On Sun, 29 May 2011 08:21:21 -0700, jcdill <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 29/05/11 5:17 AM, George wrote:
>
>>> Plenty of businesses manage to stay a going concern without wifi of
>>> any kind.
>>> Most of them, in fact.
>>
>> That is the case with businesses I know about. And with the exception of
>> SMS I have never heard anyone mention : "Oooh, I am going there because
>> of free WiFi" or "Oooh, I am not going there because they don't have
>> free WiFi"
>
>FWIW, it's a consideration for me when I'm taking my car in for minor
>service (e.g. new tires, rotating the tires, oil change). I'm going to
>spend an hour sitting in their waiting area, I want free wifi so I can
>use my laptop. Around here, there are enough places that DO have free
>wifi that I don't waste my time and money on the others.

In my area, very few places have WiFi, free or otherwise, so it's not
even the tiniest consideration for me. I simply go where the service
is best or the food is best, as two examples.

I live in a small suburb of about 96,000 people, part of a greater
metro area of about 4 million people, but this is about as far as you
can get from either coast, so that probably explains the lack of WiFi.

--
Paul Miner

On 29/05/11 5:17 AM, George wrote:

>> Plenty of businesses manage to stay a going concern without wifi of
>> any kind.
>> Most of them, in fact.
>
> That is the case with businesses I know about. And with the exception of
> SMS I have never heard anyone mention : "Oooh, I am going there because
> of free WiFi" or "Oooh, I am not going there because they don't have
> free WiFi"

FWIW, it's a consideration for me when I'm taking my car in for minor
service (e.g. new tires, rotating the tires, oil change). I'm going to
spend an hour sitting in their waiting area, I want free wifi so I can
use my laptop. Around here, there are enough places that DO have free
wifi that I don't waste my time and money on the others.

jc

On 5/28/2011 7:36 PM, Justin wrote:
> SMS wrote on [Sat, 28 May 2011 16:18:36 -0700]:
>> On 5/28/2011 4:02 PM, tlvp wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 May 2011 22:27:43 -0400, Larry Mobile<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> SMS<[email protected]> wrote in news:4dd431fe$0$1934
>>>> [email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> and the wi-fi is very fast.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Our local Perkin's Pancake Houses here in N Charleston just dumped
>>>> expensive Waypoint when one of the Knology Cable salesmen offered the
>>>> local
>>>> owner a better deal all around. Now, Perkin's is the fastest free wifi in
>>>> town, 12Mbps down, 3Mbps up! There's no login page nonsense to slow
>>>> anyone
>>>> down. We have quite a group of "campers" spending hundreds per month
>>>> there, now.
>>>>
>>>> LTE? Why??
>>>
>>> 'Cuz it costs hundreds per month *less* than "hundreds per month", maybe?
>>>
>>> Cheers, -- tlvp
>>
>> Presumably that group of people is going to eat somewhere, rather than
>> cook at home. Wi-Fi is a requirement for many meet-ups. A place with no
>> Wi-Fi or slow Wi-Fi is writing off a lot of business. If an
>> establishment always has a line out the door anyway and doesn't need
>> people coming in and spending a couple of hours in the restaurant, then
>> there's no need to add services that bring in more customers, but often
>> that's not the case.
>
> Plenty of businesses manage to stay a going concern without wifi of any kind.
> Most of them, in fact.

That is the case with businesses I know about. And with the exception of
SMS I have never heard anyone mention : "Oooh, I am going there because
of free WiFi" or "Oooh, I am not going there because they don't have
free WiFi"

SMS wrote on [Sat, 28 May 2011 16:18:36 -0700]:
> On 5/28/2011 4:02 PM, tlvp wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 May 2011 22:27:43 -0400, Larry Mobile <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:4dd431fe$0$1934
>>> [email protected]:
>>>
>>>> and the wi-fi is very fast.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Our local Perkin's Pancake Houses here in N Charleston just dumped
>>> expensive Waypoint when one of the Knology Cable salesmen offered the
>>> local
>>> owner a better deal all around. Now, Perkin's is the fastest free wifi in
>>> town, 12Mbps down, 3Mbps up! There's no login page nonsense to slow
>>> anyone
>>> down. We have quite a group of "campers" spending hundreds per month
>>> there, now.
>>>
>>> LTE? Why??
>>
>> 'Cuz it costs hundreds per month *less* than "hundreds per month", maybe?
>>
>> Cheers, -- tlvp
>
> Presumably that group of people is going to eat somewhere, rather than
> cook at home. Wi-Fi is a requirement for many meet-ups. A place with no
> Wi-Fi or slow Wi-Fi is writing off a lot of business. If an
> establishment always has a line out the door anyway and doesn't need
> people coming in and spending a couple of hours in the restaurant, then
> there's no need to add services that bring in more customers, but often
> that's not the case.

Plenty of businesses manage to stay a going concern without wifi of any kind.
Most of them, in fact.

On 5/28/2011 4:02 PM, tlvp wrote:
> On Sat, 21 May 2011 22:27:43 -0400, Larry Mobile <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:4dd431fe$0$1934
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> and the wi-fi is very fast.
>>>
>>
>> Our local Perkin's Pancake Houses here in N Charleston just dumped
>> expensive Waypoint when one of the Knology Cable salesmen offered the
>> local
>> owner a better deal all around. Now, Perkin's is the fastest free wifi in
>> town, 12Mbps down, 3Mbps up! There's no login page nonsense to slow
>> anyone
>> down. We have quite a group of "campers" spending hundreds per month
>> there, now.
>>
>> LTE? Why??
>
> 'Cuz it costs hundreds per month *less* than "hundreds per month", maybe?
>
> Cheers, -- tlvp

Presumably that group of people is going to eat somewhere, rather than
cook at home. Wi-Fi is a requirement for many meet-ups. A place with no
Wi-Fi or slow Wi-Fi is writing off a lot of business. If an
establishment always has a line out the door anyway and doesn't need
people coming in and spending a couple of hours in the restaurant, then
there's no need to add services that bring in more customers, but often
that's not the case.

On Sat, 21 May 2011 22:27:43 -0400, Larry Mobile <[email protected]> wrote:

> SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:4dd431fe$0$1934
> [email protected]:
>
>> and the wi-fi is very fast.
>>
>
> Our local Perkin's Pancake Houses here in N Charleston just dumped
> expensive Waypoint when one of the Knology Cable salesmen offered the local
> owner a better deal all around. Now, Perkin's is the fastest free wifi in
> town, 12Mbps down, 3Mbps up! There's no login page nonsense to slow anyone
> down. We have quite a group of "campers" spending hundreds per month
> there, now.
>
> LTE? Why??

'Cuz it costs hundreds per month *less* than "hundreds per month", maybe?

Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP

On 5/22/2011 10:28 PM, SMS wrote:
> On 5/22/2011 9:53 PM, Travis James wrote:
>
>> No. Just the one that SMS mentioned as it was put up to make a point.
>> What's the big deal?
>
> You're right. No big deal. Here it is:
> <http://www.sunnyvaleartgallery.com/cafe.html>
> <http://www.yelp.com/biz/sunnyvale-art-gallery-cafe-sunnyvale>
>
> Personally I had no idea what this place was until I went to a
> Toastmasters that meets there.

Thanks. I'll give them some business when I'm around that area.

"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 5/22/2011 2:45 AM, Travis James wrote:
>> On 5/21/11 10:48 AM, jcdill wrote:
>>> On 21/05/11 10:38 AM, SMS wrote:
>>>> On 5/21/2011 10:17 AM, jcdill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You haven't sent me the info yet. What's the hold up? Some reason you
>>>>> can't email it to me?
>>>>
>>>> It was sent on 5/19/2011 at 6:27 p.m. to [email protected].
>>>
>>> Because you sent a link with no other info, it was caught by gmail's
>>> spam filter.
>>>
>>> For those who are curious, it's a legitimate cafe serving coffee, tea,
>>> breakfast/lunch/dinner sandwiches and pastries, and located in the SF
>>> Bay Area. I plan on stopping by the next time I'm in that city.
>>>
>>> jc
>>>
>> Yet for some reason there is some taboo about sharing the cafe's name
>> here. Why is that?
>
> You have to follow along...
>
> SMS insisted that WiFi is ubiquitous and that he is so smart no one should
> even question his pronouncements So if WiFi is ubiquitous why is SMS
> touting that the restaurant that can't be named _advertises_ it?
>
> Isn't that a lot like a restaurant _advertising_ that they have electric
> lights over each table or running water in the bathroom?

Given a choice, I think that I would favor a restaurant with running water
in the bathroom.

On 5/22/2011 9:53 PM, Travis James wrote:

> No. Just the one that SMS mentioned as it was put up to make a point.
> What's the big deal?

You're right. No big deal. Here it is:
<http://www.sunnyvaleartgallery.com/cafe.html>
<http://www.yelp.com/biz/sunnyvale-art-gallery-cafe-sunnyvale>

Personally I had no idea what this place was until I went to a
Toastmasters that meets there.

On 5/22/11 6:21 AM, jcdill wrote:
> On 21/05/11 11:45 PM, Travis James wrote:
>
>> Yet for some reason there is some taboo about sharing the cafe's name
>> here. Why is that?
>
> I haven't been to the cafe yet, so I can't confirm what they put on
> their website. I want to visit first.
>
> However, it's really not unusual to have a cafe of this type in the SF
> Bay Area welcome groups to hold meetings at their cafe, and to offer
> free wifi. There's a restaurant/Peets combined location next to an
> office park that has 2 very large wooden tables, when I was in there ~2
> weeks ago there was a business meeting being held on one of them.
> There's a coffee shop in San Jose that has week-night meetings held
> almost every night of the week, musician open-mike, the local furry
> group, etc. Do I need to identify all of them for you?

No. Just the one that SMS mentioned as it was put up to make a point.
What's the big deal? There aren't armies of people roaming around
looking for wifi to camp upon. If, for example, it were Coffee Society
by De Anza College in Cupertino, an example of a place where such a
thing might occur, I'd just say Coffee Society.

Funny.

On 5/22/2011 8:59 AM, Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> On 5/22/2011 2:45 AM, Travis James wrote:
>> On 5/21/11 10:48 AM, jcdill wrote:
>>> On 21/05/11 10:38 AM, SMS wrote:
>>>> On 5/21/2011 10:17 AM, jcdill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You haven't sent me the info yet. What's the hold up? Some reason you
>>>>> can't email it to me?
>>>>
>>>> It was sent on 5/19/2011 at 6:27 p.m. to [email protected].
>>>
>>> Because you sent a link with no other info, it was caught by gmail's
>>> spam filter.
>>>
>>> For those who are curious, it's a legitimate cafe serving coffee, tea,
>>> breakfast/lunch/dinner sandwiches and pastries, and located in the SF
>>> Bay Area. I plan on stopping by the next time I'm in that city.
>>>
>>> jc
>>>
>> Yet for some reason there is some taboo about sharing the cafe's name
>> here. Why is that?
>
> Perhaps someone is afraid that a few thousand people looking for "free"
> WiFi will spoil the experience!

But he claims WiFI is ubiquitous. Why would anyone even care about the
restaurant name that _advertises_ WiFI that can't be mentioned?

On 5/22/2011 2:45 AM, Travis James wrote:
> On 5/21/11 10:48 AM, jcdill wrote:
>> On 21/05/11 10:38 AM, SMS wrote:
>>> On 5/21/2011 10:17 AM, jcdill wrote:
>>>
>>>> You haven't sent me the info yet. What's the hold up? Some reason you
>>>> can't email it to me?
>>>
>>> It was sent on 5/19/2011 at 6:27 p.m. to [email protected].
>>
>> Because you sent a link with no other info, it was caught by gmail's
>> spam filter.
>>
>> For those who are curious, it's a legitimate cafe serving coffee, tea,
>> breakfast/lunch/dinner sandwiches and pastries, and located in the SF
>> Bay Area. I plan on stopping by the next time I'm in that city.
>>
>> jc
>>
> Yet for some reason there is some taboo about sharing the cafe's name
> here. Why is that?

You have to follow along...

SMS insisted that WiFi is ubiquitous and that he is so smart no one
should even question his pronouncements So if WiFi is ubiquitous why is
SMS touting that the restaurant that can't be named _advertises_ it?

Isn't that a lot like a restaurant _advertising_ that they have electric
lights over each table or running water in the bathroom?

On 21/05/11 11:45 PM, Travis James wrote:

> Yet for some reason there is some taboo about sharing the cafe's name
> here. Why is that?

I haven't been to the cafe yet, so I can't confirm what they put on
their website. I want to visit first.

However, it's really not unusual to have a cafe of this type in the SF
Bay Area welcome groups to hold meetings at their cafe, and to offer
free wifi. There's a restaurant/Peets combined location next to an
office park that has 2 very large wooden tables, when I was in there ~2
weeks ago there was a business meeting being held on one of them.
There's a coffee shop in San Jose that has week-night meetings held
almost every night of the week, musician open-mike, the local furry
group, etc. Do I need to identify all of them for you?

jc

On 5/22/2011 2:45 AM, Travis James wrote:
> On 5/21/11 10:48 AM, jcdill wrote:
>> On 21/05/11 10:38 AM, SMS wrote:
>>> On 5/21/2011 10:17 AM, jcdill wrote:
>>>
>>>> You haven't sent me the info yet. What's the hold up? Some reason you
>>>> can't email it to me?
>>>
>>> It was sent on 5/19/2011 at 6:27 p.m. to [email protected].
>>
>> Because you sent a link with no other info, it was caught by gmail's
>> spam filter.
>>
>> For those who are curious, it's a legitimate cafe serving coffee, tea,
>> breakfast/lunch/dinner sandwiches and pastries, and located in the SF
>> Bay Area. I plan on stopping by the next time I'm in that city.
>>
>> jc
>>
> Yet for some reason there is some taboo about sharing the cafe's name
> here. Why is that?

Perhaps someone is afraid that a few thousand people looking for "free"
WiFi will spoil the experience!

On 5/21/11 10:48 AM, jcdill wrote:
> On 21/05/11 10:38 AM, SMS wrote:
>> On 5/21/2011 10:17 AM, jcdill wrote:
>>
>>> You haven't sent me the info yet. What's the hold up? Some reason you
>>> can't email it to me?
>>
>> It was sent on 5/19/2011 at 6:27 p.m. to [email protected].
>
> Because you sent a link with no other info, it was caught by gmail's
> spam filter.
>
> For those who are curious, it's a legitimate cafe serving coffee, tea,
> breakfast/lunch/dinner sandwiches and pastries, and located in the SF
> Bay Area. I plan on stopping by the next time I'm in that city.
>
> jc
>
Yet for some reason there is some taboo about sharing the cafe's name
here. Why is that?