Apple iPhone is GSM

In article <[email protected]>,
"Bill Marriott" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Name another phone that does Google Maps.
>
> Treo 700p

I've got them on my 650. Realtime traffic, too.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:45a43bd3$0$68974
> [email protected]:
>
> > Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use Cingular's
> > HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports on the iPhone
> > said that there would be two versions, a lower cost EDGE version, and a
> > higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version is the follow-on product,
> > but spending $600 for a phone without 3G is ludicrous.
> >
> >
>
> Spending $600 on ANYTHING that won't play an MP3 is really stupid.....

Unless you don't care about mp3. I don't.

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Kurt wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:45a43bd3$0$68974
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use Cingular's
>>> HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports on the iPhone
>>> said that there would be two versions, a lower cost EDGE version, and a
>>> higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version is the follow-on product,
>>> but spending $600 for a phone without 3G is ludicrous.
>>>
>>>
>> Spending $600 on ANYTHING that won't play an MP3 is really stupid.....
>
> Unless you don't care about mp3. I don't.

And of course it actually will play MP3s anyway.

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:17:35 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>\
>> They are hints and rumors that 3G and GPS are
>> on the way, whether that can be done by firmware upgrade or next years
>> model isn't clear yet.
>
>Hopefully this is the case. I'd advise waiting for the 3G version, even
>if it ends up being more expensive, but the price points of this device
>are not going to hold up at $500 and $600.
>
>ZDNet wrote:
>
>"Although we're pleased Apple made it a quad-band (GSM
>850/900/1800/1900) world phone, we're disappointed the iPhone's data
>support tops out at 2.5G EDGE networks. Considering the
>multimedia-friendly feature set, the omission of any 3G compatibility is
>a bit bizarre, particularly since Cingular now offers UMTS and HSDPA."
>
>If you look at the device as an OSx web pad/iPod/PDA, the price isn't
>excessive, it's when you think of it as a phone on one of the worst
>carriers in the U.S., that it seems expensive.


But thats not true. The data support includes WiFi 802.11g

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:36:21 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Kurt wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:45a43bd3$0$68974
>>> [email protected]:
>>>
>>>> Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use Cingular's
>>>> HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports on the iPhone
>>>> said that there would be two versions, a lower cost EDGE version, and a
>>>> higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version is the follow-on product,
>>>> but spending $600 for a phone without 3G is ludicrous.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Spending $600 on ANYTHING that won't play an MP3 is really stupid.....
>>
>> Unless you don't care about mp3. I don't.
>
>And of course it actually will play MP3s anyway.


The prototype doesn't do 3G, lets see what the released version does.
It does do 802.11g WiFi; far faster than 3G

In alt.cellular.cingular [email protected] wrote:
> Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.

Motorola V551.

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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:05:17 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:38:34 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> P.Schuman wrote:
>>>>>> Keynote is over, Apple.com has been updated:
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's listed as a GSM device,
>>>>> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
>>>> The strangest thing is that it's not 3G. It's only EDGE.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ummm.. It's also WiFi 802.11c and g
>>
>>Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use Cingular's
>>HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports on the iPhone
>>said that there would be two versions, a lower cost EDGE version, and a
>>higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version is the follow-on product,
>>but spending $600 for a phone without 3G is ludicrous.
>
> Its not just a phone, its all of a Blackberry, an iPod, a PDA, a
> phone, and a true html browser that fits in your pocket at 5 ounces..
> Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.
>
> They are hints and rumors that 3G and GPS are
> on the way, whether that can be done by firmware upgrade or next years
> model isn't clear yet.

To me a phone like this with all it's functionality should allow you to
install programs for it to be a pocket pc. According to several sources, it
is a closed system (like the iPod) and the only functionality you'll get is
whatever Apple gives to you. Definitely not for power users, but probably
perfect for all the people who prefer Apple to run their iLives.

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<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:17:35 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>\
>>> They are hints and rumors that 3G and GPS are
>>> on the way, whether that can be done by firmware upgrade or next years
>>> model isn't clear yet.
>>
>>Hopefully this is the case. I'd advise waiting for the 3G version, even
>>if it ends up being more expensive, but the price points of this device
>>are not going to hold up at $500 and $600.
>>
>>ZDNet wrote:
>>
>>"Although we're pleased Apple made it a quad-band (GSM
>>850/900/1800/1900) world phone, we're disappointed the iPhone's data
>>support tops out at 2.5G EDGE networks. Considering the
>>multimedia-friendly feature set, the omission of any 3G compatibility is
>>a bit bizarre, particularly since Cingular now offers UMTS and HSDPA."
>>
>>If you look at the device as an OSx web pad/iPod/PDA, the price isn't
>>excessive, it's when you think of it as a phone on one of the worst
>>carriers in the U.S., that it seems expensive.
>
>
> But thats not true. The data support includes WiFi 802.11g

Which has nothing to do with cellular broadband, and is worthless to anyone
not near a hotspot.

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"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> P.Schuman wrote:
>>> Keynote is over, Apple.com has been updated:
>>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>>>
>> It's listed as a GSM device,
>> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
>
> I was in BJ's, next to Apple's campus in Cupertino, about six months ago
> and I overheard some Apple people talking about the iPhone, and Verizon.
> They had pitched it to Verizon, but Verizon made some unacceptable
> demands:
>
> 1. Bluetooth needed to be disabled, except for the headset.
> 2. Music could only be downloaded from Verizon's music service
> 3. WiFi would be disabled anytime the device detected Verizon's network
> 4. The OS would have to be Windows Embedded
> 5. Every photo taken would have to be immediately transferred across
> Verizon's network
> 6. No roaming onto any non-Verizon CDMA network, even at extra cost

Sounds like they basically didn't want a phone controlled by Apple, which
Cingular is basically allowing Apple to do with this phone.

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Non- removable battery - strike 1

No 3G - strike 2

Cingular - strike 3....

I'll pass...

"P.Schuman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:%[email protected]...
>
>> Keynote is over, Apple.com has been updated:
>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>>
> It's listed as a GSM device,
> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
>
>

In article <[email protected]>,
"Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote:

> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:05:17 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>[email protected] wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:38:34 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> P.Schuman wrote:
> >>>>>> Keynote is over, Apple.com has been updated:
> >>>>>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> It's listed as a GSM device,
> >>>>> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
> >>>> The strangest thing is that it's not 3G. It's only EDGE.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ummm.. It's also WiFi 802.11c and g
> >>
> >>Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use Cingular's
> >>HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports on the iPhone
> >>said that there would be two versions, a lower cost EDGE version, and a
> >>higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version is the follow-on product,
> >>but spending $600 for a phone without 3G is ludicrous.
> >
> > Its not just a phone, its all of a Blackberry, an iPod, a PDA, a
> > phone, and a true html browser that fits in your pocket at 5 ounces..
> > Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.
> >
> > They are hints and rumors that 3G and GPS are
> > on the way, whether that can be done by firmware upgrade or next years
> > model isn't clear yet.
>
> To me a phone like this with all it's functionality should allow you to
> install programs for it to be a pocket pc. According to several sources, it
> is a closed system (like the iPod) and the only functionality you'll get is
> whatever Apple gives to you. Definitely not for power users, but probably
> perfect for all the people who prefer Apple to run their iLives.
>
Unless you buy a PDA, all the phones are "closed."

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<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> In alt.cellular.cingular [email protected] wrote:
>> Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.
>
> Motorola V551.

And a plethora of other phones:
http://www.google.com/support/mobile...891&topic=9120

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<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.

Lots of them:
http://www.google.com/support/mobile...891&topic=9120

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"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> At 10 Jan 2007 00:37:54 -0500 Larry wrote:
>
>> I see it says it also does wifi. It will be interesting to see how
>> Cingular is going to hobble that up to force you to use their $network$.
>>
>
> They won't. Despite your constant cell-phone provider bad-mouthing,
> Cingular (unlike Verizon) doesn't generally cripple phones in any
> significant way- their wi-fi equipped Windows Mobile smartphones aren't
> crippled at all, and I've found even their low-end phones I've used to
> have most configuration options in them.
>
> Now, like virtually every carrier, they do tend to ADD a bit of fluff and
> name-branding (i.e. the web-browser menu function might be renamed
> "MEDia" to match the Cingular marketing term for the function) and a low-
> end Nokia I bought from them and unlocked had a ringtone/wallpaper-buying
> option on the main top-level menu while more useful features were several
> levels deeper.
>
> But no, the iPhone will not be crippled in any way, and I predict it will
> do good things for my (very small amount of) AT&T stock... ;-)
>
>
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I tend to think, IMO of course, that the thing is crippled by iTunes, the
Cingular network, non-replaceable batteries, most likely a closed system
where only widgets are allowed (no real programs), but that's just me.
Seems like Apple is doing a good enough job crippling it on their own
without Cingulars help.

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"Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:05:17 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>[email protected] wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:38:34 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> P.Schuman wrote:
>> >>>>>> Keynote is over, Apple.com has been updated:
>> >>>>>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> It's listed as a GSM device,
>> >>>>> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
>> >>>> The strangest thing is that it's not 3G. It's only EDGE.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Ummm.. It's also WiFi 802.11c and g
>> >>
>> >>Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use Cingular's
>> >>HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports on the iPhone
>> >>said that there would be two versions, a lower cost EDGE version, and a
>> >>higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version is the follow-on product,
>> >>but spending $600 for a phone without 3G is ludicrous.
>> >
>> > Its not just a phone, its all of a Blackberry, an iPod, a PDA, a
>> > phone, and a true html browser that fits in your pocket at 5 ounces..
>> > Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.
>> >
>> > They are hints and rumors that 3G and GPS are
>> > on the way, whether that can be done by firmware upgrade or next years
>> > model isn't clear yet.
>>
>> To me a phone like this with all it's functionality should allow you to
>> install programs for it to be a pocket pc. According to several sources,
>> it
>> is a closed system (like the iPod) and the only functionality you'll get
>> is
>> whatever Apple gives to you. Definitely not for power users, but
>> probably
>> perfect for all the people who prefer Apple to run their iLives.
>>
> Unless you buy a PDA, all the phones are "closed."

Which is exactly what I was referring to, there is no comparing the iPhone
to a standard cell phone, even something like the Choclate or the enV. The
iPhone is competing with Blackberry's (closed systems) and PPCs (open
system). I do own a PDA, and I enjoy putting whatever I want on there
(limited to the amount of memory I have of course). There is easily a
market for this nice looking phone, but it's not revolutionary.

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