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  1. #181
    AaronJ
    Guest

    Re: Pageplus vs Tracfone

    On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:06:42 -0500, tlvp <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:49:34 -0700, AaronJ wrote:
    >
    >> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:23:14 -0500, tlvp <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:31:11 -0700, AaronJ wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> "Cable telephone is not delivered over the public Internet as are
    >>>> other types of digital phone service, but rather via the cable company
    >>>> lines, which leads to excellent voice clarity and reliability"
    >>>
    >>>Is there no contradiction between the above and the next snippet?
    >>>
    >>>> "Cable telephony is a form of digital telephony over cable TV
    >>>> networks. A telephone interface installed at the customer's premises
    >>>> converts analog signals from the customer's in-home wiring to a
    >>>> digital signal, which is then sent over the cable connection to the
    >>>> company's switching center. The signal is then sent on to the public
    >>>> switched telephone network (PSTN). ...


    >My point, which evidently sailed well over your head,


    Not nice to be rude...

    >was this: if
    >"Cable telephone is ... delivered ... via the cable company lines,"
    >yet "analog signals from the customer ... [get] ... sent over the cable
    >connection ... to the public switched telephone network (PSTN) ..."


    It doesn't say that. Perhaps you don't understand how the cable phone
    modem is installed. Let me try to explain the above paragraph to you
    line by line.

    "A telephone interface installed at the customer's premises"

    That is the modem.

    "converts analog signals from the customer's in-home wiring"

    My phones are connected to my in-home phone wiring, not my cable
    wiring.The analog signals from the home wiring go into the phone input
    on the modem and come out the cable output as digital.

    "to a digital signal,"

    And the digital signal is fed from the modem into my home cable
    wiring.

    "digital signal, which is then sent over the cable connection to the
    company's switching center."

    The digital signal is then sent over the cable company lines.

    "The signal is then sent on to the public
    switched telephone network (PSTN)."

    So it can be routed on its way to other company networks.

    Whew, hope that helped.

    >Your comments on that?


    You need reading/comprehension help?




    See More: Pageplus vs Tracfone




  2. #182
    AaronJ
    Guest

    Re: Pageplus vs Tracfone

    On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:59:17 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:38:35 -0700, AaronJ
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:18:50 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:54:31 +0000 (UTC), Justin
    >>><[email protected]> wrote:

    >>
    >>>I don't know how it works where we are, but we had a bug power outage
    >>>and plugging a POTS phone into the wall jack worked even though we
    >>>have cable phone service.

    >>
    >>That's because you have a backup battery in your modem. If your power
    >>is off for several hours you may lose service when the battery dies.

    >
    >
    >There is no backup battery in my modem.


    There has to be a backup battery somewhere. Modems don't work without
    power. What modem do you have?




  3. #183
    AaronJ
    Guest

    Re: Pageplus vs Tracfone

    On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:12:02 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > AaronJ <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Recently I was able get substantial savings by cable bundling

    >
    >*bull*****


    Ok, tell me all about my bundling package, prices features ect. With
    such an intellectual opinion you must know my exact circumstances...



  4. #184
    Justin
    Guest

    Re: Pageplus vs Tracfone

    Paul Miner wrote on [Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:31:58 -0600]:
    > On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 20:32:19 +0000 (UTC), Justin <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Paul Miner wrote on [Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:17:40 -0600]:
    >>> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:48:12 +0000 (UTC), Justin <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>If comcast has an issue I need to wait a few days for a truck roll if they
    >>>>deem it a line issue. AT&T rolls a truck that day or night.
    >>>>
    >>>>The comcast data connection locked up on us three times last night.
    >>>
    >>> Have you done any basic troubleshooting? What do your signal levels
    >>> look like? What does "locked up" mean and what do you do to resolve
    >>> it, even if your solution is temporary?

    >>
    >>Levels generally look OK, however since I can't ping the modem when it
    >>is having connectivity issues I can't tell what the levels are then.

    >
    > What does 'generally look OK' mean? I take it to mean that they
    > sometimes don't look OK, which indicates a problem. Do you have
    > numbers? Downstream power and SNR would be nice, as well as upstream
    > power. Also, take a look at the modem's log for clues.


    Channel ID 1 4 7 8
    Frequency 561000000 Hz 579000000 Hz 549000000 Hz 555000000 Hz
    Signal to Noise Ratio 38 dB 37 dB 38 dB 38 dB
    Downstream Modulation QAM256 QAM256 QAM256 QAM256
    Power Level
    The Downstream Power Level reading is a snapshot taken at the time this page was requested. Please Reload/Refresh this Page for a new reading
    7 dBmV 6 dBmV 7 dBmV 7 dBmV

    >>locked up means the connection lights all go solid or the modem refuses
    >>to connect.

    >
    > Cable modems are technically very simple devices, essentially media
    > converters AKA coax-to-Ethernet bridges. There isn't much that can go
    > wrong. They frequently get blamed for issues, but are rarely the cause
    > of those issues. Since they're easy to swap, many technicians do it
    > just to make it look like they did something.
    >
    > In your case, do you have a router directly connected to the modem?
    > Routers frequently have issues of the kind you described, so I would
    > look there if you haven't already.


    Yes, I have a router, it too has been replaced a couple of times.

    We also have had many issues with the HD channels and cable cards



  5. #185
    Justin
    Guest

    Re: Pageplus vs Tracfone

    AaronJ wrote on [Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:21:37 -0700]:
    > On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:46:39 +0000 (UTC), Justin <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>AaronJ wrote on [Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:54:53 -0700]:
    >>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 23:41:51 -0700, Todd Allcock
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>AFAIK, there's no official definition of "landline" from the FCC or ITU
    >>>>or any similar body.
    >>>
    >>> Is there an 'official definition' of any common usage word? The
    >>> closest would be in current dictionaries wouldn't it? That's what I
    >>> posted.

    >>
    >>wikipedia is not a dictionary,

    >
    > True. It is not a dictionary, it is an encyclopedia.


    Sort of. It's a collection of articles that may or may not be accurate

    >>nor is it a valid cite site

    >
    > I'm not aware of any 'official' dictionary or encyclopedia sites.


    oed.com
    m-w.com
    britannica.com
    > for arguments sake they are more credible than Justin or AaronJ, so
    > that is why I cite so many sites...




  6. #186
    tlvp
    Guest

    Re: Pageplus vs Tracfone

    On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:52:16 -0700, AaronJ wrote:

    > On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:06:42 -0500, tlvp <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:49:34 -0700, AaronJ wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:23:14 -0500, tlvp <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:31:11 -0700, AaronJ wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> "Cable telephone is not delivered over the public Internet as are
    >>>>> other types of digital phone service, but rather via the cable company
    >>>>> lines, which leads to excellent voice clarity and reliability"
    >>>>
    >>>>Is there no contradiction between the above and the next snippet?
    >>>>
    >>>>> "Cable telephony is a form of digital telephony over cable TV
    >>>>> networks. A telephone interface installed at the customer's premises
    >>>>> converts analog signals from the customer's in-home wiring to a
    >>>>> digital signal, which is then sent over the cable connection to the
    >>>>> company's switching center. The signal is then sent on to the public
    >>>>> switched telephone network (PSTN). ...

    >
    >>My point, which evidently sailed well over your head,

    >
    > Not nice to be rude...
    >
    >>was this: if
    >>"Cable telephone is ... delivered ... via the cable company lines,"
    >>yet "analog signals from the customer ... [get] ... sent over the cable
    >>connection ... to the public switched telephone network (PSTN) ..."

    >
    > It doesn't say that. Perhaps you don't understand how the cable phone
    > modem is installed. Let me try to explain the above paragraph to you
    > line by line.
    >
    > "A telephone interface installed at the customer's premises"
    >
    > That is the modem.
    >
    > "converts analog signals from the customer's in-home wiring"
    >
    > My phones are connected to my in-home phone wiring, not my cable
    > wiring.The analog signals from the home wiring go into the phone input
    > on the modem and come out the cable output as digital.
    >
    > "to a digital signal,"
    >
    > And the digital signal is fed from the modem into my home cable
    > wiring.
    >
    > "digital signal, which is then sent over the cable connection to the
    > company's switching center."
    >
    > The digital signal is then sent over the cable company lines.
    >
    > "The signal is then sent on to the public
    > switched telephone network (PSTN)."
    >
    > So it can be routed on its way to other company networks.
    >
    > Whew, hope that helped.
    >
    >>Your comments on that?

    >
    > You need reading/comprehension help?


    No. The original author needed writing help. I know it works the way you've
    described it. But if you think that's what the author's words convey,
    you're just not reading those words as written, but as they *should* have
    been written :-) .

    And more than that it's not worth my time to make the effort to say.

    Cheers, -- tlvp
    --
    Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.



  7. #187
    tlvp
    Guest

    Re: Pageplus vs Tracfone

    On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:22:59 -0600, Paul Miner wrote:

    > On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:12:08 -0500, tlvp <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 00:24:12 -0600, Paul Miner wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:23:35 -0800, DevilsPGD
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>In the last episode of <[email protected]>,
    >>>>Paul Miner <[email protected]> said:
    >>>>
    >>>>>On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:23:14 -0500, tlvp <[email protected]>
    >>>>>wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:31:11 -0700, AaronJ wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "Cable telephone is not delivered over the public Internet as are
    >>>>>>> other types of digital phone service, but rather via the cable company
    >>>>>>> lines, which leads to excellent voice clarity and reliability"
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Is there no contradiction between the above and the next snippet?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "Cable telephony is a form of digital telephony over cable TV
    >>>>>>> networks. A telephone interface installed at the customer's premises
    >>>>>>> converts analog signals from the customer's in-home wiring to a
    >>>>>>> digital signal, which is then sent over the cable connection to the
    >>>>>>> company's switching center. The signal is then sent on to the public
    >>>>>>> switched telephone network (PSTN). ...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Or which part of "PSTN" is it that qualifies as "cable company lines"?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>I don't see any contradiction. The cable network has a connection to
    >>>>>the PSTN, but it's not part of the PSTN.
    >>>>
    >>>>It's as much a part of the PSTN as any local-only carrier.
    >>>
    >>> I'm not sure what that means, but there's a demarc between a cable
    >>> ISP's network and the PSTN. Neither is part of the other.

    >>
    >>Exactly. And that makes the initial statement, that "Cable telephone is ...
    >>delivered ... via ... cable company lines" less than fully truthful :-) .

    >
    > No, it's truthful. How about an example of two customers in different
    > states, both using cable telephone from their respective ISP. When one
    > calls the other, the call travels over the first cable company's
    > lines, through the PSTN, and then over the second cable company's
    > lines.


    I'm sorry, I cannot consider that the part that is, as you say, "through
    the PSTN", is also to be characterized as "via ... cable company lines."
    If you can, please do. But don't expect to be able to convince me to accept
    that "definition" of 'PSTN' as 'cable company lines'.

    > If a person uses cable telephone, there is no way to get phone calls
    > in or out without going over cable company lines. That's how you reach
    > the PSTN.


    So: wouldn't "delivered over cable company lines and the PSTN" be better?
    I'm outta here, thanks anyway.

    Cheers, -- tlvp
    --
    Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.



  8. #188
    DevilsPGD
    Guest

    Re: Pageplus vs Tracfone

    In the last episode of <[email protected]>, Justin
    <[email protected]> said:

    >AaronJ wrote on [Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:21:37 -0700]:
    >> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:46:39 +0000 (UTC), Justin <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>wikipedia is not a dictionary,

    >>
    >> True. It is not a dictionary, it is an encyclopedia.

    >
    >Sort of. It's a collection of articles that may or may not be accurate


    So is the internet. And?

    --
    It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to
    steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it.



  9. #189
    DevilsPGD
    Guest

    Re: Pageplus vs Tracfone

    In the last episode of <[email protected]>, Justin
    <[email protected]> said:

    >The POTS lines ARE more reliable.
    >
    >If comcast has an issue I need to wait a few days for a truck roll if they
    >deem it a line issue. AT&T rolls a truck that day or night.


    That's a business decision, one that not all cable carriers make. Shaw
    (for example) treats voice outage as high priority and you'll often have
    a tech on site same-day.

    >The comcast data connection locked up on us three times last night.


    Again, speaking of Shaw, that doesn't really make any difference. Shaw
    runs their voice service over a different set of hardware on the headend
    and a different set of hardware on the client side.

    --
    It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to
    steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it.



  10. #190
    Paul Miner
    Guest

    Re: Pageplus vs Tracfone

    On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 23:11:50 -0500, tlvp <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:22:59 -0600, Paul Miner wrote:
    >
    >> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:12:08 -0500, tlvp <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 00:24:12 -0600, Paul Miner wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:23:35 -0800, DevilsPGD
    >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>In the last episode of <[email protected]>,
    >>>>>Paul Miner <[email protected]> said:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:23:14 -0500, tlvp <[email protected]>
    >>>>>>wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:31:11 -0700, AaronJ wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> "Cable telephone is not delivered over the public Internet as are
    >>>>>>>> other types of digital phone service, but rather via the cable company
    >>>>>>>> lines, which leads to excellent voice clarity and reliability"
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Is there no contradiction between the above and the next snippet?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> "Cable telephony is a form of digital telephony over cable TV
    >>>>>>>> networks. A telephone interface installed at the customer's premises
    >>>>>>>> converts analog signals from the customer's in-home wiring to a
    >>>>>>>> digital signal, which is then sent over the cable connection to the
    >>>>>>>> company's switching center. The signal is then sent on to the public
    >>>>>>>> switched telephone network (PSTN). ...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Or which part of "PSTN" is it that qualifies as "cable company lines"?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>I don't see any contradiction. The cable network has a connection to
    >>>>>>the PSTN, but it's not part of the PSTN.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>It's as much a part of the PSTN as any local-only carrier.
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm not sure what that means, but there's a demarc between a cable
    >>>> ISP's network and the PSTN. Neither is part of the other.
    >>>
    >>>Exactly. And that makes the initial statement, that "Cable telephone is ...
    >>>delivered ... via ... cable company lines" less than fully truthful :-) .

    >>
    >> No, it's truthful. How about an example of two customers in different
    >> states, both using cable telephone from their respective ISP. When one
    >> calls the other, the call travels over the first cable company's
    >> lines, through the PSTN, and then over the second cable company's
    >> lines.

    >
    >I'm sorry, I cannot consider that the part that is, as you say, "through
    >the PSTN", is also to be characterized as "via ... cable company lines."
    >If you can, please do. But don't expect to be able to convince me to accept
    >that "definition" of 'PSTN' as 'cable company lines'.


    I've already said multiple times that the cable company lines are not
    part of the PSTN. Some ISPs connect their networks to the PSTN, but
    they are not part of the PSTN. How can I make that more clear?

    >> If a person uses cable telephone, there is no way to get phone calls
    >> in or out without going over cable company lines. That's how you reach
    >> the PSTN.

    >
    >So: wouldn't "delivered over cable company lines and the PSTN" be better?
    >I'm outta here, thanks anyway.


    I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but it looks like you've
    checked out so I guess I'll never know. I still don't see the
    contradiction or even the ambiguity that you seem to see.

    --
    Paul Miner



  11. #191
    Paul Miner
    Guest

    Re: Pageplus vs Tracfone

    On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 02:03:34 +0000 (UTC), Justin <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Paul Miner wrote on [Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:31:58 -0600]:
    >> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 20:32:19 +0000 (UTC), Justin <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Paul Miner wrote on [Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:17:40 -0600]:
    >>>> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:48:12 +0000 (UTC), Justin <[email protected]>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>If comcast has an issue I need to wait a few days for a truck roll if they
    >>>>>deem it a line issue. AT&T rolls a truck that day or night.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>The comcast data connection locked up on us three times last night.
    >>>>
    >>>> Have you done any basic troubleshooting? What do your signal levels
    >>>> look like? What does "locked up" mean and what do you do to resolve
    >>>> it, even if your solution is temporary?
    >>>
    >>>Levels generally look OK, however since I can't ping the modem when it
    >>>is having connectivity issues I can't tell what the levels are then.

    >>
    >> What does 'generally look OK' mean? I take it to mean that they
    >> sometimes don't look OK, which indicates a problem. Do you have
    >> numbers? Downstream power and SNR would be nice, as well as upstream
    >> power. Also, take a look at the modem's log for clues.

    >
    >Channel ID 1 4 7 8
    >Frequency 561000000 Hz 579000000 Hz 549000000 Hz 555000000 Hz
    >Signal to Noise Ratio 38 dB 37 dB 38 dB 38 dB
    >Downstream Modulation QAM256 QAM256 QAM256 QAM256
    >Power Level
    >The Downstream Power Level reading is a snapshot taken at the time this page was requested. Please Reload/Refresh this Page for a new reading
    > 7 dBmV 6 dBmV 7 dBmV 7 dBmV


    Everything looks great at the moment, so one question would be how
    stable are those numbers over time? Also, I wonder what they look like
    when things lock up? You'd probably have to bypass the router and
    connect a PC directly to the modem, setting it up with a 192.168.100.x
    IP address so it can talk to the modem's IP at 192.168.100.1 or
    whatever it is.

    >>>locked up means the connection lights all go solid or the modem refuses
    >>>to connect.

    >>
    >> Cable modems are technically very simple devices, essentially media
    >> converters AKA coax-to-Ethernet bridges. There isn't much that can go
    >> wrong. They frequently get blamed for issues, but are rarely the cause
    >> of those issues. Since they're easy to swap, many technicians do it
    >> just to make it look like they did something.
    >>
    >> In your case, do you have a router directly connected to the modem?
    >> Routers frequently have issues of the kind you described, so I would
    >> look there if you haven't already.

    >
    >Yes, I have a router, it too has been replaced a couple of times.
    >
    >We also have had many issues with the HD channels and cable cards


    Could be problems with the cable plant, but then I'd expect others on
    your node to be affected and hopefully complaining.

    I know you've tried working directly with your local Comcast office,
    but have you also posted in the Comcast newsgroup, the Comcast help
    forums, or the Comcast section of DSLReports? Lots of good resources
    hanging out in those places, ready to offer suggestions.

    --
    Paul Miner



  12. #192
    AaronJ
    Guest

    Re: Pageplus vs Tracfone

    On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 02:05:54 +0000 (UTC), Justin <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    >AaronJ wrote on [Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:21:37 -0700]:
    >> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:46:39 +0000 (UTC), Justin <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:


    >>>wikipedia is not a dictionary,


    >> True. It is not a dictionary, it is an encyclopedia.


    >Sort of.


    Not sort of, it is. From the site letterhead:

    "Welcome to Wikipedia,
    the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit."

    >It's a collection of articles


    Which is the definition of an encyclopedia.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/encyclopedia

    >that may or may not be accurate


    Which is true of all encyclopedias. But I agree that Wikipedia by the
    nature of its public editing may be less accurate than those with more
    credible authors.

    >> I'm not aware of any 'official' dictionary or encyclopedia sites.


    >oed.com
    >m-w.com
    >britannica.com


    These are not 'official' encyclopedias since they are not authorized
    by any proper authority, they are simply private companies trying to
    make a buck.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/official

    And for you, no more Wikipedia cites...



  13. #193
    AaronJ
    Guest

    Re: Pageplus vs Tracfone

    On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 23:02:47 -0500, tlvp <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >No. The original author needed writing help. I know it works the way you've
    >described it. But if you think that's what the author's words convey,
    >you're just not reading those words as written, but as they *should* have
    >been written :-) .


    So far you are the only one complaining. Two others here besides
    myself have posted that the cites appeared correct with no
    contradictions.

    >And more than that it's not worth my time to make the effort to say.


    I'll take that as your last word then. And you're right, I think we
    wore it out...



  14. #194
    Justin
    Guest

    Re: Pageplus vs Tracfone

    AaronJ wrote on [Wed, 01 Feb 2012 22:18:06 -0700]:
    > On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 02:05:54 +0000 (UTC), Justin <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >>AaronJ wrote on [Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:21:37 -0700]:
    >>> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:46:39 +0000 (UTC), Justin <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:

    >
    >>>>wikipedia is not a dictionary,

    >
    >>> True. It is not a dictionary, it is an encyclopedia.

    >
    >>Sort of.

    >
    > Not sort of, it is. From the site letterhead:
    >
    > "Welcome to Wikipedia,
    > the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit."
    >
    >>It's a collection of articles

    >
    > Which is the definition of an encyclopedia.
    >
    > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/encyclopedia


    From your link
    " encyclopedia - a reference work (often in several volumes) containing articles on various topics (often arranged in alphabetical order) dealing with the entire range of human knowledge or with some particular specialtyencyclopedia - a reference work (often in several volumes) containing articles on various topics (often arranged in alphabetical order) dealing with the entire range of human knowledge or with some particular specialty"

    Wikipedia is not a reference work.
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/reference+work

    >>> I'm not aware of any 'official' dictionary or encyclopedia sites.

    >
    >>oed.com
    >>m-w.com
    >>britannica.com

    >
    > These are not 'official' encyclopedias since they are not authorized
    > by any proper authority, they are simply private companies trying to
    > make a buck.


    They certainly could be considered 'official'.

    >
    > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/official


    That definition does not cover 'official'.
    http://www.unnecessaryquotes.com/



  15. #195
    Justin
    Guest

    Re: Pageplus vs Tracfone

    Paul Miner wrote on [Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:10:54 -0600]:
    > On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 02:03:34 +0000 (UTC), Justin <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Paul Miner wrote on [Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:31:58 -0600]:
    >>> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 20:32:19 +0000 (UTC), Justin <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Paul Miner wrote on [Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:17:40 -0600]:
    >>>>> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:48:12 +0000 (UTC), Justin <[email protected]>
    >>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>If comcast has an issue I need to wait a few days for a truck roll if they
    >>>>>>deem it a line issue. AT&T rolls a truck that day or night.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>The comcast data connection locked up on us three times last night.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Have you done any basic troubleshooting? What do your signal levels
    >>>>> look like? What does "locked up" mean and what do you do to resolve
    >>>>> it, even if your solution is temporary?
    >>>>
    >>>>Levels generally look OK, however since I can't ping the modem when it
    >>>>is having connectivity issues I can't tell what the levels are then.
    >>>
    >>> What does 'generally look OK' mean? I take it to mean that they
    >>> sometimes don't look OK, which indicates a problem. Do you have
    >>> numbers? Downstream power and SNR would be nice, as well as upstream
    >>> power. Also, take a look at the modem's log for clues.

    >>
    >>Channel ID 1 4 7 8
    >>Frequency 561000000 Hz 579000000 Hz 549000000 Hz 555000000 Hz
    >>Signal to Noise Ratio 38 dB 37 dB 38 dB 38 dB
    >>Downstream Modulation QAM256 QAM256 QAM256 QAM256
    >>Power Level
    >>The Downstream Power Level reading is a snapshot taken at the time this page was requested. Please Reload/Refresh this Page for a new reading
    >> 7 dBmV 6 dBmV 7 dBmV 7 dBmV

    >
    > Everything looks great at the moment, so one question would be how
    > stable are those numbers over time? Also, I wonder what they look like
    > when things lock up? You'd probably have to bypass the router and
    > connect a PC directly to the modem, setting it up with a 192.168.100.x
    > IP address so it can talk to the modem's IP at 192.168.100.1 or
    > whatever it is.


    Even direct connected it's rare to get much out of any of the modems
    I have had when the connection is flaky. When it's down it's possible

    > Could be problems with the cable plant, but then I'd expect others on
    > your node to be affected and hopefully complaining.


    Who knows, I can never get a straight answer. Besides, it's rare
    that I talk to a local person, whenever I call it's states away

    >
    > I know you've tried working directly with your local Comcast office,
    > but have you also posted in the Comcast newsgroup, the Comcast help
    > forums, or the Comcast section of DSLReports? Lots of good resources
    > hanging out in those places, ready to offer suggestions.


    Oh yeah, broadbandreports all the time



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