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- 12-10-2004, 12:51 PM #1John NavasGuest
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12..._market_share/>
WiMAX and other new high-speed wireless technologies are likely to
take market share from 3G as well as DSL. In a white paper research
firm TelecomView says that WiMax will supplement and in some cases
replace 3G, DSL and other wireline technologies to provide broadband
services.
WiMAX offers high-speed wireless data connections over a range of
around 30 miles. The technology features both increased range and
download speeds compared to WiFi (802.11x), which is intended to
provide coverage over small areas. Along with WiFi, other
fixed-wireless broadband systems currently exist, including hardware
that can deliver services over several miles. But many of these also
require "line of sight" between a transmitter and receiver to
function - WiMAX does not.
TelecomView estimates that WiMAX will capture more than 40 per cent
of the wireless broadband market, leaving 3G with less than 60 per
cent in 2009. In addition to stealing market share from 3G, the
report suggests that WiMax will also be a threat to fixed-line
high-speed broadband services.
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- 12-14-2004, 02:10 AM #2Eric RosenberryGuest
Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"
I don't get the whole hype behind WiMAX.
Well great, it is based on some new signaling technique that is really
nifty... Now who is going to deploy it? What organizations have the assets
and experience for such an undertaking?
It is obvious to me that the companies that are best able to deploy WiMAX
are going to be the ones that already have towers, RF engineers, and
wireless experience... I think that if WiMAX ever comes to pass it will be
just another technology that cell phone providers leverage (like 1xRTT or
EVDO or GPRS or EDGE).
Thoughts?
-Eric
"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12..._market_share/>
>
> WiMAX and other new high-speed wireless technologies are likely to
> take market share from 3G as well as DSL. In a white paper research
> firm TelecomView says that WiMax will supplement and in some cases
> replace 3G, DSL and other wireline technologies to provide broadband
> services.
>
> WiMAX offers high-speed wireless data connections over a range of
> around 30 miles. The technology features both increased range and
> download speeds compared to WiFi (802.11x), which is intended to
> provide coverage over small areas. Along with WiFi, other
> fixed-wireless broadband systems currently exist, including hardware
> that can deliver services over several miles. But many of these also
> require "line of sight" between a transmitter and receiver to
> function - WiMAX does not.
>
> TelecomView estimates that WiMAX will capture more than 40 per cent
> of the wireless broadband market, leaving 3G with less than 60 per
> cent in 2009. In addition to stealing market share from 3G, the
> report suggests that WiMax will also be a threat to fixed-line
> high-speed broadband services.
>
> [MORE]
>
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- 12-14-2004, 02:50 AM #3John NavasGuest
Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"
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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:10:46 -0800,
"Eric Rosenberry" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I don't get the whole hype behind WiMAX.
Breaks the copper/coax duopoly.
>Well great, it is based on some new signaling technique that is really
>nifty... Now who is going to deploy it? What organizations have the assets
>and experience for such an undertaking?
AOL. Independent ISPs.
>It is obvious to me that the companies that are best able to deploy WiMAX
>are going to be the ones that already have towers, RF engineers, and
>wireless experience... I think that if WiMAX ever comes to pass it will be
>just another technology that cell phone providers leverage (like 1xRTT or
>EVDO or GPRS or EDGE).
>
>Thoughts?
Think ISP, not cellular.
>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12..._market_share/>
>>
>> WiMAX and other new high-speed wireless technologies are likely to
>> take market share from 3G as well as DSL. In a white paper research
>> firm TelecomView says that WiMax will supplement and in some cases
>> replace 3G, DSL and other wireline technologies to provide broadband
>> services.
>>
>> WiMAX offers high-speed wireless data connections over a range of
>> around 30 miles. The technology features both increased range and
>> download speeds compared to WiFi (802.11x), which is intended to
>> provide coverage over small areas. Along with WiFi, other
>> fixed-wireless broadband systems currently exist, including hardware
>> that can deliver services over several miles. But many of these also
>> require "line of sight" between a transmitter and receiver to
>> function - WiMAX does not.
>>
>> TelecomView estimates that WiMAX will capture more than 40 per cent
>> of the wireless broadband market, leaving 3G with less than 60 per
>> cent in 2009. In addition to stealing market share from 3G, the
>> report suggests that WiMax will also be a threat to fixed-line
>> high-speed broadband services.
>>
>> [MORE]
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- 12-14-2004, 05:47 AM #4Peter PanGuest
Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"
Hate to tell you oh negative one, but WiMax is LIVE/In Use/Available in the
area I live and work in *NOW* *TODAY* *THIS SECOND* *A LOCAL CALL to START
AN ACCOUNT and use it minutes later*. Went live a few weeks ago in the
Spokane Washingtoin Area (in town and about 20 miles outside of it). Doesn't
use cell stuff at all. How do I know? I work for a computer and cell phone
sales/repair place in Rathdrum Idaho (about 14 miles NW of Spokane).
Unfortunately we sell it, so I can't say who we are or some idiot will
accuse me of spamming for finacial gain....
But if you are curios, check out the WiMax org at http://www.wimaxforum.org
Eric Rosenberry wrote:
> I don't get the whole hype behind WiMAX.
>
> Well great, it is based on some new signaling technique that is really
> nifty... Now who is going to deploy it? What organizations have the
> assets and experience for such an undertaking?
>
> It is obvious to me that the companies that are best able to deploy
> WiMAX are going to be the ones that already have towers, RF
> engineers, and wireless experience... I think that if WiMAX ever
> comes to pass it will be just another technology that cell phone
> providers leverage (like 1xRTT or EVDO or GPRS or EDGE).
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -Eric
>
- 12-14-2004, 07:49 AM #5Thomas T. VeldhouseGuest
Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"
In alt.cellular.sprintpcs John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [MORE]
>
One thing not listed and one thing that will limit its expansion is the
high latency. Online gaming or interactive sessions could be quite
painful.
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- 12-14-2004, 09:47 AM #6TreyGuest
Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"
Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> In alt.cellular.sprintpcs John Navas <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> [MORE]
>>
>
> One thing not listed and one thing that will limit its expansion is
> the high latency. Online gaming or interactive sessions could be
> quite painful.
Do you have any ping times to show this? Just how bad is the Latency? Im
sure this would be a temporary issue... I smell VoIP phones!
- 12-14-2004, 09:51 AM #7TreyGuest
Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"
Eric Rosenberry wrote:
> I don't get the whole hype behind WiMAX.
>
> Well great, it is based on some new signaling technique that is really
> nifty... Now who is going to deploy it? What organizations have the
> assets and experience for such an undertaking?
>
> It is obvious to me that the companies that are best able to deploy
> WiMAX are going to be the ones that already have towers, RF
> engineers, and wireless experience... I think that if WiMAX ever
> comes to pass it will be just another technology that cell phone
> providers leverage (like 1xRTT or EVDO or GPRS or EDGE).
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -Eric
Some cities are deploying this technology. Mainly for better data
communication in the cars and trucks, Utilities trucks, police cars, and
fire trucks. They all have mobile data terminals with hellishly slow data.
- 12-14-2004, 10:28 AM #8John NavasGuest
Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"
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In <[email protected]> on 14 Dec 2004 13:49:06
GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:
>In alt.cellular.sprintpcs John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> [MORE]
>
>One thing not listed and one thing that will limit its expansion is the
>high latency. Online gaming or interactive sessions could be quite
>painful.
Unlike 3G, WiMAX (802.16) is designed for relatively low latency, which should
be acceptable for VoIP, interactive sessions, and even gaming.
Latency is even lower with FLASH-OFDM technology from Flarion Technologies
(802.20), on the order of 35-50 ms, currently in field trial by Nextel.
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- 12-14-2004, 10:33 AM #9John NavasGuest
Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"
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In <[email protected]> on Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:51:03 GMT,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
><http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12..._market_share/>
>
> WiMAX and other new high-speed wireless technologies are likely to
> take market share from 3G as well as DSL. In a white paper research
> firm TelecomView says that WiMax will supplement and in some cases
> replace 3G, DSL and other wireline technologies to provide broadband
> services.
>
> WiMAX offers high-speed wireless data connections over a range of
> around 30 miles. The technology features both increased range and
> download speeds compared to WiFi (802.11x), which is intended to
> provide coverage over small areas. Along with WiFi, other
> fixed-wireless broadband systems currently exist, including hardware
> that can deliver services over several miles. But many of these also
> require "line of sight" between a transmitter and receiver to
> function - WiMAX does not.
>
> TelecomView estimates that WiMAX will capture more than 40 per cent
> of the wireless broadband market, leaving 3G with less than 60 per
> cent in 2009. In addition to stealing market share from 3G, the
> report suggests that WiMax will also be a threat to fixed-line
> high-speed broadband services.
>
> [MORE]
See also "WISPs blaze trail for WiMAX"
<http://www.theregister.com/2004/11/1...ail_for_wimax/>
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- 12-14-2004, 12:35 PM #10Thomas T. VeldhouseGuest
Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"
In alt.cellular.sprintpcs John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> See also "WISPs blaze trail for WiMAX"
> <http://www.theregister.com/2004/11/1...ail_for_wimax/>
>
I also see an issue with basing a business on unlicensed spectrum.
Anybody else is free to try and use that use that same spectrum for
anything else. Many cordless phones [including mine] run on 5.8GHz
bands. Anybody is free to build a transmitter in their back yard which
can cause jamming for a specified distance. There are all sorts of
troubles that can occur which the customer has no recompensation to
seek.
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- 12-14-2004, 12:41 PM #11John NavasGuest
Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"
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In <[email protected]> on 14 Dec 2004 18:30:53
GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:
>In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Trey <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Do you have any ping times to show this? Just how bad is the Latency? Im
>> sure this would be a temporary issue... I smell VoIP phones!
>
>There is no way to decrease latency as it takes a finite amount of time
>for the radio signal to travel through the air. The further from the
>WiMax base station that you are, the higher the latency will be.
True, but the same is true of wireline; i.e., it's not significant.
>The
>biggest opportunity to lower latency will be in the
>modulation/demodulation of the signal.
It's more complicated than that -- wireless latency is affected by congestion,
collisions, error correction, interleaving, number of hops, etc. The usual
tradeoff is between robustness and latency, as reflected in WiMAX modes of
operation -- more robust transmission has more latency, and vice versa.
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- 12-14-2004, 12:55 PM #12QuickGuest
Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"
John Navas wrote:
> 18:30:53 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> There is no way to decrease latency as it takes a finite amount of
>> time for the radio signal to travel through the air. The further
>> from the WiMax base station that you are, the higher the latency
>> will be.
>
> True, but the same is true of wireline; i.e., it's not significant.
What is the difference in terms of percent? Say for 30 miles
of wire or optics and 30 miles of RF?
- 12-14-2004, 01:29 PM #13John NavasGuest
Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"
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In <1103050787.126179@sj-nntpcache-3> on Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:55:14 -0800,
"Quick" <[email protected]> wrote:
>John Navas wrote:
>> 18:30:53 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is no way to decrease latency as it takes a finite amount of
>>> time for the radio signal to travel through the air. The further
>>> from the WiMax base station that you are, the higher the latency
>>> will be.
>>
>> True, but the same is true of wireline; i.e., it's not significant.
>
>What is the difference in terms of percent? Say for 30 miles
>of wire or optics and 30 miles of RF?
Speed of radio propagation through the air is actually significantly faster
than propagation over a wire, on the order of 1/3 faster (depending on the
type of wire). Regardless, it's not a significant factor in latency, since
we're talking much less than one ms to travel 30 miles in either case.
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- 12-14-2004, 04:08 PM #14Mark OlsonGuest
Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"
In alt.cellular.verizon Thomas T. Veldhouse <[email protected]> wrote:
> In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Trey <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Do you have any ping times to show this? Just how bad is the Latency? Im
>> sure this would be a temporary issue... I smell VoIP phones!
>>
>
> There is no way to decrease latency as it takes a finite amount of time
> for the radio signal to travel through the air. The further from the
> WiMax base station that you are, the higher the latency will be. The
> biggest opportunity to lower latency will be in the
> modulation/demodulation of the signal.
Figure out how many milliseconds it takes for light to travel 10 miles.
Compared to sources of latency from the other layers, this is about the
smallest contributor there is.
- 12-22-2004, 01:17 PM #15PrilosecGuest
Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"
From what I've read, WiMax will transmit something like 30 miles from one
tower site in all directions. To get pretty good internet broadband coverage
over a pretty wide area, I think WiMax is probably a huge savings over other
methods. I am looking forward to more than one choice in broadband in my
area, to tell you the truth.
"Eric Rosenberry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I don't get the whole hype behind WiMAX.
>
> Well great, it is based on some new signaling technique that is really
> nifty... Now who is going to deploy it? What organizations have the
> assets and experience for such an undertaking?
>
> It is obvious to me that the companies that are best able to deploy WiMAX
> are going to be the ones that already have towers, RF engineers, and
> wireless experience... I think that if WiMAX ever comes to pass it will
> be just another technology that cell phone providers leverage (like 1xRTT
> or EVDO or GPRS or EDGE).
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -Eric
>
> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12..._market_share/>
>>
>> WiMAX and other new high-speed wireless technologies are likely to
>> take market share from 3G as well as DSL. In a white paper research
>> firm TelecomView says that WiMax will supplement and in some cases
>> replace 3G, DSL and other wireline technologies to provide broadband
>> services.
>>
>> WiMAX offers high-speed wireless data connections over a range of
>> around 30 miles. The technology features both increased range and
>> download speeds compared to WiFi (802.11x), which is intended to
>> provide coverage over small areas. Along with WiFi, other
>> fixed-wireless broadband systems currently exist, including hardware
>> that can deliver services over several miles. But many of these also
>> require "line of sight" between a transmitter and receiver to
>> function - WiMAX does not.
>>
>> TelecomView estimates that WiMAX will capture more than 40 per cent
>> of the wireless broadband market, leaving 3G with less than 60 per
>> cent in 2009. In addition to stealing market share from 3G, the
>> report suggests that WiMax will also be a threat to fixed-line
>> high-speed broadband services.
>>
>> [MORE]
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
>> CABLE MODEM/DSL GUIDE: <http://Cable-DSL.home.att.net/>
>
>
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