On Jul 28, 8:54*pm, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> 4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:f58d7937-3b9e-4b53-b0ce-
> [email protected]:
>
> > Google earth?
>
> Like this?http://youtube.com/watch?v=NUkvEeBd1Is
>
> 3D....watch the video....(c;
>
> Hey! *It's LINUX!

No I haven't seen google earth like that on the iPhone yet. hey what
is that pointy thing in the man's hand, his finger? You need a handful
of fingers to do what he did with the iPhone.

But the next time your iPhone friend sees you ask him to grab the free
game Moonlight Mahjong's. Have him fire up some music in iTunes to
give the little processor something to do and then launch that game.
Read the directions. The game rotates in 3D and can be manipulated in
any dimension as you examine the complex board. Notice how smooth and
clear the graphics are, how accurate to the smallest detail in every
position. There are millions of PC's that can not do that.

4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:d5baf94f-08a9-487c-af7a-
[email protected]:

> On Jul 28, 8:54*pm, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:f58d7937-3b9e-4b53-b0ce-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>> > Google earth?
>>
>> Like this?http://youtube.com/watch?v=NUkvEeBd1Is
>>
>> 3D....watch the video....(c;
>>
>> Hey! *It's LINUX!
>
> No I haven't seen google earth like that on the iPhone yet. hey what
> is that pointy thing in the man's hand, his finger? You need a handful
> of fingers to do what he did with the iPhone.

That's an extremely fine and accurate pointing device used on very high
resolution touchscreens to point to very specific points much more
narrow than your grease covered meat hook. It's called a STYLUS (sti-
lus). It is used for drawing very fine lines on high definition
screens, pointing to very closely spaced news articles on webpages such
as:
http://news.google.com/
without zooming in and out and in and out just to point to them. It's
accuracy, like your middle finger now pointing at my message, is the
width of the pointy end.


> But the next time your iPhone friend sees you ask him to grab the free
> game Moonlight Mahjong's. Have him fire up some music in iTunes to
> give the little processor something to do and then launch that game.
> Read the directions. The game rotates in 3D and can be manipulated in
> any dimension as you examine the complex board. Notice how smooth and
> clear the graphics are, how accurate to the smallest detail in every
> position. There are millions of PC's that can not do that.
>

Yes, but I can look down that mountainside in 3D with Google Earth and
see the stream burbling over the little falls into the pool below.....

4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:f58d7937-3b9e-4b53-b0ce-
[email protected]:

> Google earth?
>

Like this?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NUkvEeBd1Is

3D....watch the video....(c;

Hey! It's LINUX!

On Jul 12, 10:00*pm, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Roger 2008" <[email protected]> wrote innews:[email protected]:
>
> > Looks like the iPhone Campers will have to wait in line a few more
> > days if they want a GPS for turn-by-turn navigation.
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=IWAmxpQP0Ww
>
> Not really....(c;
>
> This is REAL GPS, not using the sellphone A-GPS made for pocket phones. *
> It's accuracy driving around is the distance between the front doors.
>
> Having an easy mount is essential. *Mine is a supersuction cup to the
> windscreen, putting the display wherever you want. *There are now five
> navigation programs to choose from, most freeware like Maemo Mapper,
> like having Google/Virtual Earth in your pocket:http://youtube.com/watch?v=698iql3B824
> This is an old video. *Maemo Mapper now supports:
> Open Street
> Google Street
> Google Satellite
> Virtual Earth Street
> Virtual Earth Satellite
> Virtual Earth Hybrid (sat/streets, my favorite)
> Yahoo Street
> Yahoo Satellite
>
> The other is WEATHER radar, live!
> at mesonet.agron.iastate.edu, they have Google compatible tiles of all
> the Nexrad radars across North America. *Maemo mapper can use these
> tiles. *This turns the N800/N810 maemo mapper display into a realtime
> digital color weather radar screen with you in the center of it....with
> full tracking just like the weather radar of a commercial jet. *
> UNfortunately, the maemo mapper geniuses have yet to integrate one of
> the other mapping tile repositories under this radar display. *You get a
> raw weather radar display without the map display at this time. *But, it
> is so cool to pop up the weather radar from anyplace the sellphone can
> get its data link...(c; *
>
> Well, FruitFones will catch up to this technology, some day.....if
> allowed....if someone thinks they can sell it to you by the month.
>

You get both the map display and radar for the whole country and
Mexico (maybe even Canada - I didn't look) with street level zoom on
the iPhone.

Google earth?

I am standing in line in Kohls talking to an Indian (from India) about
the bomb attacks of the last few days when I show him the iPhone and
have him pull up the latest news. I then ask him to type in his
address in India. Poof with 3G I have the map in seconds and in a few
seconds more a satellite image of his home down to the view of the
cars on the street. I also demonstrated he could locate his local
Hindu temple and nine others as well as the nearest Pizza from here.
A view and data search clear on the other side of the world, while
standing in line with a credit card sized cell phone in the USA!

He was impressed.

Indians are always impressed with trinkets like that and that is how
we got New York City from the natives who lived here. Think of what we
could have been had if the settlers had iPhones to sell them instead
of beads.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:56:24 -0500, M.Gerald wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):

> Software problems bug Apple's launch of new iPhone
> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/apple_...Iu430GjzH6L5A5

Yeah, they only sold a million units the first weekend.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:03:48 -0500, Roger 2008 wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):

> BTW I was given permission to try and pair an "iPhone 3G" to my Garmin
> Mobile 10 and it didn't find it so you can't even use a BT GPS with it.

Paired it with my Garmin Nuvi 360 and it worked flawlessly.

"Roger 2008" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Looks like the iPhone Campers will have to wait in line a few more
> days if they want a GPS for turn-by-turn navigation.
>
>

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IWAmxpQP0Ww

Not really....(c;

This is REAL GPS, not using the sellphone A-GPS made for pocket phones.
It's accuracy driving around is the distance between the front doors.

Having an easy mount is essential. Mine is a supersuction cup to the
windscreen, putting the display wherever you want. There are now five
navigation programs to choose from, most freeware like Maemo Mapper,
like having Google/Virtual Earth in your pocket:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=698iql3B824
This is an old video. Maemo Mapper now supports:
Open Street
Google Street
Google Satellite
Virtual Earth Street
Virtual Earth Satellite
Virtual Earth Hybrid (sat/streets, my favorite)
Yahoo Street
Yahoo Satellite

The latest additions are quite neat, too:

runwayfinder.com has tiles of every US aeronautical chart:
http://www.runwayfinder.com/
Their tiles are in the same format as these others so you simply add
their server address to Maemo Mapper and you now have the latest
aeronautical charts, live over your sellphone data link, with your
little Cessna 150's GPS plotted automatically on it. Switch maps to one
of the satellite photo tile sets just before you approach the airport
and the damned thing will plot your little plane
(ultralight?...sailplane?) landing right on the runway in the EXACT
position your little plane lands upon it...centerline, right of center,
left of center. Simply amazing....(c;
Switch back to runwayfinder to get any frequency/runway/data any chart
would have. It's like having inertial navigation from a commercial
jet...stuck to the windscreen above the panel....(c;

The other is WEATHER radar, live!
at mesonet.agron.iastate.edu, they have Google compatible tiles of all
the Nexrad radars across North America. Maemo mapper can use these
tiles. This turns the N800/N810 maemo mapper display into a realtime
digital color weather radar screen with you in the center of it....with
full tracking just like the weather radar of a commercial jet.
UNfortunately, the maemo mapper geniuses have yet to integrate one of
the other mapping tile repositories under this radar display. You get a
raw weather radar display without the map display at this time. But, it
is so cool to pop up the weather radar from anyplace the sellphone can
get its data link...(c; I sail on other people's boats with my tablet.
To enhance the sellphone data coverage offshore that bluetooth DUN
connects the tablet to the net, I simply put my ROKR Z6m in a ziplock
bag, in case it rains, and haul it up the mainmast of the sailboat until
the bluetooth bombs. Offshore, without all the RF noise from other BT
users where it's much quieter, the phone will BT data to the tablet all
the way to the top of the 60' mast...giving us nearly 10 miles of
internet offshore from up there....(c;

Well, FruitFones will catch up to this technology, some day.....if
allowed....if someone thinks they can sell it to you by the month.

You don't have to wait as it's already here, NOW....

But, don't forget, it's not a sellphone....even though, being
multitasking Linux, it WILL make phone calls to Mom over Skype while,
simultaneously, doing navigation on any of the nav programs, even
talking to you from Wayfinder if you like.

"News" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> The GPS feature, while better than the pseudo GPS feature on its
> predecessor, is useless according to Pogue because "the antenna is much
> too small to emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a
> vehicle."

Thanks for the info and bummer about the GPS.

BTW I was given permission to try and pair an "iPhone 3G" to my Garmin
Mobile 10 and it didn't find it so you can't even use a BT GPS with it.

Looks like the iPhone Campers will have to wait in line a few more days if
they want a GPS for turn-by-turn navigation.

iPhone Campers?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cjh6793/2657626370/

Post being replied to:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.c...481c0211f2fa59

David G. Imber wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:30:29 -0400, News <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>So, if I may paraphrase slightly, you perfume pigs for a living and that
>>is why you choose to characterize these reviews in this manner?
>
>
> I'm sorry, but I do not understand what appears to be your
> criticism at all.


Oh? Must be all that perfume you've been using...

---

"The Wall Street Journal's Walt Mossberg, The New York Times' David
Pogue, and USA Today's Edward Baig got their hands on the new iPhone 3G
and have published reviews that gives us more reasons to wait than to
upgrade.

A few things have improved in this model, but all three reviewers
complained about the iPhone's lack of video recording, MMS, AT&T's 3G
coverage, and extra costs associated with AT&T's 3G service contract. As
a matter of fact, their complaints far outweigh any "improvements" made
on this iPhone 3G version.

Many have anticipated an iPhone that would support AT&T's 3G network,
yet both Mossberg and Baig seemed annoyed by the lack of 3G coverage in
some areas.

Mossberg says that the iPhone 3G registered strong coverage in his
neighborhood, but found that calls regularly broke up on some major
streets, and even had to borrow a cheap Verizon phone to complete an
important call that was dropped three times on the new iPhone.

Baig, on the other hand, couldn't access the 3G network in parts of his
neighborhood. He writes, "Meanwhile, for all the hoopla involving AT&T's
speedier, third-generation network, I couldn't access 3G in parts of my
northern New Jersey neighborhood and elsewhere. When the fast network
isn't available, the phone automatically reverts to the pokier and
oft-maligned Edge network."

They all agree that websites loaded faster on the 3G network than on
EDGE, but Wi-Fi is "still the the fastest method for downloads." Baig
says it took 10 to 30 seconds to load popular websites through 3G, and
Mossberg found that checking email and surfing the Web on the 3G network
was three to five times faster—but we already knew that.

It may be easier and faster to access websites or check email on the new
iPhone 3G, but for how long?

Mossberg thought the iPhone 3G's battery drained much faster on a
typical day than the battery on the original iPhone, while Baig found
quite the opposite, yet admitted to getting low battery warnings towards
the end of day. Either way, it looks like you'll need to charge your
phone every night.

Aside from all the 3G network issues, which is the touted feature on
this new model, some minor improvements on the phone itself gave
reviewers something to be happy about. For example, all three agree that
the audio quality improved, the GPS feature was very accurate, and the
curvier design felt better in your hand.

Software improvements include a scientific calculator, an address book
search box, parental controls, and instant language switching.
Multitasking will be easier now that you can delete multiple emails,
save photo attachments, and open PowerPoint files, although that may
crash your iPhone as Mossberg found out.

The GPS feature, while better than the pseudo GPS feature on its
predecessor, is useless according to Pogue because "the antenna is much
too small to emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a
vehicle."

None of the reviewers were able to test the App Store, but all three
seem to agree that the biggest attraction will probably be the
third-party applications, not the 3G functionality, which is what many
have been anticipating.

So should you upgrade?

Pogue says the iPhone 3G is a nice upgrade, "But it’s not so much better
that it turns all those original iPhones into has-beens. Indeed, the
really big deal is the iPhone 2.0 software and the App Store, neither of
which requires buying a new iPhone."

Mossberg agrees, and suggests iPhone owner who are ok with using Wi-Fi
for data should "hold off and get the free software upgrade before
deciding whether it’s worth getting the new hardware.""

---

If you can make "fabulous" out of that review, then as I said, you are
in the business of perfuming pigs.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:30:29 -0400, News <[email protected]> wrote:


>
>So, if I may paraphrase slightly, you perfume pigs for a living and that
>is why you choose to characterize these reviews in this manner?

I'm sorry, but I do not understand what appears to be your
criticism at all. I believe you misunderstood me, and took that as an
opportunity to be uncivil.

I was characterizing a single article, it was an overview of
three other reviews (only three major publications that I am aware of
rec'd. this device in advance of its general release). This overview
claimed that the three initial reviewers felt that the perceived
disadvantages of the Apple product "outweighed" its advantages. The
writer led the piece with that assertion. I read the three reviews
that the overview refers to (and you may too if you wish), and they
did NOT feel that way.

So I was characterizing this ARTICLE, this OVERVIEW, as being
misleading.

I stand by that completely, and no, you may not paraphrase me
if you don't mind.

DGI

David G. Imber wrote:
>
> But more to the point, it's interesting to note how personal
> attitudes are laying a heavy hand on the reporting. For example, the
> "review of reviews" you cite above says this:
>
> "A few things have improved in this model, but all three reviewers
> complained about the iPhone's lack of video recording, MMS, AT&T's 3G
> coverage, and extra costs associated with AT&T's 3G service contract.
> As a matter of fact, their complaints far outweigh any "improvements"
> made on this iPhone 3G version. "
>
> The first sentence is TRUE, the second is FALSE, or at least
> heavy editorialization. All three reviewers concluded that the phone
> is, on the whole, an improved version of the original, which they
> liked. They express their caveats in an even-handed way, and none of
> them conclude that the complaints "outweigh" the improvements. The
> three reviews are more like tempered endorsements, and two are closer
> to raves.
>
> This whole affair is fascinating on one hand as a tech story,
> and on the other as a look at certain aspects of human nature (spec.
> peoples' relationship with their tools, or toys, as some would have
> it).


So, if I may paraphrase slightly, you perfume pigs for a living and that
is why you choose to characterize these reviews in this manner?

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:56:24 -0500, M.Gerald <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>iPhone 3G gets reviewed and it's just OK
>http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/3...d-its-just-ok/
>
>There's more, but you get the idea. Not a great launch party, it
>seems.

Well, yes and no. I work for a Japanese company (though I'm in
NY) and the "party" is a global one. I've already gotten breathless
accounts from some of my colleagues there.

But more to the point, it's interesting to note how personal
attitudes are laying a heavy hand on the reporting. For example, the
"review of reviews" you cite above says this:

"A few things have improved in this model, but all three reviewers
complained about the iPhone's lack of video recording, MMS, AT&T's 3G
coverage, and extra costs associated with AT&T's 3G service contract.
As a matter of fact, their complaints far outweigh any "improvements"
made on this iPhone 3G version. "

The first sentence is TRUE, the second is FALSE, or at least
heavy editorialization. All three reviewers concluded that the phone
is, on the whole, an improved version of the original, which they
liked. They express their caveats in an even-handed way, and none of
them conclude that the complaints "outweigh" the improvements. The
three reviews are more like tempered endorsements, and two are closer
to raves.

This whole affair is fascinating on one hand as a tech story,
and on the other as a look at certain aspects of human nature (spec.
peoples' relationship with their tools, or toys, as some would have
it).

DGI

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 09 Jul 2008 15:01:08 -0500 ps56k wrote:
>
>> It will be interesting to see if the draw/demand is there, like with
>> the first one.
>
>
> The new lower pricing will assure that.
>
>> My interest was in the Exchange active sync email (push) support,
>> but I think I read that it does not work when the link is "https"...
>> which is the normal setup.
>
>
> I find it hard to believe it won't handle secure Exchange servers, but
> we'll see, I guess...

yeah - looks ok, as it mentions SSL for the connection,
I should have read the iPhone page....
http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/integration.html

>> Also - with respect to GSM vs CDMA -
>> It looks like Verizon might be heading away from CDMA EVDO data
>> and towards the GSM data world of LTE.
>
> That will allow (future) interoperability with the networks of
> Verizon's foreign masters at Vodaphone. It makes perfect sense that
> carriers would migrate to a uniform voice/data standard eventually,
> via system upades, without having to tear down and replace existing
> infrastructure.
>
> As to the "CDMA vs. GSM" thing, Verizon won't be "switching" from
> CDMA to GSM- LTE will be a 4G data overlay on their current CDMA
> network, much like WCDMA (UMTS, GSM's 3G system) was an overlay on
> the 2G GSM system. Verizon's LTE will let future 4G international
> phone owners with the correct frequency bands roam in the US on
> Verizon's otherwise incompatible network the same way some GSM 3G
> phones with the right bands can roam on the 3G overlay of Japan's
> otherwise incompatible CDMA networks.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, David G. Imber posted:
> I get to Japan often, and have purchased phones for others. It
> happens that I've been with Sprint for nine years, which has naturally
> limited my options a good deal.

Rumor states that KDDI au is switching channels to the same ones used
elsewhere in the world, so presumably newer KDDI au phones will roam with
Verizon, Sprint, Alltel, and Telus in North America. The problem is in
getting the subsidy code from KDDI (AFAIK, Verizon is pretty unique in
using a subsidy code of 000000 for all their phones), and then getting
your carrier to activate that ESN (Verizon CSRs will if you ask really,
really, nicely -- I've done it).

>> You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese
>> capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone.
> I do not. I dislike MP3. My wife does, and she holds a slight
> edge in the voting, don't ask me how.

I can imagine!

> One feature of the iPhone that does make a very positive
> impression is the Safari mobile browser. I haven't yet seen a RIM or
> Palm device with a useful browser.

Safari on the iPhone/iPod Touch is hyped as being a full browser, but of
course it is not really "full" and is idiosyncratic in its own ways
(albeit not as bad as WAP).

There is a bug in the current 1.1.4 release that requires you to jailbreak
your iToy and change some filesystem ownerships to make Safari work with
some pages that have logins. For example, Hotmail won't work at all
usefully until you do that. I don't know if they fixed it in 2.0 or not.

> I must admit I haven't really
> examined this aspect of the Windows Mobile platform, but I imagine it
> would be strong as well.

It depends. The WM version of IE is a basically a WAP browser. You
need to buy something like Opera Mobile to get a real browser on WM.

The real problem with both WM and iToy is the lack of screen resolution.
The iToy has better resolution than most WM phones, but it pales compared
to the screen on the Nokia N800. It's actually possible to view a page on
the N800/N810 without having to zoom in and out all the time like you do
on the iToy.

Good luck!

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

"Roger 2008" <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> At 09 Jul 2008 19:19:03 -0700 4phun wrote:
>>
>> > > > proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone,
>> > > > that's
> why.
>>
>> > >
>> > > You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is
> defined
>> > > by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds)
>> > > that they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care
>> > > less.
>> >
>> > If you do not caare for the iPhone have enough maturity to ignore
>> > it and move on without wasting everyones else's time with comments
>> > like the above when there are those who are looking for information
>> > and appreciate posts on iPhone 3G developments. Another words GET A
>> > LIFE.
>>
>>
>> That doesn't excuse Oxford's continued crossposting. Where does your
>> slippery slope end? Are the Cletus KKK posts here ok because someone
> might
>> "appreciate" racist drivel? Maybe the recent Islamaspam is ok
>> because it might be interesting to someone on a cellphone NG?
>>
>> The point stands that anyone who might "appreciate posts on iPhone 3G
>> developments" can go to the SEVERAL groups where such posts are
>> actually
> ON
>> TOPIC, and don't need Oxford, you, or I to "deliver" them elsewhere.
>
> I wonder what will happen after the iPhone 3G comes out tomorrow.
>
> BTW after all the hype about the iPhone 3G I still don't know if it
> has Stereo Bluetooth.
>
>
>

It does not.