Where are the new Sprint Phones

I am looking for EVDO and Bluetooth all in a small package. I hope that all
of the new Sprint phones have bluetooth as bluetooth has become a staple of
modern day life. It is even included in most high-end automobiles. I am
tired of wired-headsets. Currently the only choice is a cheesy LG phone.
Please note that not all LG phones are cheesy, but the current LG bluetooth
phone really is very cheesy.

-mij

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To take full advantage of EVDO, you will need a phone that can do nice
things with EVDO (unless you just plan to use it as a modem).

The PPC-6700 has the latest Bluetooth standards, has EVDO, and
completely eliminates the need to carry a laptop computer for 1 or 2
day trips.

It is larger than the usual $99 plastic phones, but when you figure
that it is a micro-laptop, a phone, a camera, a camcorder, an MP3
player, and a video player ... it seems well worth it at around $500
(or whatever you can negotiate it for).

It ships with a belt clip case that makes it as easy to carry as any
small plastic phone. Will even go into a pants pocket.

Oh, I forgot to mention ... it also has Wi-Fi.

And do you feel that the phone is really that much better than a Treo 650?


"FWIW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> To take full advantage of EVDO, you will need a phone that can do nice
> things with EVDO (unless you just plan to use it as a modem).
>
> The PPC-6700 has the latest Bluetooth standards, has EVDO, and
> completely eliminates the need to carry a laptop computer for 1 or 2
> day trips.
>
> It is larger than the usual $99 plastic phones, but when you figure
> that it is a micro-laptop, a phone, a camera, a camcorder, an MP3
> player, and a video player ... it seems well worth it at around $500
> (or whatever you can negotiate it for).
>
> It ships with a belt clip case that makes it as easy to carry as any
> small plastic phone. Will even go into a pants pocket.
>

I was in the mall yesterday and a Sprint salesman showed me a new phone that
had EVDO. But I can't remember the phone name or brand. Wasn't a Treo or
other well known brand. I think it was Star...
or something similar.

Salesman said it wasn't in wide distribution yet.

It had a hidden keyboard that would slide out.

"Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:GW_if.5287$pF.2266@fed1read04...
I am looking for EVDO and Bluetooth all in a small package. I hope that all
of the new Sprint phones have bluetooth as bluetooth has become a staple of
modern day life. It is even included in most high-end automobiles. I am
tired of wired-headsets. Currently the only choice is a cheesy LG phone.
Please note that not all LG phones are cheesy, but the current LG bluetooth
phone really is very cheesy.

-mij

I have used both.

Is it "better"? It really all depends.

The PPC does have Wi-Fi, and the camera is a true 1.3 Megapixel rig.
It has Windows Media Player and it has true multi-tasking. It has more
memory (what they did with the Treo 650 memory was pathetic, IMHO), and
a faster processor. It also has EVDO where the Treo does not .. and you
can GREATLY tell the difference in data speed.

The Treo has a higher-res screen, and the keyboard is placed more
conveniently for firing off quick text messages (as opposed to the PPC
pullout keyboard).

The PPC makes for a more capable all around device ... basically a
micro-computer that can do most of what a laptop computer can (plus a
little more with the camera and a camcorder), but the Treo would get
the nod toward pure telephony and quick SMS functions.

Therefore, if *I* could carry only one device, it would be the
PPC-6700, although the Treo would be a close second.

Plus, the Palm OS is going to be more or less phased out over the next
few years, so, like it or not, Windows Mobile is something we are all
eventually going to have to get used to.

It is a highly personal choice based on one's own preferences, and they
are both top-notch phones, I just think the PPC is a half-generation
ahead at this point.

FWIW wrote:
> I have used both.
>
> Is it "better"? It really all depends.
>
> The PPC does have Wi-Fi, and the camera is a true 1.3 Megapixel rig.
> It has Windows Media Player and it has true multi-tasking. It has
> more memory (what they did with the Treo 650 memory was pathetic,
> IMHO)

A large part of the problem with the Treo's NVFS overly-aggressive
memory usage has been addressed by a fix several months ago. But I don't
believe "average users" (whoever they are) understand how NVFS works.
NVFS is really just like an internal memory card.

The actual RAM in a Treo 650 is used for a copy of the "ROM" (stored in
a zip file in NVFS) and dbcache (the equivalent to the available RAM
left for applications on a PC, after the OS is loaded). Anything that
appears to the user as being in "memory" is really just in NVFS (which
is treated like a disk, FAT file system and all).

In other words, you can pretty much fill up the internal (NVFS) memory
to near-capacity, and still have the same amount of RAM (dbcache) to run
all of your apps. There isn't much need to conserve "memory" (NVFS) as
in the pre-NVFS days. But the OS doesn't make this "hidden" RAM--that is
actually doing most of the work--easy to see (I use third-party
utilities to see it--and to manage dbcache).

A good analogy to a PPC is NVFS is the "Storage Memory" side of a PPC's
memory slider, whereas dbcache is the "Program Memory" side (assuming a
pre-WM5 device--WM5 handles persistent storage a bit differently than
Palm). There just isn't any memory slider on NVFS Palms ^_^. You want
more available RAM (dbcache)? Build a custom ROM and remove unnecessary
apps (the Sprint demos, etc.).

Regardless, most all of my stuff is on SD (2 GB), so the onboard memory
is just for stuff that I need access to should I have another card
inserted (e.g., from a camera). Even with that, I still have around 11
MB NVFS free.


>, and a faster processor. It also has EVDO where the Treo does
> not .. and you can GREATLY tell the difference in data speed.
>

EV-DO is a great plus. But for me it ain't as important. According to
Sprint's map, EV-DO isn't available in many of the areas I would use it
in--and they have no intention of adding it (at this point in time).

But even though I can barely use it, if I were to buy an EV-DO device
from Sprint, it might not be possible to keep my grandfathered Vision
plan (which includes unlimited SMS). While the EV-DO (Power Vision)
plans aren't that more expensive than Vision, in my case it would mean
at least an addition $40 per month. I'm not even talking about
tethering--just using the devices on their own (I rarely tethered in the
past, and haven't needed to tether--aside from testing--since I got the
Treo).

Some folks claim if you try really really hard, and the God's are on
your side, you can convince a SPCS CSR to just switch you to EV-DO
without removing your promo code (which, once removed, will only allow
the entry of currently-valid codes--mine ain't one of 'em). Even folks
who *did* convince a CSR to leave their account alone when activating an
EV-DO device, found out the next day that Sprint did them a favor by
changing their plan on their behalf. How nice.


> The Treo has a higher-res screen, and the keyboard is placed more
> conveniently for firing off quick text messages (as opposed to the PPC
> pullout keyboard).
>

That's a big plus for me. With my Treo, I rarely use the stylus
(actually, I often need only the D-pad--but love the thumb-board for
easy text entry). When testing a PPC-6700, and this could be because I
was--at the time--still using a PPC daily, it seemed I would be using
the stylus more often than I would prefer.

And to be frank, I just wasn't into the sliding keyboard thing. I prefer
a thumb-board (enhanced via KeyCaps650 of course).


> The PPC makes for a more capable all around device ... basically a
> micro-computer that can do most of what a laptop computer can (plus a
> little more with the camera and a camcorder), but the Treo would get
> the nod toward pure telephony and quick SMS functions.
>

That was the other issue I had with the 6700--it was a bit more PDA than
phone for my tastes. A keyboard-less WM Smart Phone, OTOH, is not PDA
enough for my tastes. For me, the Treo 650 was nice compromise. And I
waited till the Treo line had high-res and a decent CPU before even
considering one.

But I'm not sure how much more I can do with a PPC, in my line of work
(DB programmer), than I can with my Treo. I edit native Office documents
on both, but my job doesn't revolve around that (not all day, at least).
Regardless, I do use it to write-up reports, record expense logs, etc.
Email of course is a given.

I also have the TS Client, and use it to access various TS as well as
Remote Desktop to my primary PC. Yes this might not be for Joe-Six-Pack
(VPNs and such), but it works in a pinch.

For entertainment I can find nothing wrong with TCMP. It is a great
player! I use PocketDivXEncoder (brain-dead simple to use) to convert
DVDs and HTPC files for my Treo. I generally have around 3-4 hours of
video with me at any given time. Use it everyday? Nope. But I have used
it when waiting on an appointment, at an airport, etc.

MobiTV is pretty call--and far better than when I tried it on my
cellphone. But that's something that will truly shine with EV-DO speeds.

Oh yea, I gotta say that streaming Internet radio and Shoutcast (via
Pocket Tunes) is definitely something I use. The quality is excellent,
and I literally have hundreds of streams to choose from. It's almost
like having satellite radio. The bitrate of course is not as high, but
the sound is pretty darn good for CDMA 1x (and with EV-DO, you should be
able just about much satellite radio's quality).

For regular music, Pocket Tunes can be used for syncing. But there are
now iTunes compatible solutions for the Treo (or I guess most current
Palms). This allows syncing to iTunes, sort of like the Rockr--but
without the 100 song limitation.


> Therefore, if *I* could carry only one device, it would be the
> PPC-6700, although the Treo would be a close second.
>

Though I prefer the Treo, obviously the 6700 would be my next choice (if
I could get around the forced &^%$# EV-DO plan that I probably won't
use).

Unfortunately, if on business, I generally can't rely on one device. I
really need my laptop to get serious work done. But for working with
Office files, email, the occasional TS session, I at least can "get by"
if someone needs my help and I have no other access but my Treo.


> Plus, the Palm OS is going to be more or less phased out over the next
> few years, so, like it or not, Windows Mobile is something we are all
> eventually going to have to get used to.

You might want to rethink that. Indeed, according to a recently leaked
document, Sprint might be getting the next Palm OS Treo (700p) as early
as this coming January.

The leaked document came from an apparently disgruntled Palm investor,
who posted the PDF to the their Website. They immediately took it down,
but the Treo, even Treo-specific Websites (treocentral.com, mytreo.net,
and treonauts.com) were mentioned. Here's something interesting:
==========================
We know that PALM will introduce four new models in CY 06.

In January they will introduce the already announced Treo 700 Windows
which will be a Verizon exclusivity it will be the first EV-DO Treo on
the market. Around the same time we believe PALM will launch a Treo 700p
running PALM OS on the Sprint network, both devices will keep same form
factor and will capitalize on the Treo's strong foothold in the US
enterprise Market.

We also learned that PALM will be launching two new products around
March 06 codenamed "Hollywood" and "Lowrider". According to the Morgan
Stanley analyst in Asia (covers HTC) the estimate production output will
be 200K devices/month.

"Hollywood" will be a fancier 3G/GSM smartphone which will represent
PALM's first attempt at the European GSM market. We know the phone will
have no external antenna and will probably he launched by Cingular in
the US.

"Lowrider" will be a sub-$300 devices utilizing previous generation
radios and providing PALM with an entry level PDA.

==========================

The company that leaked this document, Sagio, is a Palm investor (5%).
They posted it on their Website than pulled it--sending stern warnings
to Treo Websites not to reproduce it. But if you search Google--at least
for now--using "Palm_SAGIO_Research.pdf" towards the bottom of the page
will be a PDF link to "] Palm Inc. October 2005." The PDF link won't
work, but "View as HTML" is still cached (for now!!!). At least one
person has already mirrored that cached page.

For the record, I doubt Sprint will be getting the Treo 700p in January.
If they were, there would be enough pre-production models around that
we'd have seen some bona-fide photos. But it does seem clear the Treo
700p is coming--and coming to Sprint. I'm more than happy to let Verizon
users work out the inevitable bugs in the first WM incarnation of a
Treo.


--
Mike

>I was in the mall yesterday and a Sprint salesman showed me a new phone that
>had EVDO. But I can't remember the phone name or brand. Wasn't a Treo or
>other well known brand. I think it was Star...
>or something similar.
>Salesman said it wasn't in wide distribution yet.
>It had a hidden keyboard that would slide out.



That sure sounds like the PPC-6700, but it doesn't have "star" in the
name.

Sometimes it is called the "HTC Apache", or the "Audiovox 6700".

Then again, maybe they have something brand-spanking new in the
pipeline already - but seeing as the 6700 hasn't really been full on
"launched" yet, the odds are that he showed you the 6700 (or maybe the
older 6601 which also has a slide out keyboard).

Those are the only two Sprint phones with a slide-out right now.

Maybe they are bringing over the Samsung SCH-i830 which also has a
slide.

The only "star" phone I know of is the Audiovox UTStarcom which is just
a flip-phone without keyboard.

Next time you pass the store, see if you can grab the model number. If
they have something new under wraps, it would be cool to know what it
is.

Tinman,

Don't get me wrong, I am a long time loyal PALM guy.

I had the first connected Palm, the Palm VII back in 1999.

Since then, I have owned the Treo 300, the Treo 600, and Treo 650.

The only time I was disappointed was when I went from the Treo 600 to
the Treo 650. As a matter of fact, the now 650 sits, and when I carry
my Treo, I carry the 600. The 600 is snappier, the 5 wav works better
(IMHO), and support for things such as Callfilter just seem to work
better.

I understand the NVFS and NVRAM and VRAM structure of the PPC's and the
Treo, but for crying out loud, NVRAM is so dang dirt cheap, that anyone
who doesn't put 128MB+ in their high end devices is just being penny
wise and pound foolish, IMHO.

I couldn't even sync my 600 data to my 650. Yes, yes, I had powerrun
to put 3rd party apps on my 1GB SD, but I had to empty out quite a few
memo's, contacts, etc. It was compeltely asinine to have LESS usable
memory in an upgraded device, and as I am sure you know, many early
adopters were irked.

And while the Treo is capable of being a MP3 (I love pocket tunes),
video player, Snappermail (a must), MS Office worker, etc ... you have
to put some cheese in for the apps. It makes the PPC's a little more
cost efficient, because you can do most all of these out of the box and
it really does shave about $100-$200 off the total cost of a similarly
configured device.

And I hate dropping TELNET, SSH and VPN connections simply because I
want to look up a contact, change tasks breifly, or when Snapper
decides to check mail. The multitasking cannot be overlooked by a
power user. I know the Treo has some basic multitasking (PocketTunes,
etc), but it is not a powerful part of the current PALM OS.

PALM OS has actually lost market share year over year, and i'm afraid
that is the direction it is headed. There is only so much more you can
do with it .... without basically turning it into Windows Mobile with a
different skin.

I too, wish the Pocket PC worked better without the stylus, but the new
5-way Joystick and "OK" buttons on the 6700 makes me only have to pull
out the stylus occasionally, and after purchasing Windows Voice
Command, I sit there and talk to the phone. I only have to press one
button, and it will call who I want, play songs by Artist, Genre, etc
.... tell me how much batter power I have left, what appointments are
coming up, and tons of other stuff.

Honestly, in day to day use, I grab the stylus maybe three or four
time. A vast improvement over the other models which require the
stylus to do anything.

They actually tried to make this model more "Treo-like" in it's one
handed usage, and while not succeeding 100%, they certainly got 3/4ths
of the way there.

Also, with the same headset, Bluetooth works significantly better on
the PPC. I'm sure the new Treo will fix this.

And EVDO and Wi-Fi are hard to overlook. Clocking 1Mbs+ anywhere in a
hotspot is pretty darn sweet. And the 1.3 Megapixel camera (with beam
flash) is ACTUALLY, finally, a viable alternative to carrying a
seperate dedicated camera. For family portraits? No. For print
quality? No. But for a quick snapshot, or to post on the web in
1280x1024 ... absolutely. They actually look like digital photgraphs
instead of an afterthought. Streaming audio works great, as does
streaming video, especailly with EVDO or Wi-Fi. And I have watched my
share of movies and/or TV shows that I transferred to the memory card.
Windows Media Player actually does a good job with all of the above,
and there are plenty of third party apps if it just doesn't do it for
you.

I think that for the raw power user, the PPC-6700 vs. the Treo 650 goes
to the PPC.

But the comparison is a little unfair, as one is a year older than the
other.

The PPC-6700 vs. the Treo 700x is going to be a whole different ball of
wax. If PALM can get it righ this time, load the thing up with cheap
NVRAM (why not just put 256 in there for $29??). I hope they put the
whole ball of wax into it this time and make it what it should have
been in the 650.

Generous memory, multitasking, voice recognition, better bluetooth,
good camera, wi-fi, EVDO ... and this thing could be the absolute best
of all worlds. It would be the perfect device, IMHO.

Here's hoping it happens!

FWIW wrote:
> Tinman,
>
> Since then, I have owned the Treo 300, the Treo 600, and Treo 650.
>
> The only time I was disappointed was when I went from the Treo 600 to
> the Treo 650. As a matter of fact, the now 650 sits, and when I carry
> my Treo, I carry the 600. The 600 is snappier, the 5 wav works better
> (IMHO), and support for things such as Callfilter just seem to work
> better.
>

By the time the Treo 600 was released, 160 x 160 was just not going to
cut-it for me. Pretty much the number one reason that stopped me from
getting one.

I also took notice of the issues that plagued many Treo 650
early-adopters and decided to wait before buying. Specifically, I
figured I wouldn't buy one till Sprint officially "fixed" the Treo so
that BT DUN was enabled (as they said they would do, in late 2004)--nor
till the NVFS memory over-use was corrected. Ironically, now that I've
bought one and DUN is indeed enabled (without needing a hack), I find
it's something I probably will hardly use.

Regardless, I think that someone buying an up-to-date Treo 650 now (or
recently) is in a different position than someone who bought one in 2004
(indeed, even a different hardware version). Combine that with the
advances in must-have add-on utilities and you (can) have a rather
powerful device.

I can't say I'd feel the same way if I'd bought one in 2004, and had to
stumble through the growing pains.


> I understand the NVFS and NVRAM and VRAM structure of the PPC's and
> the Treo, but for crying out loud, NVRAM is so dang dirt cheap, that
> anyone who doesn't put 128MB+ in their high end devices is just being
> penny wise and pound foolish, IMHO.
>

Well "NVRAM" that people usually refer to on a Treo is not really RAM at
all--it is flash memory (too slow to be used as RAM, and not setup to
used as RAM anyway). Sure memory is cheap--and Palm did end up, before
the NVFS fix, giving out free SD cards to make up for the lost storage
space due to the original NVFS debacle.

But increasing the size of the NVFS flash "disk" is not going to help
the issue with real RAM and dbcache--and that is where I find the
biggest problem with Palm NVFS devices occurs. If I could only have one
or the other, I'd choose to have more actual RAM than NVFS (flash)
memory. I can come darn close to making up for a shortage of NVFS memory
via SD. But right now there's nothing I can do about freeing up true RAM
(well, actually there is: I made my ROM image smaller to allow dbcache
to be larger, and I use Resco Locker along with DBCache tool to manage
the beast).

Regardless, after the heat they took over the Treo 650 I would expect
the 700 series to have more memory (hopefully not just double).


>
> And while the Treo is capable of being a MP3 (I love pocket tunes),
> video player, Snappermail (a must), MS Office worker, etc ... you
> have to put some cheese in for the apps.

So far, as I use the included Versamail and Docs2Go, the only extra cost
listed above--in my case--would be for Pocket Tunes. Even then you don't
need to buy it unless you want its extra features compared to the
included Real Player (e.g., WMA and streaming support). The included
Real Player will still play MP3s (or TCMP, which is astounding at
video).

With unlimited SMS and intelligent forwarding, I am immediately notified
of any important email (or all email, if I want). I then check it via
Versamail if it seems important--and Versamail is set to auto-retrieve
hourly from 7 AM to 10 PM. It ain't exactly push email, but fine for my
needs--for no additional charge.


> It makes the PPC's a little
> more cost efficient, because you can do most all of these out of the
> box and it really does shave about $100-$200 off the total cost of a
> similarly configured device.
>

I don't think $100-$200 is a realistic figure. Not everyone wants to do
everything. I've seen people with Treos that haven't even synced them
once, let alone added third-party apps (not kidding).

But there are "must-have" apps that power-users on both platforms
consider a necessity--and many are commercial (many are freeware too).


> And I hate dropping TELNET, SSH and VPN connections simply because I
> want to look up a contact, change tasks breifly, or when Snapper
> decides to check mail. The multitasking cannot be overlooked by a
> power user. I know the Treo has some basic multitasking (PocketTunes,
> etc), but it is not a powerful part of the current PALM OS.
>

Palm OS is in the dark-ages when it comes to multi-tasking (and I
seriously doubt that is going to change with the Treo 700p). However, in
my real-world usage, it hasn't been that big of a deal. Since I use it
as a phone first and use SPCS (CDMA) I have a bigger problem being able
to use data and voice at the same time. My Treo can't help that
situation. But it would be nice to start downloading a Webpage or start
a TS session, and then use another app while the page/screen is rendered
(besides just listening to music).


> PALM OS has actually lost market share year over year, and i'm afraid
> that is the direction it is headed. There is only so much more you
> can do with it .... without basically turning it into Windows Mobile
> with a different skin.
>

Well that's not the direction the OS is intended to go, at least at this
time ('Nix, yes, WM, no). Whether it succeeds, or even makes it to that
stage, remains to be seen.

And the PDA market in general has been declining. I certainly have no
intention of buying a dedicated PDA ever again (and I started before the
Newton was even released). Palm turned their attention to "smart
devices," which are not usually included in the dwindling--over-all--PDA
sales figures.

I'm pretty sure the Treo alone has outsold all WM phones--combined. And
based on that leaked document, which confirms what I see nearly every
time I travel, Palm doesn't seem to consider WM's other licensees as
much of a threat (after-all, they license the OS too now). It is the
Blackberry that they seem concerned about addressing.

If WM is a hit within the Treo lineup, great. But it will be awhile
before many Palm OS Treo fans convert.

I also wouldn't want Palm OS to evaporate. Without Palm OS, WinCE would
probably still be back at version 2.x and ActiveSync would still stink
(email syncing on only one PC?!). And I am only assuming the latest
version of AS is greatly-improved; I haven't actually used it.


>
> Also, with the same headset, Bluetooth works significantly better on
> the PPC. I'm sure the new Treo will fix this.
>

We shall see. At CES (IIRC, 1999) the then-new Bluetooth people claimed
that Bluetooth chipsets would eventually add no more than $0.05 to the
cost of a device.

Apparently Palm's Treo team took that as gospel and one nickel per-unit
was budgeted for Bluetooth implementation in the Treo 650. <g>


>
> I think that for the raw power user, the PPC-6700 vs. the Treo 650
> goes to the PPC.
>

Only if one is willing to go with a more-PDA-than-phone device. The Treo
650, admittedly with the appropriate apps, can be very powerful. Yet
it's still--to me--acceptable as a phone. A PPC-6700 is just too much
like holding an iPaq to my ear for my tastes.


> But the comparison is a little unfair, as one is a year older than the
> other.
>
> The PPC-6700 vs. the Treo 700x is going to be a whole different ball
> of wax. If PALM can get it righ this time, load the thing up with
> cheap NVRAM (why not just put 256 in there for $29??). I hope they
> put the whole ball of wax into it this time and make it what it
> should have been in the 650.
>
> Generous memory, multitasking, voice recognition, better bluetooth,
> good camera, wi-fi, EVDO ... and this thing could be the absolute best
> of all worlds. It would be the perfect device, IMHO.
>
> Here's hoping it happens!

I have been burned by hype too many times to even have hope anymore.
Now, I believe it when I see it (and with the Treo 650, even that took
more than 8 months).

My predication is the 700s will be like most prior releases: two steps
forward, one step back. If the stuff you care about is in the "forward"
category, you are one happy camper. But if you happen to be in the "one
step back" camp, you are SOL (at least at first). Yes there will be a
net gain, but I expect the usual early-adopter surprises (more so from
the Winmob camp <g>).

On the other hand, should the 700p turn out to be too enticing, I might
be tempted back into early-adopterhood. If that should happen it's
possible that a year from now--in this very NG--I'll be telling someone
why my Treo 700 sits in a drawer while my 650 is still in use.


--
Mike

Oh it is definitely better than the Treo 650.


"Mike Callery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:it8jf.59$_k3.0@dukeread01...
> And do you feel that the phone is really that much better than a Treo 650?
>
>
> "FWIW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> To take full advantage of EVDO, you will need a phone that can do nice
>> things with EVDO (unless you just plan to use it as a modem).
>>
>> The PPC-6700 has the latest Bluetooth standards, has EVDO, and
>> completely eliminates the need to carry a laptop computer for 1 or 2
>> day trips.
>>
>> It is larger than the usual $99 plastic phones, but when you figure
>> that it is a micro-laptop, a phone, a camera, a camcorder, an MP3
>> player, and a video player ... it seems well worth it at around $500
>> (or whatever you can negotiate it for).
>>
>> It ships with a belt clip case that makes it as easy to carry as any
>> small plastic phone. Will even go into a pants pocket.
>>
>
>

Andrea J Richardson wrote:
> Oh it is definitely better than the Treo 650.
>

The only thing "definite" is the opinion of the person using the phone.
You can't make blanket statements based on your own opinion.

For one thing, you don't speak for me. For me the PPC-2700 is definitely
not better than the Treo 650 (tried both before buying). Notice I wrote
"for me?" Others prefer the older i500. While *I* don't think the i500
is better than a Treo 650, it doesn't mean the device isn't "better" for
someone else.

It's also rather amusing that the original poster stated in the first
post, explicitly, that he didn't want a PDA ("the other one is a PDA,
which I don't want"). Maybe my English skills aren't that good, but to
me that means he doesn't want any PDA phone.


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Tinman is absolutely right.

There is no such thing as a "better" phone anymore than there is a
"better" pizza.

One of my family members vastly prefers their teeny tiny plastic phones
that does NOTHING other than make a phone call. It's a tri-band that
gets reception EVERYWHERE, has a battery life that make other phones
look like power-hogs, and weighs about as much as a raisin. This is
their "perfect" phone. They think that my smartphone obession is silly
(Why do you need all of that? What a waste!).

Some people can't like without the walke-talkie function, which none of
the smartphones have.

Phones are all about personal preferences.

There are some things the PPC has which I wish the Treo had, and some
things the Treo has that I wish the PPC had.

Truth be told, they can both accomplish almost identical tasks, you
just have to take slightly different routes to get there.

As a daily carrier *I* carry the PPC-6700. But every now and then
(especially when I think I am going to be doing some serious text
messaging), I grab the Treo instead.

They are both cutting edge smartphones, and while I have a preference,
I could not in all honestly declare one "better" than the other.

They have a different OS, and a different UI.

Is Apple better than Windows? Is Windows better than Linux? Is OS/X
better than Solaris? Is Symbian better than Windows Mobile? Is Palm
better tham Symbian?

You'll get a different answer from everyone you ask, and nobody is
wrong.

Since you have a Treo and a PPC, do you have two lines of Sprint service for
both of your phones?


"FWIW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tinman is absolutely right.
>
> There is no such thing as a "better" phone anymore than there is a
> "better" pizza.
>
> One of my family members vastly prefers their teeny tiny plastic phones
> that does NOTHING other than make a phone call. It's a tri-band that
> gets reception EVERYWHERE, has a battery life that make other phones
> look like power-hogs, and weighs about as much as a raisin. This is
> their "perfect" phone. They think that my smartphone obession is silly
> (Why do you need all of that? What a waste!).
>
> Some people can't like without the walke-talkie function, which none of
> the smartphones have.
>
> Phones are all about personal preferences.
>
> There are some things the PPC has which I wish the Treo had, and some
> things the Treo has that I wish the PPC had.
>
> Truth be told, they can both accomplish almost identical tasks, you
> just have to take slightly different routes to get there.
>
> As a daily carrier *I* carry the PPC-6700. But every now and then
> (especially when I think I am going to be doing some serious text
> messaging), I grab the Treo instead.
>
> They are both cutting edge smartphones, and while I have a preference,
> I could not in all honestly declare one "better" than the other.
>
> They have a different OS, and a different UI.
>
> Is Apple better than Windows? Is Windows better than Linux? Is OS/X
> better than Solaris? Is Symbian better than Windows Mobile? Is Palm
> better tham Symbian?
>
> You'll get a different answer from everyone you ask, and nobody is
> wrong.
>

>Since you have a Treo and a PPC, do you have two lines of Sprint service for
>both of your phones?

One family plan with 5 different numbers on 5 different phones.

It seems like one of the phones is always due for an upgrade.