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  1. #46
    Carl.
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    Re: P810/P900

    "Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Carl." <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >> And your point is...?

    > >
    > >That we are discussing the metaphoric definition (i.e., how the literal
    > >definition is best related to non-quantum objects).

    >
    > Is that the Royal We?


    You can disclaim membership in "we," but the discussion was started as an
    argument over someone's use of "quantum leap" as a metaphor applied to a
    phone and you would in fact be talking about a slightly different issue.
    You firmly stated something about the literal definition having no question,
    but that doesn't address the issue of it being a reasonable metaphor as
    applied to the p900.

    So the "We" refers to all people in the discussion that have not drifted
    from the original topic.


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  2. #47
    Carl.
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    Re: P810/P900

    A quantum leap is the movement from one energy level to another without an
    intermediate step, no?

    Therefore, a reasonable metaphor would be that a change from one type of
    operating system to another, completely different one in order to improve it
    to the desired level all at once, would be a quantum leap as opposed to the
    continued use of the same operating system that is gradually upgraded to
    whatever desired performance level, which could be metaphorically called
    evolution.


    "Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Andrew Fenton" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >I'm sure you can guess which was the intended in this context

    >
    > Do you remember a pop single called "Manic Monday"? It was about
    > someone who was really depressed on the Monday in question.
    >
    > Seems that a lot of people think that "Manic" means the same as
    > "Depressive" because they read it in the phrase "Manic Depressive".
    >
    > As a result, one day, dictionaries will have definitions for manic
    > that say:
    >
    > 1. On a "high" of activity and brightness
    >
    > 2. Depressed
    >
    > And someone like you will attempt to justify the (mis)use of the word
    > on the basis that so many people have completely misunderstood the
    > meaning of the word that it has to be in the dictionary for is
    > incorrect meaning as well as its correct one.
    >
    > And I'll still say that 2. is just plain wrong.
    >
    > Iain
    > --
    >
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    > http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html



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  3. #48
    John Navas
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    Re: P810/P900

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    In <[email protected]> on Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:21:27
    +0100, Iain Harrison <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Ziggi" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>otherwise you would know that.
    >>Good day.

    >
    >I would know what, top-poster?
    >
    >How to post usenet comments? Clearly you don't.
    >
    >Come on: be specific about your physics credentials.


    And you? How about your linguistic credentials while you're at it? ;-)

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  4. #49
    John Navas
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    Re: P810/P900

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    In <[email protected]> on Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:16:19
    +0100, Iain Harrison <[email protected]> wrote:

    >And I'll still say that 2. is just plain wrong.


    You are, of course, free to say whatever you want, no matter how wrong.

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  5. #50
    Ziggi
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    Re: P810/P900

    4 years studying physics at Cambridge. Go to www-jcsu.jesus.cam.uk/~oa207/
    and you will see a little personalised message I left for you.

    Ziggi

    ps, and what exactly are your credentials?

    "Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Ziggi" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >otherwise you would know that.
    > >Good day.

    >
    > I would know what, top-poster?
    >
    > How to post usenet comments? Clearly you don't.
    >
    > Come on: be specific about your physics credentials.
    >
    > Iain
    > --
    >
    > The Hairydog Guide to UK mobile phones
    > http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html






  6. #51
    Steve Terry
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    Re: P810/P900

    "Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Andrew Fenton" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >I'm sure you can guess which was the intended in this context

    >
    > Do you remember a pop single called "Manic Monday"? It was about
    > someone who was really depressed on the Monday in question.
    > Seems that a lot of people think that "Manic" means the same as
    > "Depressive" because they read it in the phrase "Manic Depressive".
    > As a result, one day, dictionaries will have definitions for manic
    > that say:
    > 1. On a "high" of activity and brightness
    > 2. Depressed
    >

    Umm... Manic, as in Manic depressive, refers to the up cycle of a so called
    BI polar affective disorder, Depression being the down cycle of the same
    condition

    I think you could of picked a better analogy.

    Steve Terry





  7. #52
    Carl.
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    Re: P810/P900

    "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:s2e%[email protected]...
    > "Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "Andrew Fenton" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > >I'm sure you can guess which was the intended in this context

    > >
    > > Do you remember a pop single called "Manic Monday"? It was about
    > > someone who was really depressed on the Monday in question.
    > > Seems that a lot of people think that "Manic" means the same as
    > > "Depressive" because they read it in the phrase "Manic Depressive".
    > > As a result, one day, dictionaries will have definitions for manic
    > > that say:
    > > 1. On a "high" of activity and brightness
    > > 2. Depressed
    > >

    > Umm... Manic, as in Manic depressive, refers to the up cycle of a so

    called
    > BI polar affective disorder, Depression being the down cycle of the same
    > condition
    >
    > I think you could of picked a better analogy.


    He picked a perfect analogy. He was making a point of how that would be a
    WRONG definition.


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  8. #53
    Lina och Niall
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    Re: P810/P900


    "Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    news:[email protected]...

    > Seems that a lot of people think that "Manic" means the same as
    > "Depressive" because they read it in the phrase "Manic Depressive".
    > As a result, one day, dictionaries will have definitions for manic
    > that say:
    > 1. On a "high" of activity and brightness
    > 2. Depressed


    I am kind of with you on this but the fact is that languages evolve. We
    are using words in a different way to how they were used 100 years ago, so I
    suppose you just have to accept this kind of change.

    My main concern (after watching talk-shows etc...) is that in a few
    decades all adjectives will simply mean "good" or "bad"



    > And someone like you will attempt to justify the (mis)use of the word
    > on the basis that so many people have completely misunderstood the
    > meaning of the word that it has to be in the dictionary for is
    > incorrect meaning as well as its correct one.
    >
    > And I'll still say that 2. is just plain wrong.
    >
    > Iain
    > --
    >
    > The Hairydog Guide to UK mobile phones
    > http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html






  9. #54
    Carl.
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    Re: P810/P900

    "Lina och Niall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    > > Seems that a lot of people think that "Manic" means the same as
    > > "Depressive" because they read it in the phrase "Manic Depressive".
    > > As a result, one day, dictionaries will have definitions for manic
    > > that say:
    > > 1. On a "high" of activity and brightness
    > > 2. Depressed

    >
    > I am kind of with you on this but the fact is that languages evolve. We
    > are using words in a different way to how they were used 100 years ago, so

    I
    > suppose you just have to accept this kind of change.


    The dictionaries are partly to blame. They throw new "definitions" in the
    mix without noting which ones are incorrect slang uses (sometimes they do,
    sometimes they don't). If the dictionary were to add the flat word
    "depressed" as another definition for manic (simply because people used it),
    the word manic will lose its meaning because eventually you won't be able to
    use the word and have people know what you mean.

    Additionally, people that want to know the correct definition won't always
    be able to rely on the dictionary for an answer. Some dictionaries will
    have a note that gives the origin of the word, and from that you can match
    the meaning of the original word to the correct definition, but then when
    they don't you can't tell if all definitions are correct or if they simply
    left it out.

    >
    > My main concern (after watching talk-shows etc...) is that in a few
    > decades all adjectives will simply mean "good" or "bad"


    That's where we're headed, without actual comprehension of what we are
    saying. I have to wonder if, every time I can't think the "right word" to
    use, there might be or have been a word for it, but it got slopped around.

    To start a new off-topic debate, wasn't it originally slashed or hyphenated?
    Manic-depressive? Such a *****ing would indicate the either/or nature of
    the term.


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  10. #55
    Ziggi
    Guest

    Re: P810/P900

    4 years studying physics at Cambridge. Go to www-jcsu.jesus.cam.uk/~oa207/
    and you will see a little personalised message I left for you.

    Ziggi

    ps, and what exactly are your credentials?

    "Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Ziggi" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >otherwise you would know that.
    > >Good day.

    >
    > I would know what, top-poster?
    >
    > How to post usenet comments? Clearly you don't.
    >
    > Come on: be specific about your physics credentials.
    >
    > Iain
    > --
    >
    > The Hairydog Guide to UK mobile phones
    > http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html






  11. #56
    Carl.
    Guest

    Re: P810/P900

    "Lina och Niall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    > > Seems that a lot of people think that "Manic" means the same as
    > > "Depressive" because they read it in the phrase "Manic Depressive".
    > > As a result, one day, dictionaries will have definitions for manic
    > > that say:
    > > 1. On a "high" of activity and brightness
    > > 2. Depressed

    >
    > I am kind of with you on this but the fact is that languages evolve. We
    > are using words in a different way to how they were used 100 years ago, so

    I
    > suppose you just have to accept this kind of change.


    The dictionaries are partly to blame. They throw new "definitions" in the
    mix without noting which ones are incorrect slang uses (sometimes they do,
    sometimes they don't). If the dictionary were to add the flat word
    "depressed" as another definition for manic (simply because people used it),
    the word manic will lose its meaning because eventually you won't be able to
    use the word and have people know what you mean.

    Additionally, people that want to know the correct definition won't always
    be able to rely on the dictionary for an answer. Some dictionaries will
    have a note that gives the origin of the word, and from that you can match
    the meaning of the original word to the correct definition, but then when
    they don't you can't tell if all definitions are correct or if they simply
    left it out.

    >
    > My main concern (after watching talk-shows etc...) is that in a few
    > decades all adjectives will simply mean "good" or "bad"


    That's where we're headed, without actual comprehension of what we are
    saying. I have to wonder if, every time I can't think the "right word" to
    use, there might be or have been a word for it, but it got slopped around.

    To start a new off-topic debate, wasn't it originally slashed or hyphenated?
    Manic-depressive? Such a *****ing would indicate the either/or nature of
    the term.


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  12. #57
    Lina och Niall
    Guest

    Re: P810/P900


    "Iain Harrison" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    news:[email protected]...

    > Seems that a lot of people think that "Manic" means the same as
    > "Depressive" because they read it in the phrase "Manic Depressive".
    > As a result, one day, dictionaries will have definitions for manic
    > that say:
    > 1. On a "high" of activity and brightness
    > 2. Depressed


    I am kind of with you on this but the fact is that languages evolve. We
    are using words in a different way to how they were used 100 years ago, so I
    suppose you just have to accept this kind of change.

    My main concern (after watching talk-shows etc...) is that in a few
    decades all adjectives will simply mean "good" or "bad"



    > And someone like you will attempt to justify the (mis)use of the word
    > on the basis that so many people have completely misunderstood the
    > meaning of the word that it has to be in the dictionary for is
    > incorrect meaning as well as its correct one.
    >
    > And I'll still say that 2. is just plain wrong.
    >
    > Iain
    > --
    >
    > The Hairydog Guide to UK mobile phones
    > http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html






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