yeah good luck to you too. salaam.

lol, well we aren't getting anywhere arguing back and forth. You don't like the industry, I do, ah well Good luck with your phone none-the-less tho.

Originally Posted by _Abom_

Yes, you must sign a 2 year in order to get a hardware upgrade. Again, you should have understood what you were getting into before signing up the first time.

Alrighty, I stand corrected, a bit over 30 million.

Using your theory then, if a bunch of Ford employees said not to buy a Ford, or a bunch of Wal-Mart emplyees said not to shop at Wal-Mart, does that stop anyone from doing so ? There's even an anti-Wal-Mart DVD out there ! And guess what, more people shop at Wal-Mart than ever before. Using the idea that some employees don't like the company they work for, does not mean the company is bad.

Actually, you asked a question, I answered it, you responded, I responded, then you responded with a 4 word post. "**** i hate bell" I was trying to be helpful and answer your questions and give you a hand. What thanks did I get ? **** the company you work for ?

I have never said "we're smart, you're stupid". And I was explaining why prices for picture messaging are the way they are, because Bell chooses to move ahead in the wireless industry, and it requires money to do so. And yes, perhaps you were misinformed about the hardware upgrade policies, again, I'm not attacking you, I'm simply saying that you seem to not understand how it works.

And like you said, all Canadian cell phone providers suck.

so we agree now. very good.

Originally Posted by emcee paradigm

uh, yeah i did re-sign (because that was the easiest thing to do at the time) and i DID NOT get a hardware upgrade. like i said before you have to go on a two year agreement to get only $150. i went on a one year agreement (basically to find a better agreement this year) and i didn't get anything for being with bell for two years. and you're wrong, not all cell phone providers operate this way. other cell phone providers (like fido) don't do that, you can use your credit to get another phone while you are still in your original two years.

and just getting back to facts, canada is over 30 million.

i don't get your point? obviously i'm using the fact that most bell workers say not to get invovled with bell. why bring up ford or wal-mart? that has nothing to do with this. the fact of the matter is people all over canada (vancouver, montreal, and toronto) who work for bell don't support that company's way of business. even when i go to bell stores in the mall here in richmond, the people who i don't know heed my purchases.

the worst thing that can happen to you in business is having an angry customer who knows a lot of people. anyone in business knows this, it's just that bell wants to ignore this.

the way YOU (a bell employee) respond to ME (a bell customer) shows everyone exactly why bell is so bad. instead of helping a normally nice customer, you turn him into an angry customer by telling him how you guys are so great and my problems are my fault. how is that customer service??? tell me??? you just keep saying offtopic things like "but we have a fast netowrk, you're misinformed, we're smart, you're stupid, blah blah blah."

Yes, you must sign a 2 year in order to get a hardware upgrade. Again, you should have understood what you were getting into before signing up the first time.

Alrighty, I stand corrected, a bit over 30 million.

Using your theory then, if a bunch of Ford employees said not to buy a Ford, or a bunch of Wal-Mart emplyees said not to shop at Wal-Mart, does that stop anyone from doing so ? There's even an anti-Wal-Mart DVD out there ! And guess what, more people shop at Wal-Mart than ever before. Using the idea that some employees don't like the company they work for, does not mean the company is bad.

Actually, you asked a question, I answered it, you responded, I responded, then you responded with a 4 word post. "**** i hate bell" I was trying to be helpful and answer your questions and give you a hand. What thanks did I get ? **** the company you work for ?

I have never said "we're smart, you're stupid". And I was explaining why prices for picture messaging are the way they are, because Bell chooses to move ahead in the wireless industry, and it requires money to do so. And yes, perhaps you were misinformed about the hardware upgrade policies, again, I'm not attacking you, I'm simply saying that you seem to not understand how it works.

And like you said, all Canadian cell phone providers suck.

Originally Posted by _Abom_

Yes. Bell's network is CDMA. As is Telus. Fido and Rogers are GSM, which means that yes, you can buy an unlocked phone and put your SIM card in it. I would recommend learning about the different technologies before assuimg it's just because it's Bell that you can't get an unlocked phone. Oh, and CDMA has much more coverage than GSM, in Canada anyways.

Ummmm, yes, that's the point. You re-sign on again to get a discount on the phones. Did you think that after your 2 years was up they'd just hand off another discounted phone without you signing up again? And just so you know, all cell phone companies operate this way for hardware upgrades. You have to re-sign again.

Canadian cell phone providers, and I'm commenting on them all, are actually very competitive. In Europe, you pay twice as much, and still have no bundled minutes. Sure, the United States has cheaper plans. But also remember that they have a 300 million population that they can provide to. Canada has under 30 million.

Curious, if you did indeed like Bell Mobility, would you still admit that all the "people you know" hate Bell ? Seems like you only use this to further support your claim that Bell is no good. However, I will say it is possible. Afterall, does every who works at Ford like Ford ? Does everyone who works at Wal-Mart like Wal-Mart ?

Then might I suggest trying another provider ? But then again, you said all cell phone providers in Canada are ****ty, so I suppose you're stuck with our lame Canadian wireless eh ?

uh, yeah i did re-sign (because that was the easiest thing to do at the time) and i DID NOT get a hardware upgrade. like i said before you have to go on a two year agreement to get only $150. i went on a one year agreement (basically to find a better agreement this year) and i didn't get anything for being with bell for two years. and you're wrong, not all cell phone providers operate this way. other cell phone providers (like fido) don't do that, you can use your credit to get another phone while you are still in your original two years.

and just getting back to facts, canada is over 30 million.

i don't get your point? obviously i'm using the fact that most bell workers say not to get invovled with bell. why bring up ford or wal-mart? that has nothing to do with this. the fact of the matter is people all over canada (vancouver, montreal, and toronto) who work for bell don't support that company's way of business. even when i go to bell stores in the mall here in richmond, the people who i don't know heed my purchases.

the worst thing that can happen to you in business is having an angry customer who knows a lot of people. anyone in business knows this, it's just that bell wants to ignore this.

the way YOU (a bell employee) respond to ME (a bell customer) shows everyone exactly why bell is so bad. instead of helping a normally nice customer, you turn him into an angry customer by telling him how you guys are so great and my problems are my fault. how is that customer service??? tell me??? you just keep saying offtopic things like "but we have a fast netowrk, you're misinformed, we're smart, you're stupid, blah blah blah."

Originally Posted by emcee paradigm

if i was with another company i could buy an unlocked phone or get it unlocked but you can't do that with sorry ass bell, so you're wrong. many people do this.

and i've already done 24 months and i did not get a hardware upgrade! you have to sign up for another 2 years to get only 150 towards one of their phones.

and the contract i signed was so ****ty and sloppy. i see that they have more detailed contracts now, prolly cause i *****ed them out before for misleading me the first, second, third, forth, and fifth time around.

you're finally on point with something; i don't like canadian phone providers. they're ****.

i know many people who work for bell, a bunch here in van, one dude in montreal and one dude in toronto. all of them tell me the same ****. bell is ****ty, go somewhere else. that's my advice to anyone getting a phone.

i wouldn't ming paying more for a better phone or better service. i'm payin more for ****ty phones and ****ty service. it's crazy.

Yes. Bell's network is CDMA. As is Telus. Fido and Rogers are GSM, which means that yes, you can buy an unlocked phone and put your SIM card in it. I would recommend learning about the different technologies before assuimg it's just because it's Bell that you can't get an unlocked phone. Oh, and CDMA has much more coverage than GSM, in Canada anyways.

Ummmm, yes, that's the point. You re-sign on again to get a discount on the phones. Did you think that after your 2 years was up they'd just hand off another discounted phone without you signing up again? And just so you know, all cell phone companies operate this way for hardware upgrades. You have to re-sign again.

Canadian cell phone providers, and I'm commenting on them all, are actually very competitive. In Europe, you pay twice as much, and still have no bundled minutes. Sure, the United States has cheaper plans. But also remember that they have a 300 million population that they can provide to. Canada has under 30 million.

Curious, if you did indeed like Bell Mobility, would you still admit that all the "people you know" hate Bell ? Seems like you only use this to further support your claim that Bell is no good. However, I will say it is possible. Afterall, does every who works at Ford like Ford ? Does everyone who works at Wal-Mart like Wal-Mart ?

Then might I suggest trying another provider ? But then again, you said all cell phone providers in Canada are ****ty, so I suppose you're stuck with our lame Canadian wireless eh ?

Originally Posted by _Abom_

Every company in Canada charges SAF fees. Bell is now INCLUDING them in their plans.

If you used Telus, why can you only use a Telus phone ? Because phones are locked to providers, that's how it works.

Hardware Upgrade is after 24 months on most plans. That's how it works. That's what was on the contact that you signed.

I don't know your plan, so I can't comment.

Obviously you do not like Canadian cell phone providers. Might I suggest moving to Mexico ?

I work with many people who work for Bell. I call our dealer support lines all day long. Yes, there are people who do not like working for Bell. However, there are also a lot of people who do like working for Bell. I take pride in working for Bell because I am able to provide excellent service to my customers. Many customers do not understand cell phones and cell phone technology, and I take pride in being able to help them understand it so that they themselves can understand what they are paying for and what they are getting.

If anyone could have a "semi-fast" network (EV-DO is 500 KBps to 700 KBps, not really "semi" in my opinion), then why is Bell the first and only ?

if i was with another company i could buy an unlocked phone or get it unlocked but you can't do that with sorry ass bell, so you're wrong. many people do this.

and i've already done 24 months and i did not get a hardware upgrade! you have to sign up for another 2 years to get only 150 towards one of their phones.

and the contract i signed was so ****ty and sloppy. i see that they have more detailed contracts now, prolly cause i *****ed them out before for misleading me the first, second, third, forth, and fifth time around.

you're finally on point with something; i don't like canadian phone providers. they're ****.

i know many people who work for bell, a bunch here in van, one dude in montreal and one dude in toronto. all of them tell me the same ****. bell is ****ty, go somewhere else. that's my advice to anyone getting a phone.

i wouldn't ming paying more for a better phone or better service. i'm payin more for ****ty phones and ****ty service. it's crazy.

Originally Posted by emcee paradigm

why do i have to pay so much for things that i download for ringtones? why does the first ringtone cost more to download than the rest? am i warming up their network??? tell me?!?!?!

why do they still charge a system access fee when there is no such ****in thing???

why can i only use the gay ass bell phones when i could buy a much better phone for cheaper???

why did i not get a hardware upgrade after 2 ****in years of hell?

why is my plan so expensive still when they say they're giving me the best they can???

why do canadian phone providers charge so much??? i know why. cause they can and no one's doin **** about it.

and most importantly, why are you backin up bell???

everyone i know who works for bell says they cheat people the worst but make themselves look the best.

oh yeah, do you think i grive a **** if they are movin forward??? anyone could have a semi fast network if they treated their customers like ****.

Every company in Canada charges SAF fees. Bell is now INCLUDING them in their plans.

If you used Telus, why can you only use a Telus phone ? Because phones are locked to providers, that's how it works.

Hardware Upgrade is after 24 months on most plans. That's how it works. That's what was on the contact that you signed.

I don't know your plan, so I can't comment.

Obviously you do not like Canadian cell phone providers. Might I suggest moving to Mexico ?

I work with many people who work for Bell. I call our dealer support lines all day long. Yes, there are people who do not like working for Bell. However, there are also a lot of people who do like working for Bell. I take pride in working for Bell because I am able to provide excellent service to my customers. Many customers do not understand cell phones and cell phone technology, and I take pride in being able to help them understand it so that they themselves can understand what they are paying for and what they are getting.

If anyone could have a "semi-fast" network (EV-DO is 500 KBps to 700 KBps, not really "semi" in my opinion), then why is Bell the first and only ?

oh **** you too then. i've hated bell long before you were working for them. i've hated bell long before i had this problem. i've hated bell since the free six months of my original plan was over.

bell has by far the worst customer service i've ever seen from any company. their bills they sent, which i just opened 30 seconds ago and every other ****in bill i've got from them, is not worth the paper they're printed on. they say detail billing but the **** makes no sense what so ever.

in the stores, they don't give you any proper information. they mislead you when you call them also. they tell you all the good **** and leave out the important ****. they overcharge for just about everything.

why do i have to pay so much for things that i download for ringtones? why does the first ringtone cost more to download than the rest? am i warming up their network??? tell me?!?!?!

why do they still charge a system access fee when there is no such ****in thing???

why can i only use the gay ass bell phones when i could buy a much better phone for cheaper???

why did i not get a hardware upgrade after 2 ****in years of hell?

why is my plan so expensive still when they say they're giving me the best they can???

why do canadian phone providers charge so much??? i know why. cause they can and no one's doin **** about it.

and most importantly, why are you backin up bell???

everyone i know who works for bell says they cheat people the worst but make themselves look the best.

oh yeah, do you think i grive a **** if they are movin forward??? anyone could have a semi fast network if they treated their customers like ****.

Originally Posted by emcee paradigm

**** i hate bell.

Why ? Because you have to pay for services ? Does your local TV provider give you a free movie channel because you think you're paying too much already ? Does the local used car dealership fix your timing belt because it broke 2 weeks after you bought a $15 000 used car ?

Bell Mobility has the most advanced, high-speed network in Canada. How do you think they paid for it ? Sure, you pay for services with Bell, but at least Bell is moving forward with their network, unlike some other service providers.

It's a shame that people like yourself don't see the reason why services cost money. The cell phone industry is a profit industry. Just like any other business, Bell is trying to make money on it, just like Telus, Rogers, Fido, Ice, etc. And while all the other companies haven't even looked into going high-speed wireless, Bell has already invested in it, using the money that they have collected from customers like yourself.

I suppose if you don't like network upgrades, more towers, faster data speeds, it could be free. But, when the network gets overwhelmed, you can't process calls, there aren't enough towers and the data rates are super slow, who will you blame then ?

**** i hate bell.

Originally Posted by emcee paradigm

i'm with bell.

so you're sayin the only way to get data on and off my phone is through e-mail. what's the point of a data cable then.

Alright. So to get data OFF your phone, you could use Bitpic or a similar program, at your own risk of course.

As for getting data ON the phone, no way to do so.

And the point of a data cable ? Backup your phone book and contact history. Basically, that's it. Bell wants you to use their 1X / EV-DO network, because it makes them money. If you do everything with a data cable, that doesn't net them a penny, and they'd never make any profit and we'd never see any improvement to the network.

i'm with bell.

so you're sayin the only way to get data on and off my phone is through e-mail. what's the point of a data cable then.

Who do you have your service through ?

As far as a data cable, yes, there is software, Bitpic I belive it's called ? where you can download pictures off of your phone to a computer through a data cable.

The "official" word is: the only way to get pictures off a phone is to send them from the phone to an e-mail address through the 1X network

Basically, if you screw up your phone's software, it won't be covered under warranty, so use it at your own risk.

That said, there are ways to get the pictures off. Do a google search

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