alt.cellular.attws???

Hell and High Water wrote:
> I thought alt.cellular.cingular was going away, to be replaced by
> alt.cellular.attws.

It takes time. It took months for alt.cellular.gsm.carriers.voicestream
to wither.

For the time being, it's best to post to both groups.

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Kevin K wrote:

> Shouldn't a new alt.cellular.att be created? I haven't seen yet that
> they plan to call themself ATT Wireless, though maybe I missed that
> press release.

Technically, the alt.cellular.attws group was for AT&T Wireless, while
the old Cingular will be marketed as "wireless service from AT&T
(according to AT&T).

So maybe there should be a group alt.cellular.wsatt, but in reality
alt.cellular.attws is a better name. I don't think that anyone could get
a vote through to create alt.cellular.att or alt.cellular.wsatt.

Look at how upset the chief Cingular shill was about the creation of
alt.cellular.t-mobile, which was a logical creation given the old group
of alt.cellular.gsm.carriers.voicestream. Of course the reason he fought
it was because he didn't want the alt.cellular.cingular group to suffer
the same fate as the alt.cellular.gsm.carriers.voicestream group.

Mr Navas has done a very good job as the leader of the cingular and attws
newsgroups. Why would anyone want ot believe that they need to create a new
group? Mr Navas has both of these groups well under control and I am sure
that he knew of the name change many months in advance. Everyone should be
able to understand why it is and was appropriate for Mr Navas to post the
charter to both of these newsgroups.

Andy S wrote:

> The charter is NOT enforced.
> If it were, there's be no spam, no cross posts, etc.
> As it is, the "charter" has not been posted in the last two months.

Still, I think that most posters to abide by the charter, even if they
aren't aware that it even exists. It's mostly just good manners.
Ironically, Navas is one of the worst violators of newsgroup charters,
both in alt.cellular.cingular and in other newsgroups.

I went back to the beginning of the alt.cellular.attws group, and could
never find a charter posted. If it existed, the creator of the
alt.cellular.attws group was pretty mellow, and not so full of himself.

As to why Navas posts the alt.cellular.cingular charter into the
alt.cellular.attws newsgroup, I would guess that it's just to annoy
people that haven't kill-filed him. The charter certainly doesn't apply
to any other group than the one it was written for.

In alt.cellular.cingular John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>the same fate as the alt.cellular.gsm.carriers.voicestream group.
>
> More nonsense. Grow up.
>

You never made the reasons for you opposition clear John. It appeared to be
based on some inner conviction on your part.

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In alt.cellular.cingular John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Indeed -- the rebranding is expected to take quite a while.
>

Even when the rebranding is complete, they will still forward www.cingular.com
over to whatever the new URL is.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse
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Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> In alt.cellular.cingular John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> the same fate as the alt.cellular.gsm.carriers.voicestream group.
>> More nonsense. Grow up.
>>
>
> You never made the reasons for you opposition clear John. It appeared to be
> based on some inner conviction on your part.

It was very strange. Not only was the old name unwieldy, with two more
levels of hierarchy than was necessary, it didn't match the carrier name
so newcomers would never find it.

The only explanation is that he was worried about the precedent of
creating new groups when a company changes names or is acquired by
another company and the existing name is eliminated. This would mean
that alt.cellular.cingular would fade away, and alt.cellular.attws would
take its place, and he had no role in creating the latter. This may
explain why he spams the alt.cellular.cingular charter into the
alt.cellular.attws group, despite numerous requests for him to stop
spamming. Some people just enjoy being obnoxious, and Navas is one of them.