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  1. #1
    SMS
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    tavenger5 wrote:

    <snip>

    > You are obviously not aware of other phones on the market then.


    A _lot_ of people got caught up in the hype of iPhone launch, people
    that don't understand about 2G versus 3G, about international roaming
    versus prepaid SIM cards, about the ability to run PDA applications,
    etc. Some bought the iPhone knowing full-well what its limitations were,
    and didn't care.

    It _is_ probably the best hand held device for Wi-Fi web browsing, and
    it probably works as well as any GSM-only phone in the U.S.. You just
    don't want to buy it thinking you're getting a full-function PDA or 3G
    web browser or HSDPA access device.




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  2. #2
    Kurt
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    Re: Apple cuts back production (iPhone)

    In article <[email protected]>,
    SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

    > tavenger5 wrote:
    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > > You are obviously not aware of other phones on the market then.

    >
    > A _lot_ of people got caught up in the hype of iPhone launch, people
    > that don't understand about 2G versus 3G, about international roaming
    > versus prepaid SIM cards, about the ability to run PDA applications,
    > etc. Some bought the iPhone knowing full-well what its limitations were,
    > and didn't care.
    >
    > It _is_ probably the best hand held device for Wi-Fi web browsing, and
    > it probably works as well as any GSM-only phone in the U.S.. You just
    > don't want to buy it thinking you're getting a full-function PDA or 3G
    > web browser or HSDPA access device.
    >

    My "full-function PDA" Treo doesn't work half as well as my wife's
    iPhone.

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  3. #3
    Kevin Weaver
    Guest

    Re: Apple cuts back production (iPhone)

    "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> tavenger5 wrote:
    >>
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >> > You are obviously not aware of other phones on the market then.

    >>
    >> A _lot_ of people got caught up in the hype of iPhone launch, people
    >> that don't understand about 2G versus 3G, about international roaming
    >> versus prepaid SIM cards, about the ability to run PDA applications,
    >> etc. Some bought the iPhone knowing full-well what its limitations were,
    >> and didn't care.
    >>
    >> It _is_ probably the best hand held device for Wi-Fi web browsing, and
    >> it probably works as well as any GSM-only phone in the U.S.. You just
    >> don't want to buy it thinking you're getting a full-function PDA or 3G
    >> web browser or HSDPA access device.
    >>

    > My "full-function PDA" Treo doesn't work half as well as my wife's
    > iPhone.
    >
    > --
    > To reply by email, remove the word "space"



    Better go get one before they stop production.




  4. #4
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: Apple cuts back production (iPhone)

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> tavenger5 wrote:
    > >>
    > >> <snip>
    > >>
    > >> > You are obviously not aware of other phones on the market then.
    > >>
    > >> A _lot_ of people got caught up in the hype of iPhone launch, people
    > >> that don't understand about 2G versus 3G, about international roaming
    > >> versus prepaid SIM cards, about the ability to run PDA applications,
    > >> etc. Some bought the iPhone knowing full-well what its limitations were,
    > >> and didn't care.
    > >>
    > >> It _is_ probably the best hand held device for Wi-Fi web browsing, and
    > >> it probably works as well as any GSM-only phone in the U.S.. You just
    > >> don't want to buy it thinking you're getting a full-function PDA or 3G
    > >> web browser or HSDPA access device.
    > >>

    > > My "full-function PDA" Treo doesn't work half as well as my wife's
    > > iPhone.
    > >
    > > --
    > > To reply by email, remove the word "space"

    >
    >
    > Better go get one before they stop production.


    Have one. Will buy another this month. Treo was pain this last trip, had
    to keep borrowing wife's iPhone. Have you ever used an iPhone and PDA
    side-by-side and compared how they work?

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  5. #5
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Apple cuts back production (iPhone)

    Kurt wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> In article <[email protected]>,
    >>> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> tavenger5 wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> <snip>
    >>>>
    >>>>> You are obviously not aware of other phones on the market then.
    >>>> A _lot_ of people got caught up in the hype of iPhone launch, people
    >>>> that don't understand about 2G versus 3G, about international roaming
    >>>> versus prepaid SIM cards, about the ability to run PDA applications,
    >>>> etc. Some bought the iPhone knowing full-well what its limitations were,
    >>>> and didn't care.
    >>>>
    >>>> It _is_ probably the best hand held device for Wi-Fi web browsing, and
    >>>> it probably works as well as any GSM-only phone in the U.S.. You just
    >>>> don't want to buy it thinking you're getting a full-function PDA or 3G
    >>>> web browser or HSDPA access device.
    >>>>
    >>> My "full-function PDA" Treo doesn't work half as well as my wife's
    >>> iPhone.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> To reply by email, remove the word "space"

    >>
    >> Better go get one before they stop production.

    >
    > Have one. Will buy another this month. Treo was pain this last trip, had
    > to keep borrowing wife's iPhone. Have you ever used an iPhone and PDA
    > side-by-side and compared how they work?


    For web browsing the iPhone is much better. If you need to do e-mail, or
    use other PDA functions, the Treo (or Blackberry) is much better.



  6. #6
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: Apple cuts back production (iPhone)

    In article <[email protected]>,
    SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Kurt wrote:
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> news:[email protected]...
    > >>> In article <[email protected]>,
    > >>> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>> tavenger5 wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>> <snip>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>> You are obviously not aware of other phones on the market then.
    > >>>> A _lot_ of people got caught up in the hype of iPhone launch, people
    > >>>> that don't understand about 2G versus 3G, about international roaming
    > >>>> versus prepaid SIM cards, about the ability to run PDA applications,
    > >>>> etc. Some bought the iPhone knowing full-well what its limitations were,
    > >>>> and didn't care.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> It _is_ probably the best hand held device for Wi-Fi web browsing, and
    > >>>> it probably works as well as any GSM-only phone in the U.S.. You just
    > >>>> don't want to buy it thinking you're getting a full-function PDA or 3G
    > >>>> web browser or HSDPA access device.
    > >>>>
    > >>> My "full-function PDA" Treo doesn't work half as well as my wife's
    > >>> iPhone.
    > >>>
    > >>> --
    > >>> To reply by email, remove the word "space"
    > >>
    > >> Better go get one before they stop production.

    > >
    > > Have one. Will buy another this month. Treo was pain this last trip, had
    > > to keep borrowing wife's iPhone. Have you ever used an iPhone and PDA
    > > side-by-side and compared how they work?

    >
    > For web browsing the iPhone is much better. If you need to do e-mail, or
    > use other PDA functions, the Treo (or Blackberry) is much better.


    You know how it is when you were once thrilled with something and then
    something else came along and changed the way you felt things had to be?
    iPhone did this to me.

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  7. #7
    Kevin Weaver
    Guest

    Re: Apple cuts back production (iPhone)

    "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> > In article <[email protected]>,
    >> > SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> tavenger5 wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> <snip>
    >> >>
    >> >> > You are obviously not aware of other phones on the market then.
    >> >>
    >> >> A _lot_ of people got caught up in the hype of iPhone launch, people
    >> >> that don't understand about 2G versus 3G, about international roaming
    >> >> versus prepaid SIM cards, about the ability to run PDA applications,
    >> >> etc. Some bought the iPhone knowing full-well what its limitations
    >> >> were,
    >> >> and didn't care.
    >> >>
    >> >> It _is_ probably the best hand held device for Wi-Fi web browsing, and
    >> >> it probably works as well as any GSM-only phone in the U.S.. You just
    >> >> don't want to buy it thinking you're getting a full-function PDA or 3G
    >> >> web browser or HSDPA access device.
    >> >>
    >> > My "full-function PDA" Treo doesn't work half as well as my wife's
    >> > iPhone.
    >> >
    >> > --
    >> > To reply by email, remove the word "space"

    >>
    >>
    >> Better go get one before they stop production.

    >
    > Have one. Will buy another this month. Treo was pain this last trip, had
    > to keep borrowing wife's iPhone. Have you ever used an iPhone and PDA
    > side-by-side and compared how they work?
    >
    > --
    > To reply by email, remove the word "space"


    You could not give me a iphone.





  8. #8
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: Apple cuts back production (iPhone)

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> news:[email protected]...
    > >> > In article <[email protected]>,
    > >> > SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> tavenger5 wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> <snip>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> > You are obviously not aware of other phones on the market then.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> A _lot_ of people got caught up in the hype of iPhone launch, people
    > >> >> that don't understand about 2G versus 3G, about international roaming
    > >> >> versus prepaid SIM cards, about the ability to run PDA applications,
    > >> >> etc. Some bought the iPhone knowing full-well what its limitations
    > >> >> were,
    > >> >> and didn't care.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> It _is_ probably the best hand held device for Wi-Fi web browsing, and
    > >> >> it probably works as well as any GSM-only phone in the U.S.. You just
    > >> >> don't want to buy it thinking you're getting a full-function PDA or 3G
    > >> >> web browser or HSDPA access device.
    > >> >>
    > >> > My "full-function PDA" Treo doesn't work half as well as my wife's
    > >> > iPhone.
    > >> >
    > >> > --
    > >> > To reply by email, remove the word "space"
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Better go get one before they stop production.

    > >
    > > Have one. Will buy another this month. Treo was pain this last trip, had
    > > to keep borrowing wife's iPhone. Have you ever used an iPhone and PDA
    > > side-by-side and compared how they work?
    > >
    > > --
    > > To reply by email, remove the word "space"

    >
    > You could not give me a iphone.


    'Nuff said. :-)

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  9. #9
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: Apple cuts back production (iPhone)

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > > For web browsing the iPhone is much better. If you need to do e-mail, or
    > > > use other PDA functions, the Treo (or Blackberry) is much better.

    > >
    > > You know how it is when you were once thrilled with something and then
    > > something else came along and changed the way you felt things had to be?
    > > iPhone did this to me.

    >
    > In other words, YOU never needed a PDA to begin with.
    >
    > What YOU needed all along was a portable web browser, a superior one,
    > with no other functions.


    No, I use many of my PDA functions. I just don't like how they work.
    What is there on a PDA besides voice, email, text, & web (camera doesn't
    really count) that you shouldn't be doing on your laptop. Word or Excel
    on a PDA? Only in desperation.

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  10. #10
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Apple cuts back production (iPhone)

    At 07 Aug 2007 08:29:34 -0700 Kurt wrote:

    > No, I use many of my PDA functions. I just don't like how they work.
    > What is there on a PDA besides voice, email, text, & web (camera
    > doesn't really count)



    What about PIM data and the ability to sync it remotely with your office
    (or home)?

    What about GPS/Nav? (And no, Google Maps with no GPS capability isn't a
    substitute!)

    > that you shouldn't be doing on your laptop.


    IMHO, you're completely missing the point- ideally the PDA should be able
    to replace your laptop when traveling. T ere's nothing more liberating
    tan traveling with just my phone, a charger, my GPS module (uses the same
    mini-USB charger as the phone!) and a small pair of headphones. Laptop?
    We don't need no steenking laptop! ;-)


    > Word or Excel
    > on a PDA? Only in desperation.



    I'm certainly not going to setup a complex spreadsheet from scratch or
    write the Great American Novel on my PPC, but editing documents on the
    fly is certainly handy. I've certainly used Excel on my PPC for data
    collection to be transferred to a PC later.





  11. #11
    Tinman
    Guest

    Re: Apple cuts back production (iPhone)

    "Todd Allcock" wrote:
    > At 07 Aug 2007 08:29:34 -0700 Kurt wrote:
    >
    >> No, I use many of my PDA functions. I just don't like how they work.
    >> What is there on a PDA besides voice, email, text, & web (camera
    >> doesn't really count)

    >
    >
    > What about PIM data and the ability to sync it remotely with your office
    > (or home)?
    >


    Syncing remotely doesn't define what a PDA is or is not. I only used that on
    my PPC when I entered a lot of info on it and was afraid it might crash
    (which I had been bitten by in the past--more than once). If I hadn't
    worried about crashing I would never have gone through the effort of setting
    up remote syncing.

    As far as PIM data, I don't see what the problem is. Without a doubt I
    prefer the contacts app over Winmob's. It compares acceptably to my (Palm)
    Treo's too. Calendar does its job as well. Email works as well or better
    than on the PPCs or Treos I've owned, the last being a Palm Treo. No longer
    do I have to endure Versamail, which reset the my Treo after
    reading/deleting more than 5-10 emails in one session (and once it started
    the only way to fix it was to restore Versamail from a backup).

    The only thing it doesn't have yet is to-do, which I didn't use much anyway
    (though there is at least one to-do widget available).

    Moreover I have been a PDA user since the Newton (I owned plenty of
    "organizers" before that too). I had no problem adapting to the iPhone.


    > What about GPS/Nav? (And no, Google Maps with no GPS capability isn't a
    > substitute!)


    That is not a PDA function. Plenty of non-PDA phones have (real) GPS and
    that doesn't make them a PDA.

    That said the ease of Google maps on the iPhone, along with its seamless
    integration with Contacts, has been "good enough" that I no longer carry my
    all-in-one GPS on trips, which I mainly used for routing. I totally trashed
    the iPhone's lack of GPS and reliance on Google Maps before buying one for
    myself. Yes I had Google Maps on my Treo, but it's just different on the
    iPhone. YMMV.


    --
    Mike





  12. #12
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: Apple cuts back production (iPhone)

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

    > At 07 Aug 2007 08:29:34 -0700 Kurt wrote:
    >
    > > No, I use many of my PDA functions. I just don't like how they work.
    > > What is there on a PDA besides voice, email, text, & web (camera
    > > doesn't really count)

    >
    >
    > What about PIM data and the ability to sync it remotely with your office
    > (or home)?
    >
    > What about GPS/Nav? (And no, Google Maps with no GPS capability isn't a
    > substitute!)


    I have an inexpensive small Garmin, one that I can move from car to car
    and has a screen I can actually read and use while I drive. I barely use
    the GPS as it is - though good for strange cities.
    >
    > > that you shouldn't be doing on your laptop.

    >
    > IMHO, you're completely missing the point- ideally the PDA should be able
    > to replace your laptop when traveling. T ere's nothing more liberating
    > tan traveling with just my phone, a charger, my GPS module (uses the same
    > mini-USB charger as the phone!) and a small pair of headphones. Laptop?
    > We don't need no steenking laptop! ;-)


    I have a small Mac laptop. Too much work to have all that I do going
    through my Treo. So much easier to do things on plane or when I arrive.
    I'm also not one of those people who is glued to my phone, either. I
    have my priorities.
    >
    >
    > > Word or Excel
    > > on a PDA? Only in desperation.

    >
    >
    > I'm certainly not going to setup a complex spreadsheet from scratch or
    > write the Great American Novel on my PPC, but editing documents on the
    > fly is certainly handy. I've certainly used Excel on my PPC for data
    > collection to be transferred to a PC later.


    I also don't have a job that requires me to have to do all that.

    I have the luxury of doing things when more convenient. I'm not the guy
    furiously text messaging and emailing the minute the plane hits the
    ground.

    To work on original files on my Mac is so much easier and a much more
    efficient use of my time. I've been in business for myself for too many
    years to let me be a slave to technology. You must find tools that free
    you from work, not make you do more (which, I'll admit, is hard to do
    these days).

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  13. #13
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Apple cuts back production (iPhone)

    At 08 Aug 2007 08:44:59 -0700 Kurt wrote:

    > I have an inexpensive small Garmin, one that I can move from car to car
    > and has a screen I can actually read and use while I drive. I barely

    use
    > the GPS as it is - though good for strange cities.



    I prefer having intergration with real-time traffic and POI data, a la
    Google Maps or WLS, but to each his own...


    > I have a small Mac laptop. Too much work to have all that I do going
    > through my Treo. So much easier to do things on plane or when I arrive.
    > I'm also not one of those people who is glued to my phone, either. I
    > have my priorities.


    Agreed- I use my phone less as phone than as a "laptop."

    > I also don't have a job that requires me to have to do all that.
    >
    > I have the luxury of doing things when more convenient. I'm not the guy
    > furiously text messaging and emailing the minute the plane hits the
    > ground.


    Nor am I- I own a small business, howeve, and have to be available
    whenever or wherever the excrement hits the proverbial fan.

    > To work on original files on my Mac is so much easier and a much more
    > efficient use of my time. I've been in business for myself for too many
    > years to let me be a slave to technology. You must find tools that free
    > you from work, not make you do more (which, I'll admit, is hard to do
    > these days).



    But that's what the phone allows- as long as I can conduct business
    anywhere, I can BE anywhere. I got home last night after 10 days in the
    Bay Area. Thanks to my PPC phone and access to all my files and data, it
    didn't matter where I was physically. No "I don't have that information
    with me" or "I'll check on that when I get back to the office." I can
    still duck a call or turn off the phone if I want to be "off the clock",
    so it's not enslaving- it's liberating to be free to work wherever I
    happen to be.

    But, as always, YMMV- if what you have works for you, that's cool. If
    one product or service worked for everyone, we wouldn't need choices.





  14. #14
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Apple cuts back production (iPhone)

    Todd Allcock wrote:

    > IMHO, you're completely missing the point- ideally the PDA should be able
    > to replace your laptop when traveling. T ere's nothing more liberating
    > tan traveling with just my phone, a charger, my GPS module (uses the same
    > mini-USB charger as the phone!) and a small pair of headphones. Laptop?
    > We don't need no steenking laptop! ;-)


    That is precisely the point. A full featured PDA/Phone will free you
    from taking the laptop in many cases. I.e. my PDA can hook to a
    projector or VGA monitor and show PowerPoint slides. It can serve as a
    GPS with the CompactFlash GPS module (but I have to carry a set of
    amplified speakers such as used on MP3 players). The web browser is
    poor, and it's not a phone.

    The HTC devices look like they are finally getting the convergence into
    a single device, and Apple will probably get there eventually as well
    with future iPhone models.



  15. #15
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Apple cuts back production (iPhone)

    At 09 Aug 2007 10:48:47 -0700 SMS wrote:

    > The HTC devices look like they are finally getting the convergence
    > into a single device, and Apple will probably get there eventually as
    > well with future iPhone models.


    I suspect Apple will, when they broaden the iPhone line in the future.
    Since no one convergence device will suit everyone's needs (see HTC's
    fairly broad range, for example) the iPhone line will need to expand to
    be anything other than a niche product.



    --

    "I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures or double
    as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for all the bells and whistles,
    but I could communicate better with ACTUAL bells and whistles."
    -Bill Maher 9/25/2003








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