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  • 11-18-2008, 09:49 AM
    Todd Allcock
    At 17 Nov 2008 21:48:56 -0500 Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

    > The US is a late adopter of GSM, it's been in wide use in most of the
    > rest of the world for many years before the prior AT&T Wireless started
    > deploying it here.



    While we were a little late to the party, GSM was deployed here long before
    AT&T Wireless started migrating from TDMA to GSM in 2000 or 2001 or so.
    The test launch of Sprint PCS in Washington D.C and Baltimore was GSM back
    in 1995, and Sprint ran both GSM and CDMA there for a couple of years
    before selling the GSM network to one of T-Mobile's predecessors.

    In the mid-to-late 90s, PacBell Wireless, the western-most member of the
    unholy trinity that became Cingular, ran a GSM network in California, Nevada,

    Oregon and never had to "convert" to GSM like AT&T or the rest of Cingular.

    Meanwhile, the "GSM Alliance" members- rural regional PCS carriers like
    Omnipoint, Aerial, Powertel, etc., most of whom became T-Mobile USA,
    sprang up.

    > BTW, the iPhone on an EDGE network doesn't cause such chatter in my
    > car's stereo speakers. My GSM Treos did. Same car, same stereo, same
    > speakers, same mounting spot.



    I haven't tried my wife's iPhone over her car stereo yet. It makes the
    standard chattering noises over my PC speakers like every other GSM phone
    we own, though.


  • 11-17-2008, 09:56 PM
    DevilsPGD
    In message
    <[email protected]> TE
    <[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:

    >Very embarrassing when you are in a meeting and it causes interference
    >with the conference phone speaker, or the speakers in the big screen
    >TV next to you.
    >Everybody looks around the room with that "OK, who's the guy with the
    >AT&T phone in here?" look
    >But it's good to have so many of those GSM (iPhone?) users around, so
    >everyone can suspect them
    >
    >I thought keeping my phone on silent/vibrate would suffice.
    >I guess I'll have to turn the phone off.
    >
    >How did these cell phone protocol guys get FCC clearance to deploy
    >these "noisy" devices?


    In short, the device is doing what it is intended to do, in frequency
    space allocated for this activity.

    The problem isn't the mobile device, it's the speakers which are not
    properly shielded from interference that are the problem.

    You can run into similar issues with a larger CRT monitor, or various
    other devices.
  • 11-17-2008, 08:48 PM
    Jeffrey Kaplan
    Previously on alt.cellular.attws, TE said:

    > How did these cell phone protocol guys get FCC clearance to deploy
    > these "noisy" devices?


    You should ask that about the regulators in the EU, or various
    countries in the rest of Europe, the Mid-East and/or Asia.

    The US is a late adopter of GSM, it's been in wide use in most of the
    rest of the world for many years before the prior AT&T Wireless started
    deploying it here.

    And, so far as I know, there are no regulations against a radio
    transmitter from, well, transmitting.

    BTW, the iPhone on an EDGE network doesn't cause such chatter in my
    car's stereo speakers. My GSM Treos did. Same car, same stereo, same
    speakers, same mounting spot.

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    Matters"
  • 11-17-2008, 07:11 PM
    TE
    On Nov 17, 1:57*pm, Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Previously on alt.cellular.attws, TE said:
    >
    > > > > > When my Samsung SGH-i617 Blackjack II phone (AT&T) switches from 3G
    > > > > > to EVDO mode, it causes interference on nearby speakers.
    > > > > Your phone switches from GSM to CDMA?
    > > > Syntax error, probably. *I assume he meant switching from GSM to 3G..

    >
    > > Thanks.
    > > I meant EDGE (an enhanced GSM mode?), not EVDO.
    > > My phone switches from "3G" to "E" and back, but almost never goes all
    > > the way down to "G" (GSM).

    >
    > It's an artifact of GSM, it's normal. *Annoying, but normal. *I've
    > heard from others that GSM 3G does not do the speaker chatter thing. No
    > 3G where I live yet, so I have no first-hand knowledge.


    Very embarrassing when you are in a meeting and it causes interference
    with the conference phone speaker, or the speakers in the big screen
    TV next to you.
    Everybody looks around the room with that "OK, who's the guy with the
    AT&T phone in here?" look
    But it's good to have so many of those GSM (iPhone?) users around, so
    everyone can suspect them

    I thought keeping my phone on silent/vibrate would suffice.
    I guess I'll have to turn the phone off.

    How did these cell phone protocol guys get FCC clearance to deploy
    these "noisy" devices?

  • 11-17-2008, 03:57 PM
    Jeffrey Kaplan
    Previously on alt.cellular.attws, TE said:

    > > > > When my Samsung SGH-i617 Blackjack II phone (AT&T) switches from 3G
    > > > > to EVDO mode, it causes interference on nearby speakers.
    > > > Your phone switches from GSM to CDMA?

    > > Syntax error, probably. *I assume he meant switching from GSM to 3G.

    >
    > Thanks.
    > I meant EDGE (an enhanced GSM mode?), not EVDO.
    > My phone switches from "3G" to "E" and back, but almost never goes all
    > the way down to "G" (GSM).


    It's an artifact of GSM, it's normal. Annoying, but normal. I've
    heard from others that GSM 3G does not do the speaker chatter thing. No
    3G where I live yet, so I have no first-hand knowledge.

    "EDGE" is essentially GSM 2.5G.

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
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    dungeon provide an appropriate atmosphere, they tend to provide
    valuable information once placated.
  • 11-17-2008, 12:22 PM
    TE
    On Nov 17, 9:04*am, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
    > At 17 Nov 2008 11:47:53 -0500 Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
    >
    > > > When my Samsung SGH-i617 Blackjack II phone (AT&T) switches from 3G
    > > > to EVDO mode, it causes interference on nearby speakers.

    >
    > > Your phone switches from GSM to CDMA?

    >
    > Syntax error, probably. *I assume he meant switching from GSM to 3G.


    Thanks.
    I meant EDGE (an enhanced GSM mode?), not EVDO.
    My phone switches from "3G" to "E" and back, but almost never goes all
    the way down to "G" (GSM).
  • 11-17-2008, 11:04 AM
    Todd Allcock
    At 17 Nov 2008 11:47:53 -0500 Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

    > > When my Samsung SGH-i617 Blackjack II phone (AT&T) switches from 3G
    > > to EVDO mode, it causes interference on nearby speakers.

    >
    > Your phone switches from GSM to CDMA?



    Syntax error, probably. I assume he meant switching from GSM to 3G.

    All of my GSM handsets create interference that causes "chatter" on nearby
    speakers (regardless of what mode they're in) when they communicate with a
    tower. I can tell I'm about to receive a call when working at my desktop
    PC because the speakers start chattering like crazy right before the phone
    rings!


  • 11-17-2008, 10:47 AM
    Jeffrey Kaplan
    Previously on alt.cellular.attws, TE said:

    > When my Samsung SGH-i617 Blackjack II phone (AT&T) switches from 3G
    > to EVDO mode, it causes interference on nearby speakers.


    Your phone switches from GSM to CDMA?

    --
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    pink is +definitely+ your color." (Mr. Garibaldi to G'Kar, B5 "The
    Parliament of Dreams")
  • 11-17-2008, 08:16 AM
    TE
    When my Samsung SGH-i617 Blackjack II phone (AT&T) switches from 3G
    to EVDO mode, it causes interference on nearby speakers.
    What is it about the EVDO mode that makes it interfere with radios &
    speakers that
    the G3 mode doesn't?
    Does the iPhone do this when it switches out of 3G modes too?
    (My previous Samsung X426 was always causing this kind of
    interference, but that
    was an old dual-band phone)


    I also notice that my 3G phone switches from 3G to EVDO every weekday
    around 6pm for
    a short while, then switches back to G3.
    What's going on around 6pm that causes this to happen?

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