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- 08-24-2010, 03:29 PM #1SMSGuest
"http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/204036/virgin_mobile_announces_unlimited_mobile_broadband_plan.html"
Pretty good deal if you can live with Sprint's native 3G network coverage.
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- 08-24-2010, 03:31 PM #2John NavasGuest
Re: Virgin Mobile to Begin Offering $40 Unlimited Prepaid 3G Broadband Service Tomorrow
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:29:26 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/204036/virgin_mobile_announces_unlimited_mobile_broadband_plan.html"
>
>Pretty good deal if you can live with Sprint's native 3G network coverage.
Which is pretty good, just like the deal.
--
John
"Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
[Wetherns Law of Suspended Judgement]
- 08-24-2010, 03:43 PM #3GeorgeGuest
Re: Virgin Mobile to Begin Offering $40 Unlimited Prepaid 3G BroadbandService Tomorrow
On 8/24/2010 5:29 PM, SMS wrote:
> "http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/204036/virgin_mobile_announces_unlimited_mobile_broadband_plan.html"
>
>
> Pretty good deal if you can live with Sprint's native 3G network coverage.
Comcast is pitching "Comcast 2 Go" 4G really heavily. I was at a
location the other day and a buddy was interested so we were looking at
the coverage map. No 4G within 130 miles of here and Sprint 3G and 1X
are the fallback if you aren't in a 4G area. We couldn't believe Sprints
coverage map both in (lack of) coverage and that most of the area around
here is still 1X.
- 08-24-2010, 04:07 PM #4CameoGuest
Re: Virgin Mobile to Begin Offering $40 Unlimited Prepaid 3G Broadband Service Tomorrow
"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:29:26 -0700, in
> <[email protected]>, SMS
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/204036/virgin_mobile_announces_unlimited_mobile_broadband_plan.html"
>>
>>Pretty good deal if you can live with Sprint's native 3G network
>>coverage.
>
> Which is pretty good, just like the deal.
Especially if it forced the competitors to similar deals.
- 08-24-2010, 05:46 PM #5SMSGuest
Re: Virgin Mobile to Begin Offering $40 Unlimited Prepaid 3G BroadbandService Tomorrow
George wrote:
> Comcast is pitching "Comcast 2 Go" 4G really heavily. I was at a
> location the other day and a buddy was interested so we were looking at
> the coverage map. No 4G within 130 miles of here and Sprint 3G and 1X
> are the fallback if you aren't in a 4G area. We couldn't believe Sprints
> coverage map both in (lack of) coverage and that most of the area around
> here is still 1X.
And the map doesn't even show how poor the Sprint coverage (even 3G and
voice) often is. There are areas near me, not even up in the hills or
down in valleys, where Sprint's map shows coverage but there is actually
none (at least T-Mobile is honest and their map shows no coverage in
these areas). On the outskirts of town in, in the hills all the
carrier's maps other than Verizon show that they have no coverage (and
this is a source of a lot of complaints from those residents that want
or have iPhones!).
OTOH, when I've been back on the east coast, Sprint coverage in urban
areas without terrain issues has been just fine, as has T-Mobile coverage.
- 08-24-2010, 07:39 PM #6John NavasGuest
Re: Virgin Mobile to Begin Offering $40 Unlimited Prepaid 3G Broadband Service Tomorrow
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:46:15 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:
>George wrote:
>
>> Comcast is pitching "Comcast 2 Go" 4G really heavily. I was at a
>> location the other day and a buddy was interested so we were looking at
>> the coverage map. No 4G within 130 miles of here and Sprint 3G and 1X
>> are the fallback if you aren't in a 4G area. We couldn't believe Sprints
>> coverage map both in (lack of) coverage and that most of the area around
>> here is still 1X.
>
>And the map doesn't even show how poor the Sprint coverage (even 3G and
>voice) often is. There are areas near me, not even up in the hills or
>down in valleys, where Sprint's map shows coverage but there is actually
>none (at least T-Mobile is honest and their map shows no coverage in
>these areas). On the outskirts of town in, in the hills all the
>carrier's maps other than Verizon show that they have no coverage (and
>this is a source of a lot of complaints from those residents that want
>or have iPhones!).
Pro Verizon propaganda that's complete nonsense.
--
John
"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." -Mark Twain
"A little learning is a dangerous thing." -Alexander Pope
"Being ignorant is not so much a shame,
as being unwilling to learn." -Benjamin Franklin
- 08-25-2010, 06:20 AM #7GeorgeGuest
Re: Virgin Mobile to Begin Offering $40 Unlimited Prepaid 3G BroadbandService Tomorrow
On 8/24/2010 9:39 PM, John Navas wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:46:15 -0700, in
> <[email protected]>, SMS
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> George wrote:
>>
>>> Comcast is pitching "Comcast 2 Go" 4G really heavily. I was at a
>>> location the other day and a buddy was interested so we were looking at
>>> the coverage map. No 4G within 130 miles of here and Sprint 3G and 1X
>>> are the fallback if you aren't in a 4G area. We couldn't believe Sprints
>>> coverage map both in (lack of) coverage and that most of the area around
>>> here is still 1X.
>>
>> And the map doesn't even show how poor the Sprint coverage (even 3G and
>> voice) often is. There are areas near me, not even up in the hills or
>> down in valleys, where Sprint's map shows coverage but there is actually
>> none (at least T-Mobile is honest and their map shows no coverage in
>> these areas). On the outskirts of town in, in the hills all the
>> carrier's maps other than Verizon show that they have no coverage (and
>> this is a source of a lot of complaints from those residents that want
>> or have iPhones!).
>
> Pro Verizon propaganda that's complete nonsense.
>
So you believe you are omniscient?
- 08-25-2010, 07:19 AM #8GeorgeGuest
Re: Virgin Mobile to Begin Offering $40 Unlimited Prepaid 3G BroadbandService Tomorrow
On 8/24/2010 6:11 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:
> "George"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 8/24/2010 5:29 PM, SMS wrote:
>>> "http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/204036/virgin_mobile_announces_unlimited_mobile_broadband_plan.html"
>>>
>>>
>>> Pretty good deal if you can live with Sprint's native 3G network
>>> coverage.
>>
>> Comcast is pitching "Comcast 2 Go" 4G really heavily. I was at a location
>> the other day and a buddy was interested so we were looking at the
>> coverage map. No 4G within 130 miles of here and Sprint 3G and 1X are the
>> fallback if you aren't in a 4G area. We couldn't believe Sprints coverage
>> map both in (lack of) coverage and that most of the area around here is
>> still 1X.
>
> Which would've been a helpful data point if you'd bothered to tell us where
> "here" is!
>
>
>
How about even better:
http://comcast.cellmaps.com/viewer.html
And you can see the marketing department had a lot of influence.
Note that yellow is noted as "3G" on the map key which unless you
hovered over it and got this popup telling you that it is really 1X:
"Nationwide Preferred (4G/3G) and Nationwide (3G) subscribers can
connect to the mobile internet network in these areas, but will not
experience broadband speeds."
- 08-25-2010, 10:34 AM #9John NavasGuest
Re: Virgin Mobile to Begin Offering $40 Unlimited Prepaid 3G Broadband Service Tomorrow
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:26:42 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The issue with Virgin's service is that it's limited solely to Sprint's
>network footprint, which is fine if you're not going outside of major
>urban areas, but useless, even for voice, when you're in other areas
>(essentially the gray areas on the Comcast map).
>
>A lot of Virgin subscribers to the voice service don't realize that
>Virgin is not simply 'Sprint prepaid,' with all the roaming capability
>of Sprint onto other CDMA networks. Virgin allows no roaming at all.
>Once you leave the very limited Sprint service area you have no service
>at all. Fine for city folks who never venture out of town, not so fine
>for others.
Except the Sprint network is not "very limited".
>For me personally, the increasing availability of free Wi-Fi makes
>paying even $40 a month for unlimited 3G data a bad deal, especially on
>a network as limited as Sprint's. I'd rather use pay as you go data as
>part of a prepaid package like the $30/month package from PagePlus (1200
>minutes/1200 messages/50MB of data) and just pay for any overages at
>$0.60/MB. At least I get voice coverage at least equivalent to the
>Verizon network.
In other words, you have no real experience behind your bashing.
Since you don't use it, it must be bad. QED.
--
John
"Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
[Wetherns Law of Suspended Judgement]
- 08-25-2010, 10:51 AM #10GeorgeGuest
Re: Virgin Mobile to Begin Offering $40 Unlimited Prepaid 3G BroadbandService Tomorrow
On 8/26/2010 12:26 AM, SMS wrote:
> George wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> How about even better:
>>
>> http://comcast.cellmaps.com/viewer.html
>>
>> And you can see the marketing department had a lot of influence.
>> Note that yellow is noted as "3G" on the map key which unless you
>> hovered over it and got this popup telling you that it is really 1X:
>>
>> "Nationwide Preferred (4G/3G) and Nationwide (3G) subscribers can
>> connect to the mobile internet network in these areas, but will not
>> experience broadband speeds."
>
> That's an extremely misleading map. I've never seen the distinction used
> between "3G Broadband" and "3G" before. That reminds me of the article
> "Who stole the definition of 3G?" For a while Cingular was stating that
> EDGE provides "3G capabilities," while not explicitly claiming that it
> was 3G.
>
> Still, what's rather interesting, is that Comcast has apparently
> arranged for data roaming off of the Sprint network (the gray area) at
> extra cost. That's something you don't get with data (or voice for that
> matter) from Virgin. If you only occasionally are outside Sprint areas
> then paying for roaming isn't a big deal.
I can't find any detail what it might cost.
>
> The issue with Virgin's service is that it's limited solely to Sprint's
> network footprint, which is fine if you're not going outside of major
> urban areas, but useless, even for voice, when you're in other areas
> (essentially the gray areas on the Comcast map).
>
> A lot of Virgin subscribers to the voice service don't realize that
> Virgin is not simply 'Sprint prepaid,' with all the roaming capability
> of Sprint onto other CDMA networks. Virgin allows no roaming at all.
> Once you leave the very limited Sprint service area you have no service
> at all. Fine for city folks who never venture out of town, not so fine
> for others.
>
> For me personally, the increasing availability of free Wi-Fi makes
> paying even $40 a month for unlimited 3G data a bad deal, especially on
> a network as limited as Sprint's. I'd rather use pay as you go data as
> part of a prepaid package like the $30/month package from PagePlus (1200
> minutes/1200 messages/50MB of data) and just pay for any overages at
> $0.60/MB. At least I get voice coverage at least equivalent to the
> Verizon network.
Unfortunately the often touted "ubiquitous WiFi" isn't anywhere where I
typically am and I do go to a lot of places. The best bang for the buck
for me is the $30 data plan on my smartphone. 50 Mb just wouldn't work
for me and I do have a very good clue about what uses data.
- 08-25-2010, 10:52 AM #11GeorgeGuest
Re: Virgin Mobile to Begin Offering $40 Unlimited Prepaid 3G BroadbandService Tomorrow
On 8/25/2010 12:34 PM, John Navas wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:26:42 -0700, in
> <[email protected]>, SMS
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The issue with Virgin's service is that it's limited solely to Sprint's
>> network footprint, which is fine if you're not going outside of major
>> urban areas, but useless, even for voice, when you're in other areas
>> (essentially the gray areas on the Comcast map).
>>
>> A lot of Virgin subscribers to the voice service don't realize that
>> Virgin is not simply 'Sprint prepaid,' with all the roaming capability
>> of Sprint onto other CDMA networks. Virgin allows no roaming at all.
>> Once you leave the very limited Sprint service area you have no service
>> at all. Fine for city folks who never venture out of town, not so fine
>> for others.
>
> Except the Sprint network is not "very limited".
Except it is. Just look at the link to the map I posted.
>
>> For me personally, the increasing availability of free Wi-Fi makes
>> paying even $40 a month for unlimited 3G data a bad deal, especially on
>> a network as limited as Sprint's. I'd rather use pay as you go data as
>> part of a prepaid package like the $30/month package from PagePlus (1200
>> minutes/1200 messages/50MB of data) and just pay for any overages at
>> $0.60/MB. At least I get voice coverage at least equivalent to the
>> Verizon network.
>
> In other words, you have no real experience behind your bashing.
> Since you don't use it, it must be bad. QED.
>
You do realize there are people here who actually know stuff right?
- 08-25-2010, 11:00 AM #12John NavasGuest
Re: Virgin Mobile to Begin Offering $40 Unlimited Prepaid 3G Broadband Service Tomorrow
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:26:42 -0700, in
--------
<[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[SNIP]
Somebody tell him his clock is off by 12 hours.
(Why am I not surprised.)
- 08-25-2010, 11:13 AM #13SMSGuest
Re: Virgin Mobile to Begin Offering $40 Unlimited Prepaid 3G BroadbandService Tomorrow
George wrote:
<snip>
> How about even better:
>
> http://comcast.cellmaps.com/viewer.html
>
> And you can see the marketing department had a lot of influence.
> Note that yellow is noted as "3G" on the map key which unless you
> hovered over it and got this popup telling you that it is really 1X:
>
> "Nationwide Preferred (4G/3G) and Nationwide (3G) subscribers can
> connect to the mobile internet network in these areas, but will not
> experience broadband speeds."
It's interesting to compare the maps for Verizon, Sprint Postpaid
(including roaming), Virgin Mobile (no roaming), and Comcast (including
roaming).
"http://i33.tinypic.com/30xg6bm.jpg" is an area about 10 minutes out of
Saratoga in the SF Bay Area.
You can see the problem with Virgin Mobile. Even in areas just a few
minute drive from an urban core, you can have no coverage because Sprint
has no coverage. Sprint postpaid customers can roam onto Verizon.
Comcast data customers can roam onto Verizon 3G, presumably at extra
cost. But Virgin Mobile customers, both for voice and data, are out of luck.
The Verizon map is interesting, because it shows a coverage gap in
Castle Rock State Park, just SW of the intersection of 35 & 9. This gap
wasn't there in the days of AMPS, and even now, depending on the
handset, you can often get digital coverage in parts of that area. But
the Sprint/Comcast maps show it as having complete roaming coverage on
Verizon, which is untrue.
This same situation is in existence across the country--stay in the
strictly urban areas without venturing even a few miles outside the core
and you'll have native Sprint coverage. Go outside those areas and you
lose native Sprint coverage but it's no problem for Sprint postpaid
customer who have free off-network roaming. It's a huge problem for
Virgin Mobile customers with no roaming.
- 08-25-2010, 11:28 AM #14Richard B. GilbertGuest
Re: Virgin Mobile to Begin Offering $40 Unlimited Prepaid 3G BroadbandService Tomorrow
George wrote:
> On 8/24/2010 9:39 PM, John Navas wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:46:15 -0700, in
>> <[email protected]>, SMS
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> George wrote:
>>>
>>>> Comcast is pitching "Comcast 2 Go" 4G really heavily. I was at a
>>>> location the other day and a buddy was interested so we were looking at
>>>> the coverage map. No 4G within 130 miles of here and Sprint 3G and 1X
>>>> are the fallback if you aren't in a 4G area. We couldn't believe
>>>> Sprints
>>>> coverage map both in (lack of) coverage and that most of the area
>>>> around
>>>> here is still 1X.
>>>
>>> And the map doesn't even show how poor the Sprint coverage (even 3G and
>>> voice) often is. There are areas near me, not even up in the hills or
>>> down in valleys, where Sprint's map shows coverage but there is actually
>>> none (at least T-Mobile is honest and their map shows no coverage in
>>> these areas). On the outskirts of town in, in the hills all the
>>> carrier's maps other than Verizon show that they have no coverage (and
>>> this is a source of a lot of complaints from those residents that want
>>> or have iPhones!).
>>
>> Pro Verizon propaganda that's complete nonsense.
>>
> So you believe you are omniscient?
Some are, some are not! You get to guess which!!
- 08-25-2010, 12:03 PM #15SMSGuest
Re: Virgin Mobile to Begin Offering $40 Unlimited Prepaid 3G BroadbandService Tomorrow
George wrote:
> On 8/25/2010 12:34 PM, John Navas wrote:
>> Except the Sprint network is not "very limited".
>
> Except it is. Just look at the link to the map I posted.
It is best not to respond when he presents incorrect information, which
unfortunately is most of the time.
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