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  • 04-23-2007, 10:59 PM
    sw
    Grow up navas! Stop your childish whining. At least he has a life and a
    wife. What happen to your marriage? Why did she leave you? All you got
    is your V3xx & the last word on everything regardless of its accuracy.

    [Copied to alt.cellular.attws. Please post all alt.cellular.cingular
    posts to alt.cellular.attws as well. The Cingular name is going away, and
    alt.cellular.attws is the proper venue for posts regarding AT&T's
    Wireless Service.]


    In article <[email protected]>,
    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

    > That isn't good advice, and there is no official transition,
    >
    > Steven just has big grudges against Cingular the company, because his
    > wife got poor coverage, and against me personally, fueled by envy,
    > because I keep setting the record straight on his bashing of GSM in
    > general and Cingular in particular, and because I created the Cingular
    > newsgroup and the Cingular FAQ. He's now doing his best to damage the
    > Cingular newsgroup, in part because of Cingular, in part because I
    > created it. It's all very childish.
    >
    > Always consider the source before taking advice. Use the newsgroup
    > that's most appropriate to your needs, which is still (for now at least)
    > the Cingular newsgroup. And since cross-posting thread fragments to the
    > ATTWS newsgroup only serves to pointlessly damage it with noise, please
    > don't that.
    >
    > On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:28:28 GMT, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > <[email protected]>:
    >
    > >I'll be sure to follow this advice. As I indicated, I'm a newbie on this
    > >group and I appreciate all of the proper netiquettte advice one can give.
    > >Thanks.
    > >
    > >When is the official transition?
    > >
    > >> [Copied to alt.cellular.attws. Please post all alt.cellular.cingular posts
    > >> to alt.cellular.attws as well. The Cingular name is going away, and
    > >> alt.cellular.attws is the proper venue for posts regarding AT&T's Wireless
    > >> Service.]

  • 04-23-2007, 01:55 PM
    John Navas
    On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:44:49 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >Todd Allcock wrote:
    >
    >> Unless AT&T calls Cingular "AT&T Wireless" the attws group has the wrong
    >> name! A situation at least as confusing as using the Cingular group.

    >
    >When I've seen it mentioned, they call it the wireless unit of AT&T. So
    >technically maybe it should be alt.cellular.wsatt or just
    >alt.cellular.att.


    alt.cellular.att obviously makes the most sense if and when the Cingular
    name is actually retired. I may even do just that.

    >It's better to just use the existing name than to
    >create a new group.


    Because you say so? Not really true, of course, since that confuses
    it with the old defunct and poorly regarded AT&T Wireless Service. But
    of course you'd like that -- anything to impede the GSM juggernaut.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
  • 04-23-2007, 01:44 PM
    SMS
    Todd Allcock wrote:

    > Unless AT&T calls Cingular "AT&T Wireless" the attws group has the wrong
    > name! A situation at least as confusing as using the Cingular group.


    When I've seen it mentioned, they call it the wireless unit of AT&T. So
    technically maybe it should be alt.cellular.wsatt or just
    alt.cellular.att. It's better to just use the existing name than to
    create a new group.
  • 04-23-2007, 12:37 PM
    John Navas
    On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:03:07 -0600, Todd Allcock
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >In short, what's the hurry, unless your ONLY motive is to get under a
    >certain person's skin? (Which, if the case, is fine as long as you're up
    >front about it, and those who wish to play along, can.)


    Actually not fine -- that's abuse of Usenet.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
  • 04-23-2007, 12:03 PM
    Todd Allcock
    At 23 Apr 2007 09:40:58 -0700 SMS wrote:
    > Todd Allcock wrote:
    >
    > > Not really- the T-Mobile namewas in use for several years before the

    T-Mo
    > > group was in use.

    >
    > It was in use outside the U.S. for several years before the U.S. change

    of Voicestream to T-Mobile, but not for that long in the U.S. before the
    alt.cellular.t-mobile group was created.

    IIRC, only in the last year has the T-Mo group "replaced" the VStream
    group- prior to that the VS group had far more activity. The T-Mo name
    has been in use here for at least three years.

    While I understand your desire to get things moving faster WRT the AT&T
    group, I feel we should probably wait and see what AT&Tingular actually
    intends to call "the wireless service formerly known as Cingular" before
    we use the incorrect, but "close" ATTWS group.

    As you correctly pointed out, the T-Mobile group was CREATED after the
    service changed names- T-Mo users didn't just take over an old group with
    a similar name! ;-)

    Unless AT&T calls Cingular "AT&T Wireless" the attws group has the wrong
    name! A situation at least as confusing as using the Cingular group.

    In short, what's the hurry, unless your ONLY motive is to get under a
    certain person's skin? (Which, if the case, is fine as long as you're up
    front about it, and those who wish to play along, can.)






    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  • 04-23-2007, 11:19 AM
    John Navas
    On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:40:58 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >Todd Allcock wrote:
    >
    >> Not really- the T-Mobile namewas in use for several years before the T-Mo
    >> group was in use.

    >
    >It was in use outside the U.S. for several years before the U.S. change
    >of Voicestream to T-Mobile, but not for that long in the U.S. before the
    >alt.cellular.t-mobile group was created.


    Not true.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
  • 04-23-2007, 10:40 AM
    SMS
    Todd Allcock wrote:

    > Not really- the T-Mobile namewas in use for several years before the T-Mo
    > group was in use.


    It was in use outside the U.S. for several years before the U.S. change
    of Voicestream to T-Mobile, but not for that long in the U.S. before the
    alt.cellular.t-mobile group was created.
  • 04-23-2007, 08:43 AM
    SMS
    Joe wrote:
    > I'll be sure to follow this advice. As I indicated, I'm a newbie on this
    > group and I appreciate all of the proper netiquettte advice one can give.
    > Thanks.
    >
    > When is the official transition?
    >
    >> [Copied to alt.cellular.attws. Please post all alt.cellular.cingular posts
    >> to alt.cellular.attws as well. The Cingular name is going away, and
    >> alt.cellular.attws is the proper venue for posts regarding AT&T's Wireless
    >> Service.]


    Nothing is official here.

    "AT&T has done a good job of reintroducing its brand. Cingular will take
    a while to get rid of. They're at the middle of transition that just has
    to be done, and it's like pulling off the Band-Aid--you just have to do
    it," he says."

    Here's the post where I suggested a transition schedule.

    With the decision of AT&T to eliminate the Cingular branding in favor of
    calling its wireless service "AT&T" it's time to phase out usage of the
    alt.cellular.cingular Usenet group in favor of the alt.cellular.attws group.

    I suggest the following transition strategy:

    1. New threads should be posted to both alt.cellular.cingular and
    alt.cellular.attws, until June 30th 2007.

    2. Follow-up posts to threads that are only posted on
    alt.cellular.cingular should add alt.cellular.attws, but keep
    alt.cellular.cingular until June 30th 2007.

    3. Beginning July 1st 2007, new threads should be posted only to
    alt.cellular.attws.

    4. Beginning July 1st 2007, follow-up posts to threads that are only
    posted on alt.cellular.cingular, should remove alt.cellular.cingular,
    and add alt.cellular.attws.

    I think that this will work well. Look at how quickly
    alt.cellular.t-mobile replaced alt.cellular.gsm.carriers.voicestream.
    The latter group now has very, very, few postings.
  • 04-23-2007, 08:24 AM
    John Navas
    That isn't good advice, and there is no official transition,

    Steven just has big grudges against Cingular the company, because his
    wife got poor coverage, and against me personally, fueled by envy,
    because I keep setting the record straight on his bashing of GSM in
    general and Cingular in particular, and because I created the Cingular
    newsgroup and the Cingular FAQ. He's now doing his best to damage the
    Cingular newsgroup, in part because of Cingular, in part because I
    created it. It's all very childish.

    Always consider the source before taking advice. Use the newsgroup
    that's most appropriate to your needs, which is still (for now at least)
    the Cingular newsgroup. And since cross-posting thread fragments to the
    ATTWS newsgroup only serves to pointlessly damage it with noise, please
    don't that.

    On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:28:28 GMT, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >I'll be sure to follow this advice. As I indicated, I'm a newbie on this
    >group and I appreciate all of the proper netiquettte advice one can give.
    >Thanks.
    >
    >When is the official transition?
    >
    >> [Copied to alt.cellular.attws. Please post all alt.cellular.cingular posts
    >> to alt.cellular.attws as well. The Cingular name is going away, and
    >> alt.cellular.attws is the proper venue for posts regarding AT&T's Wireless
    >> Service.]


    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
  • 04-23-2007, 07:28 AM
    Joe
    I'll be sure to follow this advice. As I indicated, I'm a newbie on this
    group and I appreciate all of the proper netiquettte advice one can give.
    Thanks.

    When is the official transition?

    >
    > [Copied to alt.cellular.attws. Please post all alt.cellular.cingular posts
    > to alt.cellular.attws as well. The Cingular name is going away, and
    > alt.cellular.attws is the proper venue for posts regarding AT&T's Wireless
    > Service.]



  • 04-22-2007, 11:03 PM
    John Navas
    On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:13:06 -0600, Todd Allcock
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >At 22 Apr 2007 20:27:32 -0700 SMS wrote:
    >
    >> The gradual transition to alt.cellular.attws is just something that
    >> makes sense. The Cingular name is disappearing, so it makes no sense
    >> to continue to have a Usenet group for something that doesn't exist
    >> anymore.

    >
    >Except that the Cingular-to-AT&T name transition is still in it's early
    >stages. Every ad I've seen so far is co-branded, and the stores still
    >say "Cingular" on the sign.


    Yep. He's just got a big personal grudge that gets in the way of simple
    facts and common courtesy.

    >> It's similar to the transition from alt.cellular.gsm.carriers.
    >> voicestream to alt.cellular.t-mobile.

    >
    >Not really- the T-Mobile namewas in use for several years before the T-Mo
    >group was in use.


    Ditto.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
  • 04-22-2007, 10:13 PM
    Todd Allcock
    At 22 Apr 2007 20:27:32 -0700 SMS wrote:

    > The gradual transition to alt.cellular.attws is just something that
    > makes sense. The Cingular name is disappearing, so it makes no sense
    > to continue to have a Usenet group for something that doesn't exist
    > anymore.


    Except that the Cingular-to-AT&T name transition is still in it's early
    stages. Every ad I've seen so far is co-branded, and the stores still
    say "Cingular" on the sign.


    > It's similar to the transition from alt.cellular.gsm.carriers.
    > voicestream to alt.cellular.t-mobile.



    Not really- the T-Mobile namewas in use for several years before the T-Mo
    group was in use.



    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  • 04-21-2007, 09:19 AM
    SMS
    (Sorry for double post in alt.cellular.cingular, I forgot to include
    alt.cellular.attws as we are supposed to be doing).

    Todd Allcock wrote:

    > I assume the 2610 is unlocked? If not, you need to get itunlocked first,
    > either by a pay-per-code online unlocker, an online code calculator, or
    > by getting the code from the phone's original carrier. As a general
    > rule, one carrier cannot unlock another's phone. Some phones, like
    > TracFones, can't be unlocked.


    I checked on "http://www.peters1.dk/unlock/nokia/online.php?sprog=en"
    which is what I've used to unlock Nokia phones, and the 2610 is
    apparently not unlockable by the online code generators using the IMEI.

    See "http://www.unlockitnow.com/Nokia/" and it says that it requires
    unlocking by the operator.

    [Copied to alt.cellular.attws. Please post all alt.cellular.cingular
    posts to alt.cellular.attws as well. The Cingular name is going away,
    and alt.cellular.attws is the proper venue for posts regarding AT&T's
    Wireless Service.]

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