The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen

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On 2007-11-07, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

> The Apple ][ brought about the demise of the mainframe & mini. Thats a
> raw fact.

No, it's a piece of unmitigated bull****. Companies that needed mainframe
power wouldn't have, and in fact didn't, upgrade to the Apple ][. Two
completely different markets.

> Actually the Apple // runs to this day, and was sold up until 1993

1993 was 14 years ago. I'm sorry, did you have a point?

> Yes, I have a much better command over the rise and fall of all
> platforms,

The only thing you have command over is pulling "facts" out of your ass. But
it is entertaining watching you do so.


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On Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Oxford wrote:
> Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Oxford, you need to see a mental health professional. Your message below
>> demonstrates projection bias (also called "Freudian Projection"). This is
>> a symptom of severe personality disorder.
> Mark I'm clearly more rational than you. I'll contact you in 2015 to
> collect my winnings.

You did not agree to the terms of the wager. The wager is not valid until
you agree to those terms.

By the way, if you're really trying to hide, you shouldn't use Qwest.
They respond to subpoenas.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Oxford wrote:
> the iphone outsells the blackberry and will from here on out.

Citation please

Oxford wrote:
> IBM pc and the clones didn't last nearly that long, the 286 models were
> the end of the line compared to the Apple // 6502. The apple // remains
> to this day the longest running/sold platform.

The 286 was replaced by the 386, ya doofus.

At 06 Nov 2007 22:03:30 -0800 Mark Crispin wrote:

> By the way, if you're really trying to hide, you shouldn't use Qwest.
> They respond to subpoenas.


At least they ONLY respond to subpoenas, rather than voluntarily turn
over call records to Dubya and company when asked, like the other telcos
did! ;-)

Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Mark I'm clearly more rational than you. I'll contact you in 2015 to
> > collect my winnings.
>
> You did not agree to the terms of the wager. The wager is not valid until

so you are trying to back out of an honest wager? are scared that you
will lose?

yep!

> By the way, if you're really trying to hide, you shouldn't use Qwest.
> They respond to subpoenas.

i'm not hiding anything, and no, qwest could careless about you iphone
fears, they would laugh at your attempts to discover who i am.

i'll contact you in 2015 to collect my winnings

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> At least they ONLY respond to subpoenas, rather than voluntarily turn
> over call records to Dubya and company when asked, like the other telcos
> did! ;-)

yes, qwest won't give out customer data until a long, expense court
fight. and yes dubya would have a hard time breaking into qwest, but i
must admit he's smarter than mark crsipin.

Bob Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:

> Oxford is a certified goofball. BlackBerries are the overwhelming
> choice of business and government. You know - professionals. The
> iPhone does not even play in this market.

well, googball is a little strong but i'm an advocate, sure.

the iphone outsells the blackberry and will from here on out. and while
the blackberry had a great run, it will end up like the Diamond Ria MP3
player. they are just too cumbersome to deal with going forward, and
after february the iphone will have more software availiblity than the
blackberry.

the iphone reaches into a much larger market than just "professionals",
so it will be entertaining to see RIM fade away.

> If anything "kills the BlackBerry", rest assured it will NOT be the
> iPhone!

well, it's already hurt sales and now is the no 2 smartpone, and just a
single apple release away from being no 3. then number 4 and so on.
apple owns the smartphone market now and it only took 180 days, not bad.
not bad at all.

Bob Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:

> Still running is not the point. There are TRS-80s "still running"
> also. That doesn't mean that the TRS-80 market is not dead.

but there are very few TRS-80's still in use, but there are millions of
Apple //s still being used every day in schools, homes and business
across the world.

> The Apple 2 was killed by the IBM PC and it's clones. That Apple 2s
> were still being sold in 1993 pretty much proves the point - IBM clones
> are still be sold right now. Where is the Apple 2 being sold?

actually, the low priced Macintosh LC killed the Apple //, Apple put the
"//" on a chip/daughter card and slid it into the LC in 1993, thus Apple
killed the Apple // form factor but it was still being sold until steve
returned in 1997.

http://apple2history.org/images/mac2e.gif

(and the apple // inside a mac, apple sold millions of them)

http://www.abc80.net/pics/apple_mac_LC475_inside.jpg

IBM pc and the clones didn't last nearly that long, the 286 models were
the end of the line compared to the Apple // 6502. The apple // remains
to this day the longest running/sold platform.

> Again, Apple 2s had no impact on the mainframe market. To claim so
> only shows your extreme ignorance.

oh, but your ignorance is showing. the spreadsheet was invented on the
apple //, thus the mainframes / mini markets largely died. so you aren't
looking at the bigger picture and don't know your history of that time
period.

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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007, Oxford wrote:
>> You did not agree to the terms of the wager. The wager is not valid until
> so you are trying to back out of an honest wager? are scared that you
> will lose?

I am not backing down. However, I require surety that you will fufill
your part of the wager.

Specifically:

(1) You must provide your correct contact information (name, address, and
telephone number) and keep me informed of any changes to that contact
information for the duration of the wager.

(2) You must agree that you will do one of the following if you lose:
(a) provide your iPhone to be smashed, and then eat it.
(b) eat a smashed Newton MP100 which I will provide.

You have not provided your contact information. You attempt to get out of
having to eat the smashed iPhone (or Newton).

Be a man and accept a man's wager. The terms are listed. Take them or
leave them.

> i'm not hiding anything, and no, qwest could careless about you iphone
> fears, they would laugh at your attempts to discover who i am.

Don't bet on that point. It's a very straightforward, and quite
automatic, procedure.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Bob Campbell wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> but there are very few TRS-80's still in use, but there are millions of
>> Apple //s still being used every day in schools, homes and business
>> across the world.
>
> No, there aren't. I'm sure you can provide some evidence for this
> claim?

For once, I have to back up Ox-retard... We have an Apple IIe
controlling a Coordinate Measuring Machine that's still in daily use.

So boys and girls... Mark this on your calendar. This is a historic
event! Oxtard /didn't/ lie or shovel bull**** on this one statement!

"Steve Mackay" <[email protected]> stated in post
[email protected] on 11/7/07 2:22 PM:

> Bob Campbell wrote:
>> In article
>> <[email protected]>,
>> Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> but there are very few TRS-80's still in use, but there are millions of
>>> Apple //s still being used every day in schools, homes and business
>>> across the world.
>>
>> No, there aren't. I'm sure you can provide some evidence for this
>> claim?
>
> For once, I have to back up Ox-retard... We have an Apple IIe
> controlling a Coordinate Measuring Machine that's still in daily use.
>
> So boys and girls... Mark this on your calendar. This is a historic
> event! Oxtard /didn't/ lie or shovel bull**** on this one statement!

Are there still *millions* out there running?


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Never stand between a dog and the hydrant. - John Peers

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:fgshir
[email protected]:

> At least they ONLY respond to subpoenas, rather than
voluntarily turn
> over call records to Dubya and company when asked, like the
other telcos
> did! ;-)
>
>

Or the Mossad. The records of all phone companies is in ISRAEL!

There's a great documentary or two on it...from PBS and CBS I
think.


Larry
--
You can tell there's extremely
intelligent life in the universe
because they have never called Earth.

In news:[email protected],
Steve Mackay <[email protected]> typed:
> Bob Campbell wrote:
>> In article
>> <[email protected]>,
>> Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> but there are very few TRS-80's still in use, but there are millions of
>>> Apple //s still being used every day in schools, homes and business
>>> across the world.
>>
>> No, there aren't. I'm sure you can provide some evidence for this
>> claim?
>
> For once, I have to back up Ox-retard... We have an Apple IIe
> controlling a Coordinate Measuring Machine that's still in daily use.
>
> So boys and girls... Mark this on your calendar. This is a historic
> event! Oxtard /didn't/ lie or shovel bull**** on this one statement!

That is ONE, Now we just need to find another 1,999,999. lol

At 07 Nov 2007 08:14:36 -0700 Oxford wrote:

> the iphone outsells the blackberry

No, it doesn't. Reportedly, the iPhone outsold any particular model of
Blackberry in July according to iSuppli:
(http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...32369320070904 )

Unfortunately, for fanboys like you, they quickly backpeddled and
reported that while it outsold any particular MODEL of Blackberry, it
only sold sold half of how many Blackberry devices sold in aggregate:
http://66.225.202.210/journals/apple...on-blackberry-
outsells-iphone-2-to-1-in-july :

"iSuppli's sell-through research and the subsequent press release
indicated that the iPhone outsold all smart phone models in July in the
United States on an individual basis. While iSuppli stands by this
analysis, it is important to note that iPhone's retail sales did not
exceed the combined retail sales of the entire BlackBerry line of smart
phones (approximately twice that of the iPhone if taken in total) in the
United States in July."

> and will from here on out.

Unlikely, since no other device sold currently fills the BB's particular
niche. iPhone's support of secure corporate e-mail is pitiful to non-
existant, and currently consists of using IMAP, which any decent phone
can do, and is not a good solution for security minded organizations.


> and while
> the blackberry had a great run, it will end up like the Diamond Ria MP3
> player. they are just too cumbersome to deal with going forward, and
> after february the iphone will have more software availiblity than the
> blackberry.

February is when the SDK is supposed to be released. Unless teams of
amateurs are going to pump out thousands of "Hello World"- caliber apps
the first two weeks, RIM will have the edge for awhile in terms of number
of apps available.

Having said that,the iPhone only needs a few good apps to address it
shortcomings, but I'll wager the SDK still won't let developers have
access deep inside the OS.

I'll make my bold Oxford-like predictions right here, (and risk looking
foolish in February!) My guess is that Apple will maintain a very tight
control over development in one of the following ways:

Limiting distribution of the SDK either by commanding a very high price,
or only distributing it to select "approved" developers.

Requiring apps to be digitally signed by Apple (via an arduous/expensive
process) before they can be installed, or:
The SDK will be neutered "harmless" allowing no access to the OS-
creating essentially installable versions of the current "webapps" or run
in some type of as-yet-unreleased Java-like virtual machine (or other
"sandbox") insulating it from the phone's guts.


> the iphone reaches into a much larger market than just "professionals",

Agreed. Unfortunately, it sidesteps the professional market entirely.


> so it will be entertaining to see RIM fade away.


Don't hold your breath... on second thought, go ahead and hold your
breath- we could all use the silence when you pass out for awhile.