Damn Vodafone/Ericsson K700i...

"Ronny" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:cgne4j$kth$1

> I have taken some pics indoors, does yours look like this, as I dont think
> there that bad

well, maybe my pics will look better when viewed on a proper computer
screen...

what about your video cam? Does it work okay? EVERYTHING (or rather,
anything that moves) comes out blurry and heavily pixelised...

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"BC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Ronny" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:cgne4j$kth$1
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>> I have taken some pics indoors, does yours look like this, as I dont
>> think
>> there that bad
>
> well, maybe my pics will look better when viewed on a proper computer
> screen...
>
> what about your video cam? Does it work okay? EVERYTHING (or rather,
> anything that moves) comes out blurry and heavily pixelised...
>
> <=[BC]=>
>
>

Nope mine are fine, just move the phone slower, and do it outside, its not a
camcorder, you will get better results outside

Just recieved the new unbranded K700i, its much better, its got sound
recorder and other new functions on, that were not on the ****ty Vodafone
one

< happy

Ronny

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:56:57 +1200, BC wrote:

> I just got me a new Ericsson K700i today... And I am NOT impressed. The
> phone itself's okay I guess, though I WAS a bit disappointed with the pic
> quality of its camera... (anyways you guys can probably guess from the
> subject header WHY I am so pissed off...) Damn Vodafone! They have
> disabled the using MP3 as ringtone feature?! Is there are way around this?
>
> <=[BC]=>

Wouldn't this be simply solved by having your phone unlocked somewhere,
and then giving it to SE to upgrade the firmware? I was led to believe
that the machine autodetects the branding and upgrades the firmware to
keep it in place. But with unlocking beforehand, surely it would all
default to the SE unbranded defaults?

Am I right here?

"Axl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:56:57 +1200, BC wrote:
>
>> I just got me a new Ericsson K700i today... And I am NOT impressed. The
>> phone itself's okay I guess, though I WAS a bit disappointed with the pic
>> quality of its camera... (anyways you guys can probably guess from the
>> subject header WHY I am so pissed off...) Damn Vodafone! They have
>> disabled the using MP3 as ringtone feature?! Is there are way around
>> this?

> Wouldn't this be simply solved by having your phone unlocked somewhere,
> and then giving it to SE to upgrade the firmware? I was led to believe
> that the machine autodetects the branding and upgrades the firmware to
> keep it in place. But with unlocking beforehand, surely it would all
> default to the SE unbranded defaults?
>
> Am I right here?

I'm having a little trouble finding the unlocking codes/sequence... heck,
I'm having trouble finding the firmware upgrades.

I spoke to the people at Vodafone about the locked MP3-ringtone feature, and
was told by their staff that they were not aware of this problem, and that
there was nothing they could do for me. I was surprised, and told them that
it was a worldwide problem, a very common worldwide problem. They thought I
was mad or something...

well, if someone finds a way to unlock this feature, please tell me how.
also can anyone tell me where I can find fireware updates on the net?

<=[BC]=>

If your phone is customised (Vodafone, Orange & T-Mobile) you can't firmware
upgrade the phone yet as the software isn't availible - thats info is from a
Sony E Service Centre in North London (The best in London I might add)

The Prof


"BC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Axl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:56:57 +1200, BC wrote:
>>
>>> I just got me a new Ericsson K700i today... And I am NOT impressed.
>>> The
>>> phone itself's okay I guess, though I WAS a bit disappointed with the
>>> pic
>>> quality of its camera... (anyways you guys can probably guess from the
>>> subject header WHY I am so pissed off...) Damn Vodafone! They have
>>> disabled the using MP3 as ringtone feature?! Is there are way around
>>> this?
>
>> Wouldn't this be simply solved by having your phone unlocked somewhere,
>> and then giving it to SE to upgrade the firmware? I was led to believe
>> that the machine autodetects the branding and upgrades the firmware to
>> keep it in place. But with unlocking beforehand, surely it would all
>> default to the SE unbranded defaults?
>>
>> Am I right here?
>
> I'm having a little trouble finding the unlocking codes/sequence... heck,
> I'm having trouble finding the firmware upgrades.
>
> I spoke to the people at Vodafone about the locked MP3-ringtone feature,
> and was told by their staff that they were not aware of this problem, and
> that there was nothing they could do for me. I was surprised, and told
> them that it was a worldwide problem, a very common worldwide problem.
> They thought I was mad or something...
>
> well, if someone finds a way to unlock this feature, please tell me how.
> also can anyone tell me where I can find fireware updates on the net?
>
> <=[BC]=>
>

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:11:30 +0000, TheProf807 wrote:

>
> If your phone is customised (Vodafone, Orange & T-Mobile) you can't firmware
> upgrade the phone yet as the software isn't availible - thats info is from a
> Sony E Service Centre in North London (The best in London I might add)
>
> The Prof
>

Yeah, BUT, if you get the phone unlocked, then technically speaking, it's
not customised anymore, which means that the service centre machine would
detect this, and just upgrade to the latest default SE firmware. That's my
theory, which I wanted to sound out here to see if it makes sense to
anyone. There are a few places in London that will unlock a K700 for you.

Doesn't work like that - unlocked just mean you can use it on any network -
customisation is the 'personal touch' each network provider give the phone.
For example if you have a Vodafone branded and customised phone then by
unlocking it you can use it on any network but the graphics and underlying
software on the phone will still be Vodafone.

Like I said the networks are aware of this issue- vodafone intend to have
the problem resolved by an 'over the air' upgrade en masse later this
month - you'll have to wait a bit longer for the hackers to come up with a
way to get around the network customisation issue - there are security issue
that if you try to get around will render your phone useless - so don't try
it yet.....


Hope that helps

The Prof



"Axl" <[email protected]> wrote in message news[email protected]...
> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:11:30 +0000, TheProf807 wrote:
>
>>
>> If your phone is customised (Vodafone, Orange & T-Mobile) you can't
>> firmware
>> upgrade the phone yet as the software isn't availible - thats info is
>> from a
>> Sony E Service Centre in North London (The best in London I might add)
>>
>> The Prof
>>
>
> Yeah, BUT, if you get the phone unlocked, then technically speaking, it's
> not customised anymore, which means that the service centre machine would
> detect this, and just upgrade to the latest default SE firmware. That's my
> theory, which I wanted to sound out here to see if it makes sense to
> anyone. There are a few places in London that will unlock a K700 for you.

"Axl" <[email protected]> wrote in message news[email protected]...
> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:11:30 +0000, TheProf807 wrote:
>
>>
>> If your phone is customised (Vodafone, Orange & T-Mobile) you can't
>> firmware
>> upgrade the phone yet as the software isn't availible - thats info is
>> from a
>> Sony E Service Centre in North London (The best in London I might add)
>>
>> The Prof
>>
>
> Yeah, BUT, if you get the phone unlocked, then technically speaking, it's
> not customised anymore,

I think you'll find it is very much still customised.

> which means that the service centre machine would
> detect this, and just upgrade to the latest default SE firmware.

No, the customisation if held in the firmware of the phone and has
absolutely nothing to do with the phone being locked.

> That's my
> theory, which I wanted to sound out here to see if it makes sense to
> anyone. There are a few places in London that will unlock a K700 for you.

Unlock it, yes. Unbrand it, no. No-one (including SE Service Centres) can
unbrand the K700i or F500 yet.

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Sorry, I don't think I explained my theory well enough.

Like you say, customisation is in the firmware. However, I was told that
the SE service centre machines that can do firmware upgrades "autodetect"
the phone and fetch the latest firmware available for that
branding/provider etc. So you go in with a Voda branded handset and you
get the latest Voda firmware.

Therefore, my theory was, that a Vodafone branded phone is identified by
the fact that it's locked to the Vodafone network, rather than any files
that make up the branding (this is pure speculation). Now if you were to
get it unlocked so it was unattached to any network, would the SE service
centre machines then detect it as a network neutral phone and update the
firmware to the default, SE firmware, therby over-writing all the Vodafone
crap.

Hope that makes sense.

And yes, I've heard there might be an over-the-air upgrade, but I've only
heard that on here and I'm not sure I believe it. Can't really see them
detecting K700s all over their network and somehow patching the firmware
as if by magic. I'd LOVE for this to be the case, but I just don't see it
happening.

"Axl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Sorry, I don't think I explained my theory well enough.
>
> Like you say, customisation is in the firmware. However, I was told that
> the SE service centre machines that can do firmware upgrades "autodetect"
> the phone and fetch the latest firmware available for that
> branding/provider etc. So you go in with a Voda branded handset and you
> get the latest Voda firmware.

Correct (to a point).

> Therefore, my theory was, that a Vodafone branded phone is identified by
> the fact that it's locked to the Vodafone network, rather than any files
> that make up the branding (this is pure speculation).

And absolutely wrong I'm afraid. It's identified by the firmware and GDFS
on the phone and specifically the CDA number. Unlocking it will make no
difference whatsoever.

> Now if you were to
> get it unlocked so it was unattached to any network, would the SE service
> centre machines then detect it as a network neutral phone and update the
> firmware to the default, SE firmware, therby over-writing all the Vodafone
> crap.

No, they'd identify it as a Voda handset and update it accordingly.

>
> Hope that makes sense.
>
> And yes, I've heard there might be an over-the-air upgrade, but I've only
> heard that on here and I'm not sure I believe it. Can't really see them
> detecting K700s all over their network and somehow patching the firmware
> as if by magic. I'd LOVE for this to be the case, but I just don't see it
> happening.

They did off updates over the net similar to the P900 for a short while, but
I don't know if that is still the case.

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Richard,

thanks for the information. I didn't know they used GDFS/CDA number. Fair
enough then. Fingers crossed that they do the over the air upgrade (or
even a non over-the-air upgrade).

"Axl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Richard,
>
> thanks for the information. I didn't know they used GDFS/CDA number. Fair
> enough then. Fingers crossed that they do the over the air upgrade (or
> even a non over-the-air upgrade).

Unbranding will come (eventually) for the K700i, but I can't see it being
any time soon, and I doubt very much that any official service centre will
offer to do it. I know many of the flashing solution teams are working on
it, but it's causing no end of problems.

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"ronny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "BC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > I just got me a new Ericsson K700i today... And I am NOT impressed.
The
> > phone itself's okay I guess, though I WAS a bit disappointed with the
pic
> > quality of its camera... (anyways you guys can probably guess from the
> > subject header WHY I am so pissed off...) Damn Vodafone! They have
> > disabled the using MP3 as ringtone feature?! Is there are way around
> this?
> >
> > <=[BC]=>
> >
> >
>
> Can you send files to your phone ie bluetooth dongle??
>
> If so can you try somthing for me or anyone with a k700i
>
> rename the mp3 you want to copy to .mid
>
> send it to the phone
>
> try and assign it as a ringtone,
>
> I dont know if it will work, but I can play .mid files on my pc ok so dont
> see why it wont work
can't do it like that,
since on yr computer, it is windows media player u r using probably to play
both mp3 files and midi files, so it takes care of it (though i've not tried
it)
but on the phone , the s/w are always limited and the piece of s/w that
renders ringtone would not have codecs for playing mp3 files.


>
> Its a long shot but worth a try, I have left my dongle at work so cant
test
> it, I only got my phone today as well
>
> Ronny
>
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