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  1. #1
    Watashi.wa.ichiban
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    "Rollover Minutes are unused, accumulated, Anytime minutes that roll
    over from month to month for up to 12 months. Minutes that roll over
    are not redeemable for cash or credits." (copied off Cingular web page)

    As confirmed by 2 Cingular customer service reps, the month in which
    you accumulate rollover minutes is the 1ST month of their rollover year
    which, of course, allows one only 11 months of potential usage !!!!!!!




    See More: 11 Month Rollover




  2. #2
    bamp
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    Re: 11 Month Rollover


    "Watashi.wa.ichiban" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Rollover Minutes are unused, accumulated, Anytime minutes that roll
    > over from month to month for up to 12 months. Minutes that roll over
    > are not redeemable for cash or credits." (copied off Cingular web page)
    >
    > As confirmed by 2 Cingular customer service reps, the month in which
    > you accumulate rollover minutes is the 1ST month of their rollover year
    > which, of course, allows one only 11 months of potential usage !!!!!!!
    >

    Does it really matter? Are you out of rollover minutes?

    ...
    bamp





  3. #3
    Watashi.wa.ichiban
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    Re: 11 Month Rollover

    Just lost 102 minutes - rollover=prepaid
    to me its likie losing a gift card.........




  4. #4
    Aaron
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    Re: 11 Month Rollover


    "Watashi.wa.ichiban" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Just lost 102 minutes - rollover=prepaid
    > to me its likie losing a gift card.........
    >


    but you gain the minutes you didnt use.. if you have rollover minutes from a
    year ago, then you wont use them anyway..





  5. #5
    John Navas
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    Re: 11 Month Rollover

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on 3 Dec 2005
    09:31:55 -0800, "Watashi.wa.ichiban" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Rollover Minutes are unused, accumulated, Anytime minutes that roll
    >over from month to month for up to 12 months. Minutes that roll over
    >are not redeemable for cash or credits." (copied off Cingular web page)
    >
    >As confirmed by 2 Cingular customer service reps, the month in which
    >you accumulate rollover minutes is the 1ST month of their rollover year
    >which, of course, allows one only 11 months of potential usage !!!!!!!


    Not true.
    <http://onlinestored.cingular.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ES_AUX_PLAN_TERMS.jsp>:

    Rollover Minutes: Rollover Minutes accumulate and expire through 12
    rolling bill periods. Bill Period 1 (activation) unused Anytime
    Minutes will not carry over. Bill Period 2 unused Anytime Minutes
    will begin to carry over. Rollover Minutes accumulated starting with
    Bill Period 2 will expire each bill period as they reach a 12 bill
    period age. Rollover Minutes will also expire immediately upon
    default or if customer changes to a non-Rollover plan. Rollover
    Minutes are not redeemable for cash or credit and are not
    transferable. Night and Weekend and Mobile to Mobile minutes do not
    carry over.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  6. #6
    marx404
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    Re: 11 Month Rollover

    and if you primarily use Family Plan cellular to cellular no minutes are
    used ergo, we have over 4000 minutes! I cant complain about that, what we
    dont use well use, but we will accrue rollover minutes before we know it!

    marx404





  7. #7
    Watashi.wa.ichiban
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    Re: 11 Month Rollover

    "as they reach a 12 bill period age."
    Assume 1.I enter January without any rollover minutes
    2.January is not my activation month
    3.Billing period ends on 30th of month
    If I rollover 10 minutes at the end of January, I'm saying that they
    will expire on my DECEMBER 30th billing - allowing me only 11 months of
    rollover...

    Are you saying that the 10 minutes will expire on the following
    January's billing??




  8. #8
    troyboy30
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    It's been that way for years, what's your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Watashi.wa.ichiban
    "as they reach a 12 bill period age."
    Assume 1.I enter January without any rollover minutes
    2.January is not my activation month
    3.Billing period ends on 30th of month
    If I rollover 10 minutes at the end of January, I'm saying that they
    will expire on my DECEMBER 30th billing - allowing me only 11 months of
    rollover...

    Are you saying that the 10 minutes will expire on the following
    January's billing??



  9. #9
    Watashi.wa.ichiban
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    Re: 11 Month Rollover

    Negative - when looking at the Dec 30th billing - they'll be
    gone...........




  10. #10
    troyboy30
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    quick tip - use them before they expire! They started the 12 month exp. to put an end to the huge number of people who took advantage of the loop hole thats existed with the original rollover setup. Until a couple of years ago rollover minutes never expired. BUt you could also change plans as often as you wanted. So people would change to a much larger minute plan than they would ever use in a month so they could build up rollover minutes quickly. Then after 2 months when you have plenty of rollover saved up they would change back to the el-chepo plan and live off of those minutes for 6 months. So now they put an end to that! They not only expire in 12 months, but if you change to a lower plan that comes with less rollover minutes that you have saved up, you loose the difference. So if you have 2000 rollover min and you want to change to a cheaper plan, but it only comes with 1000 rm's, you loose your other 1000 minutes. That will put a stop to them building up minutes and then switching back!

    Quote Originally Posted by Watashi.wa.ichiban
    Negative - when looking at the Dec 30th billing - they'll be
    gone...........



  11. #11
    John Navas
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    Re: 11 Month Rollover

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:27:15
    -0600, troyboy30 <[email protected]> wrote:

    >quick tip - use them before they expire! They started the 12 month exp.
    >to put an end to the huge number of people who took advantage of the
    >loop hole thats existed with the original rollover setup. Until a
    >couple of years ago rollover minutes never expired. BUt you could also
    >change plans as often as you wanted. So people would change to a much
    >larger minute plan than they would ever use in a month so they could
    >build up rollover minutes quickly. Then after 2 months when you have
    >plenty of rollover saved up they would change back to the el-chepo plan
    >and live off of those minutes for 6 months. So now they put an end to
    >that! They not only expire in 12 months, but if you change to a lower
    >plan that comes with less rollover minutes that you have saved up, you
    >loose the difference. So if you have 2000 rollover min and you want to
    >change to a cheaper plan, but it only comes with 1000 rm's, you loose
    >your other 1000 minutes. That will put a stop to them building up
    >minutes and then switching back!


    I don't think Cingular can legally change the terms like that retroactively,
    and I'm pretty confident it would back down if challenged.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  12. #12
    troyboy30
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    They can change whatever they want whenever they want. You don't have rollover minutes that don't expire now do you?


    Quote Originally Posted by John Navas
    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:27:15
    -0600, troyboy30 <[email protected]> wrote:

    >quick tip - use them before they expire! They started the 12 month exp.
    >to put an end to the huge number of people who took advantage of the
    >loop hole thats existed with the original rollover setup. Until a
    >couple of years ago rollover minutes never expired. BUt you could also
    >change plans as often as you wanted. So people would change to a much
    >larger minute plan than they would ever use in a month so they could
    >build up rollover minutes quickly. Then after 2 months when you have
    >plenty of rollover saved up they would change back to the el-chepo plan
    >and live off of those minutes for 6 months. So now they put an end to
    >that! They not only expire in 12 months, but if you change to a lower
    >plan that comes with less rollover minutes that you have saved up, you
    >loose the difference. So if you have 2000 rollover min and you want to
    >change to a cheaper plan, but it only comes with 1000 rm's, you loose
    >your other 1000 minutes. That will put a stop to them building up
    >minutes and then switching back!


    I don't think Cingular can legally change the terms like that retroactively,
    and I'm pretty confident it would back down if challenged.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  13. #13
    John Navas
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    Re: 11 Month Rollover

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:29:48
    -0600, troyboy30 <[email protected]> wrote:

    >They can change whatever they want whenever they want. ...


    Not without warning and without allowing you to cancel without penalty if you
    don't accept the change.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  14. #14
    John Navas
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    Re: 11 Month Rollover

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Tue, 06 Dec 2005
    07:14:16 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> >They can change whatever they want whenever they want. ...

    >>
    >> Not without warning and without allowing you to cancel without penalty if you
    >> don't accept the change.

    >
    >"By paying your bill, you agree to these changes in terms."
    >
    >Don't you read the crap they put in the envelope?


    1. I don't get a paper bill.

    2. What the Service Agreement actually says (in part):

    In the event that we make such a change that has a material adverse impact
    (or other standard as may be required by law) on your rights or use of the
    Service, you may terminate the Agreement as described in the notice we
    provide, and you will not be charged any cancellation fee. ... Any change
    will take effect by your next billing cycle, and your continued use of the
    Service will be deemed to constitute your express consent to the changes.

    We may send you notices by mail or electronic means, in our sole
    discretion. Notices to you shall be effective 1) 3 days following the date
    deposited in the U.S. Mail or delivered to a nationally recognized courier
    or delivery service to your address as kept in our files and/or 2)
    immediately upon our transmission using an electronic means such as e-mail
    or text messaging service.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  15. #15
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: 11 Month Rollover

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Tue, 06 Dec 2005
    22:46:31 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article
    ><[email protected]>,
    > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> >> >They can change whatever they want whenever they want. ...
    >> >>
    >> >> Not without warning and without allowing you to cancel without penalty if
    >> >> you
    >> >> don't accept the change.
    >> >
    >> >"By paying your bill, you agree to these changes in terms."
    >> >
    >> >Don't you read the crap they put in the envelope?

    >>
    >> 1. I don't get a paper bill.
    >>
    >> 2. What the Service Agreement actually says (in part):
    >>
    >> In the event that we make such a change that has a material adverse impact
    >> (or other standard as may be required by law) on your rights or use of the
    >> Service, you may terminate the Agreement as described in the notice we
    >> provide, and you will not be charged any cancellation fee. ... Any change
    >> will take effect by your next billing cycle, and your continued use of the
    >> Service will be deemed to constitute your express consent to the changes.
    >>
    >> We may send you notices by mail or electronic means, in our sole
    >> discretion. Notices to you shall be effective 1) 3 days following the date
    >> deposited in the U.S. Mail or delivered to a nationally recognized courier
    >> or delivery service to your address as kept in our files and/or 2)
    >> immediately upon our transmission using an electronic means such as e-mail
    >> or text messaging service.

    >
    >So: the change is effective immediately, as per the above paragraph.
    >
    >So it's up to you to notice it and take action to stop it.


    You obviously have a reading comprehension problem.

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    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



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