new logging feature found (iPhone)

A new logging feature has been found in the iPhone firmware 1.2 beta
that tracks and stores the physichal location of the iPhone based on
cell tower triangulation and Wi-Fi longitude/latitude data, making it
possible to not only know where you are, but where you have been.

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iPhone News <[email protected]> wrote in news:invalid-
[email protected]:

> A new logging feature has been found in the iPhone firmware 1.2 beta
> that tracks and stores the physichal location of the iPhone based on
> cell tower triangulation and Wi-Fi longitude/latitude data, making it
> possible to not only know where you are, but where you have been.

http://dtrask.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/vcsmapper.png
Here's what you look like on the N800's Maemo Mapper. The poster didn't
have his position and trail onscreen from the little Bluetooth GPS so he
may not have one. Your position, in motion, looks like a blue dot with a
line pointing out of it showing your course. Behind the dot will be a red
trail going back since the last time you cleared it, ad nauseum. See the
lanes on those roads with the white line down the middle? The GPS position
puts you in the proper lane you are in and the trail is so accurate you can
see yourself making lane changes exactly where did. If you have a good 3D
fix, when you pull into a parking space at the mall, your blue dot is
exactly in the space you are occupying. If you take the tablet with you
into the mall, you can easily find your car by booting Maemo mapper on the
way out because you left the GPS in the car so the trail doesn't trail you
into the mall...showing you exactly where the car is located when you come
out. Parking lot range with the GPS in the window to the tablet in your
hand is well over 50 ft for updates.....incase someone moved your car while
you were gone.

This picture looks like Google Earth. I use Virtual Earth's COMPOSITE
OVERLAY on my Maemo Mapper. That overlays the street map over the
satellite photos and they both update, automatically, over the EVDO data
link from Alltel on the road, in motion....

What's the iPhone display look like without GPS accuracy? "Somewhere in
the shaded area"??

iPhone News <[email protected]> wrote in news:invalid-
[email protected]:

> A new logging feature has been found in the iPhone firmware 1.2 beta
> that tracks and stores the physichal location of the iPhone based on
> cell tower triangulation and Wi-Fi longitude/latitude data, making it
> possible to not only know where you are, but where you have been.

Here's thoughtfix taking a hike from the parking lot to a geocaching site
looking for the prize.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_Ki_XGZxWsq4/...AAAAABmQ/CE5C-
mmMPRw/s1600-h/screenshot07.png

Geocaching's great fun. Setting up Geocaching is even more fun...(c;

"iPhone News" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>A new logging feature has been found in the iPhone firmware 1.2 beta
> that tracks and stores the physichal location of the iPhone based on
> cell tower triangulation and Wi-Fi longitude/latitude data, making it
> possible to not only know where you are, but where you have been.

Which, essentially, is what some e911 services have been doing since June
2003.

At 19 Mar 2008 17:08:17 -0500 Thurman wrote:
>

> Which, essentially, is what some e911 services have been doing since June
> 2003.

Not with WiFi, though, at least not the cell carriers.

However, this outfit has done it for awhile :
http://www.navizon.com. They sell software that lets Wi-Fi enabled phones
without GPS use cell tower and WiFi AP location simulate an onboard GPS.

They get the data by "buying it" from WiFi and GPS enabled phone users.
You install their logging software turn on your GPS and WiFi and it
calculates tower and AP coordinates frand uploads them to their servers,
crediting you with points. Every 1000 cell towers or 5000 APs logged (or
weighted combination) earns you $20 deposited in your PayPal account.
Navizon essentially paid for my BT GPS module while I was on vacation last
summer. (My most prolific logging earned me $20 in one day's walking and
driving through Manhattan! There are a LOT of WiFi APs in the city that
never sleeps!)

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At 19 Mar 2008 17:08:17 -0500 Thurman wrote:
>>
>
>> Which, essentially, is what some e911 services have been doing since June
>> 2003.
>
> Not with WiFi, though, at least not the cell carriers.
>
> However, this outfit has done it for awhile :
> http://www.navizon.com. They sell software that lets Wi-Fi enabled phones
> without GPS use cell tower and WiFi AP location simulate an onboard GPS.
>
> They get the data by "buying it" from WiFi and GPS enabled phone users.
> You install their logging software turn on your GPS and WiFi and it
> calculates tower and AP coordinates frand uploads them to their servers,
> crediting you with points.

In what little I have seen of the Google project, Google claims to use the
tower horn ID and signal strength. Google reportedly is fine-tuning the
process to using it to find advertisers in your vicinity. Even with the
update released yesterday, location is varying from 100 to 1700 meters.

A database of GPS locations by Wi-Fi would seem to be more accurate because
of the smaller footprint of the Wi-Fi broadcast.

When location by Wi-Fi was first invented by the kid that was in high
school, I was ready to assist. But when he went to college, he got smarter
by devising the basic plan of what you stated above. I was about to
contribute when I realized the packets recorded contained the Wi-Fi IP
usually associated with a merchant, the cellular tower horn ID and your cell
number. Your proximity track is worth money to the spammers.

That Hispanic spam generator in Florida is blanketing cell phones with
messages only in Spanish to everyone regardless of what it cost the cell
user. Complaints so far, fall on deaf ears.

As a point of interest, a lipstick size GPS should be released within the
next 90 days to retail from a MSRP of ~$80 USD.At least Google allows direct
entry of decimal co-ordinates.

Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> What's the iPhone display look like without GPS accuracy? "Somewhere in
> the shaded area"??

It looks pretty much the same as the example you have provided. But full
blown GPS in a tool like the iPhone is impractical at this point and
will soon be obsolete. Too much room and too much drain on the battery.
Besides almost all new cars have GPS and portable units are so cheap
there will be no need to have one on your phone. I think Apple is ahead
of the curve by not pursuing this feature.

Tom Payne <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> What's the iPhone display look like without GPS accuracy? "Somewhere
>> in the shaded area"??
>
> It looks pretty much the same as the example you have provided. But
> full blown GPS in a tool like the iPhone is impractical at this point
> and will soon be obsolete. Too much room and too much drain on the
> battery. Besides almost all new cars have GPS and portable units are
> so cheap there will be no need to have one on your phone. I think
> Apple is ahead of the curve by not pursuing this feature.
>

Tom, you should be working for Hillary Clinton! What a spinmeister!

There's no way in hell the iPhone with this crapware is going to place you
at a point in the lane of a road or in a certain parking space. It might
be able to place you at the whole mall, about that area.

http://www.nokiausa.com/A4630703
If they had any brains, they'd use an external Bluetooth device like the
LD-3W tiny GPS receiver I'm using with the N800 tablet. It's tiny,
REPLACEABLE, STANDARD, Nokia sellphone battery runs 22 hours of CONTINUOUS
use on a charge, and recharges in 3 hours for tomorrow. In standby, with
no bluetooth connection, it will standby for 7 days. It runs all the time
in my car, 24/7, and I charge it once a week, either from the car or the
N800's charger in the house (same STANDARD Nokia power supply their phones
use). A Bluetooth pairing turns it on.

Who told you GPS is obsolete? They need some re-education. GPS navigates
every plane and ship on the planet!

LD-3W is what the iphone needs for nav....even comes with commercial Nav
software, since Nokia just went and bought Navicore, Inc.

Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Who told you GPS is obsolete? They need some re-education. GPS navigates
> every plane and ship on the planet!

I was speaking of putting GPS on cell phones as being obsolete. As I
stated, with GPS now on just about every car and portable units so cheap
there is no reason to have one on your phone.

Tom Payne <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Who told you GPS is obsolete? They need some re-education. GPS
>> navigates every plane and ship on the planet!
>
> I was speaking of putting GPS on cell phones as being obsolete. As I
> stated, with GPS now on just about every car and portable units so
> cheap there is no reason to have one on your phone.
>

They just started putting GPS chips in sellphones so the DEA can track you.

Unfortunately, because it's a SELLphone, you are not allowed to USE the GPS
you paid for....another stupid carrier decision.

Larry wrote:

> Tom Payne <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>>Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Who told you GPS is obsolete? They need some re-education. GPS
>>>navigates every plane and ship on the planet!
>>
>>I was speaking of putting GPS on cell phones as being obsolete. As I
>>stated, with GPS now on just about every car and portable units so
>>cheap there is no reason to have one on your phone.
>>
>
>
> They just started putting GPS chips in sellphones so the DEA can track you.
>
> Unfortunately, because it's a SELLphone, you are not allowed to USE the GPS
> you paid for....another stupid carrier decision.
>

Does not apply to many HP iPaqs that support/display native A-GPS.

At 20 Mar 2008 09:13:49 -0400 Tom Payne wrote:

> Besides almost all new cars have GPS and portable units are so cheap
> there will be no need to have one on your phone. I think Apple is ahead
> of the curve by not pursuing this feature.

There's nothing like Oxlogic.

And if we soon evolve into pointy headed creatures with a single antennae
to receive sound instead of two ears, Apple will have been "ahead of the
curve" by "not pursuing" stereo bluetooth headphone support as well... ;-)

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> At 20 Mar 2008 09:13:49 -0400 Tom Payne wrote:
>
>> Besides almost all new cars have GPS and portable units are so cheap
>> there will be no need to have one on your phone. I think Apple is
>> ahead of the curve by not pursuing this feature.
>
> There's nothing like Oxlogic.
>
> And if we soon evolve into pointy headed creatures with a single
> antennae to receive sound instead of two ears, Apple will have been
> "ahead of the curve" by "not pursuing" stereo bluetooth headphone
> support as well... ;-)
>
>

I like my Motorola S9 BT stereo headset so much, I solved this lack-of-
BT problem for all my old audio devices:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/produ...834&WT.mc_n=67
&WT.mc_t=U&cm_ven=COMPARISON%
20SHOPPING&cm_cat=PRICEGRABBER&cm_pla=DATAFEED-%3EPRODUCTS&cm_ite=1%
20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=67

Sorry about the wordwrap...(d^

Print this page out and take it to Best Buy with you. Those bastards
want $79 for it, even though this is discontinued by Sony. Buy it on
your credit card. Walk from the cash register to the service desk, whip
out your printout and invoke the Best Buy "Price minus 15%" guarantee,
bringing your price down to $42.46 + tax. She'll credit you the
difference to your credit card.....saving you even more money than CC
wants for discontinued stock. BB doesn't have to know CC doesn't carry
it in the store up the street. It's in the CC warehouse under "stuff to
dump that's obsolete" $42 and no shipping charges...not a bad "best
buy"...(c;

This tiny Sony transmitter must not have sold well at $80, even though
it's BT, really tiny and is Li-Ion powered with a drop-in charging stand
in 3 hours from dead. I left mine paired and playing to see how long it
would run because my Li-Ion was so old it was dead-as-a-doorknob and I
figured it was toast when I got it. It recharged right back up and its
capacity returned after a few recharge cycles, just like Sony said it
would. Specs say 11 continuous hours of BT paired play. Mine runs
almost 14 to the S9! Range to the S9 with the tiny transmitter clipped
to my carrying case is about 50' not 30 to BT specs. Playing in the
center of the house, I can wear the phones anywhere and it still plays,
DEAD QUIET with no background noise at all from the N800 tablet's
standard stereo headphone jack. Hitting it hard with audio doesn't seem
to distort it, either. I use the volume control on the S9 by my left
ear to adjust volume.

It only pairs with devices who use 0000 for the pairing code, so make
sure your headphones can use 0000 before you try it. Works great on all
stereo headphone jacks in the house from the old stereo to the old
Archos Studio 20MB MP3 player to my favorite Xclef 120GB portable MP3
player, my N800 tablet and all. Bluetooth audio is FAR better than the
noisy damned analog FM transmitters I just gave away...(c;

Tiger Direct has the $129.95 Motorola S9 BT headset/sellphone handsfree
for $49.95! That's really cheap!

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...m-Details.asp?
EdpNo=3581351&sku=M151-2310&SRCCODE=WEBGOOGSM&CMP=KNC-GOOGL

Sorry about the wordwrapping...dammit.

The S9 is paired for sellphone use with my Motorola Z6m toyphone. If
you go into the toyphone's BT control panel and shut down the A2DP
pairing so the phone doesn't hog the stereo away from the Sony
transmitter, you can pair BOTH the Sony for stereo and the Sellphone for
answering calls, simultaneously, which is really neat. When a call
comes in, or you press the call button to voice-activate a Sellphone
call, the audio from the stereo is muted until the call hangs up, then
resumes as before....just the way it should. UNfortunately, Motorola
got lazy and didn't hook the Sellphone calls to BOTH earphones, so you
only get phone calls in your left ear, which I think is a screwup. The
new S9 model may be different. Hey, it's ONLY $49, you know!

Well, if anyone's interested, it works great, here...best I've ever
found. Now it doesn't matter if this device or that device is A2DP
compatible. As long as it has a mini headphone jack, I gotcha
covered...(c;

.......even on iPhoneys!

At 20 Mar 2008 14:57:09 -0400 Tom Payne wrote:

> I was speaking of putting GPS on cell phones as being obsolete. As I
> stated, with GPS now on just about every car and portable units so cheap
> there is no reason to have one on your phone.


Same is true of MP3 players, yet that's the iPhone's main feature.

And, if you recall the early iPhone commercials, Google Maps was/is a
leading feature as well. Google Maps without GPS is like YouTube with
still images.

In article <[email protected]>,
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> Same is true of MP3 players, yet that's the iPhone's main feature.

Incorrect. The main feature of the iPhone is its WiFi feature.

> And, if you recall the early iPhone commercials, Google Maps was/is a
> leading feature as well. Google Maps without GPS is like YouTube with
> still images.

It is MUCH more than Google maps. Assuming that you are not just a shill
for a certain competing cell phone manufacturer, I'd suggest you read up
on the iPhones features before making such foolish comments.