one single word.

nevermind another four! (menu-up-up-ok)


-EnigmaticAngel (whose username somehow got cut off when registering... )

Which Nokia does not support shortcut keys?
Every one does. Even the S30, S40 ones do, though not sure about S60.

And what's so annoying about the Message options, typing and deleting?
EnigmaticAngel if you don't like to punch in so many keys you should get yourself the Nokia 6820 (no complains, it's got everything right from BT to CIF cam, and even SyncML)

Originally posted by ski_power
And what's so annoying about the Message options, typing and deleting?
EnigmaticAngel if you don't like to punch in so many keys you should get yourself the Nokia 6820 (no complains, it's got everything right from BT to CIF cam, and even SyncML)

i didn't say i don't like punching keys!

in fact, i hardly ever send SMS anyway, because just calling someone (or better yet, having someone call me) is way less expensive.


i was just pointing out that IF you type a message, having to delete the previous text by pressing another 4 keys hardly matters anyway.
therefore, i don't consider having to delete the text "non-user-friendly". but that's me.


thanks for the tip, though - if i ever decide to get a new phone, i'll try to remember!


-EnigmaticAngel

Oh, ok.
Well then...
If that is a problem(or boring) you could hold the back button(clear button) for 2 seconds and the screen will get cleared.

Enigmaticangel said:
in fact, i hardly ever send SMS anyway, because just calling someone (or better yet, having someone call me) is way less expensive.

Smart idea. Actually that's what I do. Give a missed call on the landline and due to human psychology the other party calls back.
But they should have CLIP else plan failure is bound to be.

And why don't yoooou like T9. It's really convenient and fast. On Nokia you can also add new words, which is a good thing.
Practice and you will become a T9 Master(e.g. Yoda, really he can type fast but he doesn't need to i.e. Telepathy)

Originally posted by ski_power
Give a missed call on the landline and due to human psychology the other party calls back.
But they should have CLIP else plan failure is bound to be.

well, duh.

still, sending one single message costs as much as 3 min. talking to someone i called myself, so even if they don't call me back, it's cheaper than SMS.

Originally posted by ski_power
And why don't yoooou like T9. It's really convenient and fast. On Nokia you can also add new words, which is a good thing.

point is - i use SMS mostly to send binary code. you know, mono-ringtones, operator logos and such.
T9 doesn't know these codes, of course. it keeps getting in the way.
so i just switched it off, end of story!


-EnigmaticAngel

Ok, cooooooooooool. True that T9 comes in the way. But sending binary code(ie punching them), is very time consuming.
i mean ringtones need to start with something like:
//SCKL9901
1253409810981236509871235....

with some alphabets thrown in between.
You could rather use the Composer if you have a BW cell

Originally posted by ski_power
i mean ringtones need to start with something like:
//SCKL9901
1253409810981236509871235....

with some alphabets thrown in between.
You could rather use the Composer if you have a BW cell

//SCKL1581 and then some, yeah.
sometimes even two or three messages, depending on the tone you send.


my 3310 does have its own composer - but: it's limited to 50 notes per tone, 3 octaves, and a max. tempo of 225 bpm.

binary format isn't, plus, it also allows you to send Operator Logos, Picture Messages and such.


-EnigmaticAngel

Huh?
you can even send operator logos in binary?
Can you tell me how?, or any appropriate software etc...