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- 08-14-2003, 04:42 PM #46Carl.Guest
Re: P810/P900
"Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Carl." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> And your point is...?
> >
> >That we are discussing the metaphoric definition (i.e., how the literal
> >definition is best related to non-quantum objects).
>
> Is that the Royal We?
You can disclaim membership in "we," but the discussion was started as an
argument over someone's use of "quantum leap" as a metaphor applied to a
phone and you would in fact be talking about a slightly different issue.
You firmly stated something about the literal definition having no question,
but that doesn't address the issue of it being a reasonable metaphor as
applied to the p900.
So the "We" refers to all people in the discussion that have not drifted
from the original topic.
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- 08-14-2003, 04:47 PM #47Carl.Guest
Re: P810/P900
A quantum leap is the movement from one energy level to another without an
intermediate step, no?
Therefore, a reasonable metaphor would be that a change from one type of
operating system to another, completely different one in order to improve it
to the desired level all at once, would be a quantum leap as opposed to the
continued use of the same operating system that is gradually upgraded to
whatever desired performance level, which could be metaphorically called
evolution.
"Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Andrew Fenton" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I'm sure you can guess which was the intended in this context
>
> Do you remember a pop single called "Manic Monday"? It was about
> someone who was really depressed on the Monday in question.
>
> Seems that a lot of people think that "Manic" means the same as
> "Depressive" because they read it in the phrase "Manic Depressive".
>
> As a result, one day, dictionaries will have definitions for manic
> that say:
>
> 1. On a "high" of activity and brightness
>
> 2. Depressed
>
> And someone like you will attempt to justify the (mis)use of the word
> on the basis that so many people have completely misunderstood the
> meaning of the word that it has to be in the dictionary for is
> incorrect meaning as well as its correct one.
>
> And I'll still say that 2. is just plain wrong.
>
> Iain
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> http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html
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- 08-14-2003, 04:56 PM #48John NavasGuest
Re: P810/P900
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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:21:27
+0100, Iain Harrison <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Ziggi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>otherwise you would know that.
>>Good day.
>
>I would know what, top-poster?
>
>How to post usenet comments? Clearly you don't.
>
>Come on: be specific about your physics credentials.
And you? How about your linguistic credentials while you're at it? ;-)
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- 08-14-2003, 04:58 PM #49John NavasGuest
Re: P810/P900
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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:16:19
+0100, Iain Harrison <[email protected]> wrote:
>And I'll still say that 2. is just plain wrong.
You are, of course, free to say whatever you want, no matter how wrong.
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- 08-15-2003, 09:57 AM #50ZiggiGuest
Re: P810/P900
4 years studying physics at Cambridge. Go to www-jcsu.jesus.cam.uk/~oa207/
and you will see a little personalised message I left for you.
Ziggi
ps, and what exactly are your credentials?
"Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Ziggi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >otherwise you would know that.
> >Good day.
>
> I would know what, top-poster?
>
> How to post usenet comments? Clearly you don't.
>
> Come on: be specific about your physics credentials.
>
> Iain
> --
>
> The Hairydog Guide to UK mobile phones
> http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html
- 08-15-2003, 05:30 PM #51Steve TerryGuest
Re: P810/P900
"Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Andrew Fenton" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I'm sure you can guess which was the intended in this context
>
> Do you remember a pop single called "Manic Monday"? It was about
> someone who was really depressed on the Monday in question.
> Seems that a lot of people think that "Manic" means the same as
> "Depressive" because they read it in the phrase "Manic Depressive".
> As a result, one day, dictionaries will have definitions for manic
> that say:
> 1. On a "high" of activity and brightness
> 2. Depressed
>
Umm... Manic, as in Manic depressive, refers to the up cycle of a so called
BI polar affective disorder, Depression being the down cycle of the same
condition
I think you could of picked a better analogy.
Steve Terry
- 08-15-2003, 06:08 PM #52Carl.Guest
Re: P810/P900
"Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Andrew Fenton" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >I'm sure you can guess which was the intended in this context
> >
> > Do you remember a pop single called "Manic Monday"? It was about
> > someone who was really depressed on the Monday in question.
> > Seems that a lot of people think that "Manic" means the same as
> > "Depressive" because they read it in the phrase "Manic Depressive".
> > As a result, one day, dictionaries will have definitions for manic
> > that say:
> > 1. On a "high" of activity and brightness
> > 2. Depressed
> >
> Umm... Manic, as in Manic depressive, refers to the up cycle of a so
called
> BI polar affective disorder, Depression being the down cycle of the same
> condition
>
> I think you could of picked a better analogy.
He picked a perfect analogy. He was making a point of how that would be a
WRONG definition.
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- 08-17-2003, 01:46 AM #53Lina och NiallGuest
Re: P810/P900
"Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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> Seems that a lot of people think that "Manic" means the same as
> "Depressive" because they read it in the phrase "Manic Depressive".
> As a result, one day, dictionaries will have definitions for manic
> that say:
> 1. On a "high" of activity and brightness
> 2. Depressed
I am kind of with you on this but the fact is that languages evolve. We
are using words in a different way to how they were used 100 years ago, so I
suppose you just have to accept this kind of change.
My main concern (after watching talk-shows etc...) is that in a few
decades all adjectives will simply mean "good" or "bad"
> And someone like you will attempt to justify the (mis)use of the word
> on the basis that so many people have completely misunderstood the
> meaning of the word that it has to be in the dictionary for is
> incorrect meaning as well as its correct one.
>
> And I'll still say that 2. is just plain wrong.
>
> Iain
> --
>
> The Hairydog Guide to UK mobile phones
> http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html
- 08-17-2003, 02:09 AM #54Carl.Guest
Re: P810/P900
"Lina och Niall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Seems that a lot of people think that "Manic" means the same as
> > "Depressive" because they read it in the phrase "Manic Depressive".
> > As a result, one day, dictionaries will have definitions for manic
> > that say:
> > 1. On a "high" of activity and brightness
> > 2. Depressed
>
> I am kind of with you on this but the fact is that languages evolve. We
> are using words in a different way to how they were used 100 years ago, so
I
> suppose you just have to accept this kind of change.
The dictionaries are partly to blame. They throw new "definitions" in the
mix without noting which ones are incorrect slang uses (sometimes they do,
sometimes they don't). If the dictionary were to add the flat word
"depressed" as another definition for manic (simply because people used it),
the word manic will lose its meaning because eventually you won't be able to
use the word and have people know what you mean.
Additionally, people that want to know the correct definition won't always
be able to rely on the dictionary for an answer. Some dictionaries will
have a note that gives the origin of the word, and from that you can match
the meaning of the original word to the correct definition, but then when
they don't you can't tell if all definitions are correct or if they simply
left it out.
>
> My main concern (after watching talk-shows etc...) is that in a few
> decades all adjectives will simply mean "good" or "bad"
That's where we're headed, without actual comprehension of what we are
saying. I have to wonder if, every time I can't think the "right word" to
use, there might be or have been a word for it, but it got slopped around.
To start a new off-topic debate, wasn't it originally slashed or hyphenated?
Manic-depressive? Such a *****ing would indicate the either/or nature of
the term.
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- 09-08-2003, 04:01 PM #55ZiggiGuest
Re: P810/P900
4 years studying physics at Cambridge. Go to www-jcsu.jesus.cam.uk/~oa207/
and you will see a little personalised message I left for you.
Ziggi
ps, and what exactly are your credentials?
"Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Ziggi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >otherwise you would know that.
> >Good day.
>
> I would know what, top-poster?
>
> How to post usenet comments? Clearly you don't.
>
> Come on: be specific about your physics credentials.
>
> Iain
> --
>
> The Hairydog Guide to UK mobile phones
> http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html
- 09-08-2003, 04:35 PM #56Carl.Guest
Re: P810/P900
"Lina och Niall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Seems that a lot of people think that "Manic" means the same as
> > "Depressive" because they read it in the phrase "Manic Depressive".
> > As a result, one day, dictionaries will have definitions for manic
> > that say:
> > 1. On a "high" of activity and brightness
> > 2. Depressed
>
> I am kind of with you on this but the fact is that languages evolve. We
> are using words in a different way to how they were used 100 years ago, so
I
> suppose you just have to accept this kind of change.
The dictionaries are partly to blame. They throw new "definitions" in the
mix without noting which ones are incorrect slang uses (sometimes they do,
sometimes they don't). If the dictionary were to add the flat word
"depressed" as another definition for manic (simply because people used it),
the word manic will lose its meaning because eventually you won't be able to
use the word and have people know what you mean.
Additionally, people that want to know the correct definition won't always
be able to rely on the dictionary for an answer. Some dictionaries will
have a note that gives the origin of the word, and from that you can match
the meaning of the original word to the correct definition, but then when
they don't you can't tell if all definitions are correct or if they simply
left it out.
>
> My main concern (after watching talk-shows etc...) is that in a few
> decades all adjectives will simply mean "good" or "bad"
That's where we're headed, without actual comprehension of what we are
saying. I have to wonder if, every time I can't think the "right word" to
use, there might be or have been a word for it, but it got slopped around.
To start a new off-topic debate, wasn't it originally slashed or hyphenated?
Manic-depressive? Such a *****ing would indicate the either/or nature of
the term.
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- 09-08-2003, 04:35 PM #57Lina och NiallGuest
Re: P810/P900
"Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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> Seems that a lot of people think that "Manic" means the same as
> "Depressive" because they read it in the phrase "Manic Depressive".
> As a result, one day, dictionaries will have definitions for manic
> that say:
> 1. On a "high" of activity and brightness
> 2. Depressed
I am kind of with you on this but the fact is that languages evolve. We
are using words in a different way to how they were used 100 years ago, so I
suppose you just have to accept this kind of change.
My main concern (after watching talk-shows etc...) is that in a few
decades all adjectives will simply mean "good" or "bad"
> And someone like you will attempt to justify the (mis)use of the word
> on the basis that so many people have completely misunderstood the
> meaning of the word that it has to be in the dictionary for is
> incorrect meaning as well as its correct one.
>
> And I'll still say that 2. is just plain wrong.
>
> Iain
> --
>
> The Hairydog Guide to UK mobile phones
> http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html
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