NEWS:FCC Warns Telemarketers Not To Use Autodialers to Call Mobiles

Nov. 25, 2003 1:06 PM EST

WASHINGTON-The Federal Communications Commission Monday told telemarketers
that they must make arrangements to obtain mobile-phone numbers because it
is illegal to use autodialers to call wireless phones.

"A telemarketer may make appropriate arrangements with a user to obtain the
data in a manner that best meets its business needs. Consistent with the
approach adopted by the commission to rely on the telemarketing industry to
select solutions that best fit telemarketers' needs, I anticipate that you
will review the Nov. 21 letter from NeuStar Inc. and the options it presents
to make available the information required to determine that a wireline
number has been ported to a wireless service," said K. Dane Snowden, chief
of the FCC's Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau, noting that NeuStar
had sent a letter that better explains the options available to
telemarketers to ensure that mobile-phone numbers are not called by
autodialers.

Snowden was responding to concerns of the Direct Marketing Association. It
has been illegal for nearly a decade to place telemarketing calls to mobile
phones but it became harder for telemarketers to comply once the FCC ruled
in favor of wireline-to-wireless portability.

"DMA's current Wireless Suppression Service list will continue to function
as it does currently for new numbers that are issued to wireless carriers.
That will not eliminate the problem that arises with intermodal porting,"
said Jerry Cerasale, DMA senior vice president, in a letter last month to
the FCC. "It will become a very real problem if marketers are unable to
identify numbers that are newly ported from wireline to wireless service. In
short, our members will not know-and they will have no way of knowing-that
they not place autodialed calls to such numbers."
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:44:15 -0500, "PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Nov. 25, 2003 1:06 PM EST
>
>WASHINGTON-The Federal Communications Commission Monday told telemarketers
>that they must make arrangements to obtain mobile-phone numbers because it
>is illegal to use autodialers to call wireless phones.
>
Solution is simple. Make autodialing ANY number a capital punishment
offense.

Of course, this will cost your congressman some big bucks from the
lost bribes he's been receiving from the spammers.....


Larry W4CSC

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Larry W4CSC wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:44:15 -0500, "PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Nov. 25, 2003 1:06 PM EST
>>
>>WASHINGTON-The Federal Communications Commission Monday told telemarketers
>>that they must make arrangements to obtain mobile-phone numbers because it
>>is illegal to use autodialers to call wireless phones.
>>
> Solution is simple. Make autodialing ANY number a capital punishment
> offense.
>
> Of course, this will cost your congressman some big bucks from the
> lost bribes he's been receiving from the spammers.....
>
>
> Larry W4CSC
>
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>


Sheesh, Larry...you're like ChickenMAn...you're everywhere!
Happy Turkey Day, you old turkey.

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"Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:44:15 -0500, "PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Nov. 25, 2003 1:06 PM EST
> >
> >WASHINGTON-The Federal Communications Commission Monday told
telemarketers
> >that they must make arrangements to obtain mobile-phone numbers because
it
> >is illegal to use autodialers to call wireless phones.
> >
> Solution is simple. Make autodialing ANY number a capital punishment
> offense.
>
> Of course, this will cost your congressman some big bucks from the
> lost bribes he's been receiving from the spammers.....

I think if they want to dial a number, they should have to dial it manually.
That still gives the telemarketers the ability to call you, it just costs
them more to do it.

Joe

Happy Turkey Day

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:48:42 GMT, "Joe Burke" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>I think if they want to dial a number, they should have to dial it manually.

Great idea......on a ROTARY DIAL phone.....

>That still gives the telemarketers the ability to call you, it just costs
>them more to do it.
>

What amazes me is there must be, out there in the fog, a HUGE number
of Jeff Foxworthy's sign carriers, the real STUPID PEOPLE, who are
BUYING from these telemarketers. They should all be required to carry
one of his signs saying, "I'm Stupid. I bought from a telemarketer."

Maybe that would slow 'em up more....(c;


Larry W4CSC

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"Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What amazes me is there must be, out there in the fog, a HUGE number
> of Jeff Foxworthy's sign carriers, the real STUPID PEOPLE, who are
> BUYING from these telemarketers. They should all be required to carry
> one of his signs saying, "I'm Stupid. I bought from a telemarketer."
>
> Maybe that would slow 'em up more....(c;

Amen. Blame the morons that make the offense worth committing. Victims of
any offense that bend over so willingly are food for the infection.
Telemarketers are like muggers. They do it once, and if it works out they
do it again, and again, and again . . . I hate telemarketers, but my hatred
is no motivation for them to stop if people keep forking over the money.

So the next time someone buys 5 years of "free" magazines for several
hundred dollars from a telemarketer, be sure to take their phone and use it
to plug either their inbound or outbound orifice, whichever is more
convenient at the time.

BTW, that wasn't Jeff Foxworthy, it was some OTHER redneck that only has one
joke. Foxworthy has the "you might be a redneck if ___," and some other guy
has the sign thing.


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Ooops! Correction! -

Bill Engvall

Sorry, Bill!

Larry


On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 22:06:11 GMT, "Carl." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>"Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> What amazes me is there must be, out there in the fog, a HUGE number
>> of Jeff Foxworthy's sign carriers, the real STUPID PEOPLE, who are
>> BUYING from these telemarketers. They should all be required to carry
>> one of his signs saying, "I'm Stupid. I bought from a telemarketer."
>>
>> Maybe that would slow 'em up more....(c;
>
>Amen. Blame the morons that make the offense worth committing. Victims of
>any offense that bend over so willingly are food for the infection.
>Telemarketers are like muggers. They do it once, and if it works out they
>do it again, and again, and again . . . I hate telemarketers, but my hatred
>is no motivation for them to stop if people keep forking over the money.
>
>So the next time someone buys 5 years of "free" magazines for several
>hundred dollars from a telemarketer, be sure to take their phone and use it
>to plug either their inbound or outbound orifice, whichever is more
>convenient at the time.
>
>BTW, that wasn't Jeff Foxworthy, it was some OTHER redneck that only has one
>joke. Foxworthy has the "you might be a redneck if ___," and some other guy
>has the sign thing.
>
>
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>

Larry W4CSC

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"Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:48:42 GMT, "Joe Burke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >I think if they want to dial a number, they should have to dial it
manually.
>
> Great idea......on a ROTARY DIAL phone.....
>
> >That still gives the telemarketers the ability to call you, it just costs
> >them more to do it.
> >
>
> What amazes me is there must be, out there in the fog, a HUGE number
> of Jeff Foxworthy's sign carriers, the real STUPID PEOPLE, who are
> BUYING from these telemarketers. They should all be required to carry
> one of his signs saying, "I'm Stupid. I bought from a telemarketer."
>
> Maybe that would slow 'em up more....(c;

Tattoo on their forehead in red ink, "X"

Joe

> BTW, that wasn't Jeff Foxworthy, it was some OTHER redneck that only has
one
> joke. Foxworthy has the "you might be a redneck if ___," and some other
guy
> has the sign thing.
>
>
> ---
> Update your PC at http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 11/22/2003

You are correct. The "other guy" is Bill Engvall.

http://www.billengvall.com/

Mark

Obviously it'll be difficult to tell if someone ported their number or not.
I say we should let them go ahead and call us on cell numbers that
previously were land-line numbers. However, if they do the telemarketing
company should be in my opinion required by law to remit a reimbursement
check to me for the standard overage rate per minute for all of the airtime
they use on my cellular bill (whether I went over my minutes or not, since
they were *my* minutes, not theirs.)

-Jeff


"PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Nov. 25, 2003 1:06 PM EST
>
> WASHINGTON-The Federal Communications Commission Monday told telemarketers
> that they must make arrangements to obtain mobile-phone numbers because it
> is illegal to use autodialers to call wireless phones.
>
> "A telemarketer may make appropriate arrangements with a user to obtain
the
> data in a manner that best meets its business needs. Consistent with the
> approach adopted by the commission to rely on the telemarketing industry
to
> select solutions that best fit telemarketers' needs, I anticipate that you
> will review the Nov. 21 letter from NeuStar Inc. and the options it
presents
> to make available the information required to determine that a wireline
> number has been ported to a wireless service," said K. Dane Snowden, chief
> of the FCC's Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau, noting that NeuStar
> had sent a letter that better explains the options available to
> telemarketers to ensure that mobile-phone numbers are not called by
> autodialers.
>
> Snowden was responding to concerns of the Direct Marketing Association. It
> has been illegal for nearly a decade to place telemarketing calls to
mobile
> phones but it became harder for telemarketers to comply once the FCC ruled
> in favor of wireline-to-wireless portability.
>
> "DMA's current Wireless Suppression Service list will continue to function
> as it does currently for new numbers that are issued to wireless carriers.
> That will not eliminate the problem that arises with intermodal porting,"
> said Jerry Cerasale, DMA senior vice president, in a letter last month to
> the FCC. "It will become a very real problem if marketers are unable to
> identify numbers that are newly ported from wireline to wireless service.
In
> short, our members will not know-and they will have no way of knowing-that
> they not place autodialed calls to such numbers."
> --
> Visit Wireless World at http://wirelessway.blogspot.com for the latest in
> Wireless Technology News and Info! Free Drawing for Aluminum Palm /Clie
> case!!
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When the Texas do not call list started I listed my wirless phone
numbers and wireline numbers, I did the same with the national do not
call list. So, since the numbers are listed it shouldn't make a
difference who the number is with or if it is now wireless or wired,
so why is the DMA saying this is an issue ?

"Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Obviously it'll be difficult to tell if someone ported their number or not.
> I say we should let them go ahead and call us on cell numbers that
> previously were land-line numbers. However, if they do the telemarketing
> company should be in my opinion required by law to remit a reimbursement
> check to me for the standard overage rate per minute for all of the airtime
> they use on my cellular bill (whether I went over my minutes or not, since
> they were *my* minutes, not theirs.)
>
> -Jeff
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> "PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Nov. 25, 2003 1:06 PM EST
> >
> > WASHINGTON-The Federal Communications Commission Monday told telemarketers
> > that they must make arrangements to obtain mobile-phone numbers because it
> > is illegal to use autodialers to call wireless phones.
> >
> > "A telemarketer may make appropriate arrangements with a user to obtain
> the
> > data in a manner that best meets its business needs. Consistent with the
> > approach adopted by the commission to rely on the telemarketing industry
> to
> > select solutions that best fit telemarketers' needs, I anticipate that you
> > will review the Nov. 21 letter from NeuStar Inc. and the options it
> presents
> > to make available the information required to determine that a wireline
> > number has been ported to a wireless service," said K. Dane Snowden, chief
> > of the FCC's Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau, noting that NeuStar
> > had sent a letter that better explains the options available to
> > telemarketers to ensure that mobile-phone numbers are not called by
> > autodialers.
> >
> > Snowden was responding to concerns of the Direct Marketing Association. It
> > has been illegal for nearly a decade to place telemarketing calls to
> mobile
> > phones but it became harder for telemarketers to comply once the FCC ruled
> > in favor of wireline-to-wireless portability.
> >
> > "DMA's current Wireless Suppression Service list will continue to function
> > as it does currently for new numbers that are issued to wireless carriers.
> > That will not eliminate the problem that arises with intermodal porting,"
> > said Jerry Cerasale, DMA senior vice president, in a letter last month to
> > the FCC. "It will become a very real problem if marketers are unable to
> > identify numbers that are newly ported from wireline to wireless service.
> In
> > short, our members will not know-and they will have no way of knowing-that
> > they not place autodialed calls to such numbers."
> > --
> > Visit Wireless World at http://wirelessway.blogspot.com for the latest in
> > Wireless Technology News and Info! Free Drawing for Aluminum Palm /Clie
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[email protected] (James Hardin) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> When the Texas do not call list started I listed my wirless phone
> numbers and wireline numbers, I did the same with the national do not
> call list. So, since the numbers are listed it shouldn't make a
> difference who the number is with or if it is now wireless or wired,
> so why is the DMA saying this is an issue ?

Because it's illegal to telemarket to cellphones regardless of whether
or not they are on a DNC list.

The argument is that they may "innocently" call a "legal" wireline
number only to find it's now ported to an "illegal" cell phone.

Personally, not that I love TM calls or anything, I think that's
simply a concession that wireline-to-wireless porters should be made
to accept, at least for a reasonable period for TM'ers to make
whatever upgrades to systems necessary to figure out who's ported to
whom, particularly since it's not really an inconvenience to place
yourself on a DNC list.

[email protected] (James Hardin) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> When the Texas do not call list started I listed my wirless phone
> numbers and wireline numbers, I did the same with the national do not
> call list. So, since the numbers are listed it shouldn't make a
> difference who the number is with or if it is now wireless or wired,
> so why is the DMA saying this is an issue ?
>
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Beats me...
But I registered early on the national "Do not Call List" in
California and just got a automated telemarketing call selling loans,
2 days ago...grrrrr!
Didn't have time to log it and make a complaint.

-
David

In alt.cellular Jeff <[email protected]> wrote:
> Obviously it'll be difficult to tell if someone ported their number or not.

Oh well... I guess that sucks for the telemarketers.

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