iSpam - Your bandwidth at work...

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...tems-Delivers-
Advertising/story.aspx?guid={128539AA-41BA-460C-A174-357B03C9AB64}

These miserable bastards will be spamming your iPhones very soon.

What about the GB limits? Can we send Amobee Media Systems a bill at the
overage rate for wasting your limited bandwidth?

Bastards....Someone should be shot....

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At 18 Dec 2008 03:59:13 +0000 Larry wrote:
> http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...tems-Delivers-
> Advertising/story.aspx?guid={128539AA-41BA-460C-A174-357B03C9AB64}
>
> These miserable bastards will be spamming your iPhones very soon.
>
> What about the GB limits? Can we send Amobee Media Systems a bill at the
> overage rate for wasting your limited bandwidth?


For at least the umpteenth time, AT&T's iPhone data plan is unlimited.

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> At 18 Dec 2008 03:59:13 +0000 Larry wrote:
>> http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...tems-Delivers-
>> Advertising/story.aspx?guid={128539AA-41BA-460C-A174-357B03C9AB64}
>>
>> These miserable bastards will be spamming your iPhones very soon.
>>
>> What about the GB limits? Can we send Amobee Media Systems a bill at
>> the overage rate for wasting your limited bandwidth?
>
>
> For at least the umpteenth time, AT&T's iPhone data plan is unlimited.
>
>
>

Let's cut the CSR bull****. The company's TERMS are HERE:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...plan-terms.jsp

Please copy and paste the TERMS from the COMPANY's webpage here^^ the
exact text that says iPhones have UNLIMITED DATA downloads/uploads
without the 5GB limit. Paste it in a reply to this message so everyone
can see EXACTLY what it says, not what some kid in a tie said to you in
the ATT store.....

Now, if you follow along in the EXTENSIVE text, click down to the Iphone
data plan section. It says, and I'll quote the EXACT text for everyone
to see:

BEGINNING OF QUOTED TEXT-------------------------------------------
"iPhone Terms and Conditions:

There are no equipment or monthly service discounts available with the
purchase of an iPhone. International messages not included. Charges for
international messages sent from the U.S. are 20¢ for Text Messages and
50¢ for Picture/Video Messages. Additional charges for premium messages
and content apply. Messages over 300 KBs billed and additional
50¢/message.

Terms Applicable to iPhone Customers on AT&T Nation/FamilyTalk® GSM
Plans: Credit approval required. Subscriber must live and have a mailing
address within AT&T's owned network coverage area. An early termination
fee of $175 applies if service is terminated before the end of the
contract term. For service activated on or after May 25, 2008 the Early
Termination Fee will be reduced by $5.00 for each full month toward your
minimum term that you complete. If phone is returned within 3 days,
activation fee will be refunded. If phone is returned within 30 days in
like-new condition with all components, early termination fee will be
waived. All other charges apply. Some dealers impose additional fees.

Minute Increment Billing and Usage: Airtime and other measured usage are
billed in full-minute increments, and actual airtime and usage are
rounded up to the next full increment at the end of each call for
billing purposes. AT&T charges a full-minute increment of usage for
every fraction of the last minute used on each wireless call. Minutes
will be depleted according to usage in the following order: Night and
Weekend Minutes, Mobile to Mobile Minutes, Anytime Minutes and Rollover
Minutes. Calls placed on networks served by other carriers may take
longer to be processed, and billing for these calls may be delayed.
Those minutes will be applied against your Anytime monthly minutes in
the month in which the calls appear on your bill. Unanswered outgoing
calls of 30 seconds or longer incur airtime. You may obtain usage
information by calling customer service or using one of our automated
systems.

Pricing/Taxes/No Proration: Final month's charges are not prorated.
Prices are subject to change. Prices do not include taxes.

Activation Fees: $36 Activation Fee for each new line. $26 Activation
Fee applies on each additional FamilyTalk line.

Nights and Weekends: Nights are 9:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. Weekends are 9:00
p.m. Friday to 6:00 a.m. Monday (based on time of day at switch
providing your service). Included long distance calls can be made from
the 50 United States, Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands to the 50
United States, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam and Northern
Mariana Islands. Roaming charges do not apply when roaming within the
service area of land-based networks of the 50 United States, Puerto Rico
and U.S. Virgin Islands. International long distance rates vary.
Additional charges apply to services used outside the land borders of
the U.S., Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands.

Unlimited Voice Services: Unlimited voice services are provided solely
for live dialog between two individuals. Unlimited voice services may
not be used for conference calling, call forwarding, monitoring
services, data transmissions, transmission of broadcasts, transmission
of recorded material, or other connections which do not consist of
uninterrupted live dialog between two individuals. If AT&T finds that
you are using an unlimited voice service offering for other than live
dialog between two individuals, AT&T may, at its option, terminate your
service or change your plan to one with no unlimited usage components.
AT&T will provide notice that it intends to take any of the above
actions, and you may terminate the agreement.

International Roaming: Substantial charges may be incurred if phone is
taken out of the U.S. even if no services are intentionally used.
Receipt of Visual Voicemail messages when roaming internationally are
charged at international data pay per use rates unless customer has an
international iPhone plan, in which case receipt of Visual Voicemail
messages decrement Kilobytes included in the international plan. Data
Roaming toggle set to OFF will block data roaming outside the United
States, U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico with the exception of Guam
and Northern Mariana Islands.

Off-net Usage: If your minutes of use (including unlimited services) on
other carrier networks ('off-net usage') during any two consecutive
months exceed your off-net usage allowance, AT&T may, at its option,
terminate your service, deny your continued use of other carriers'
coverage, or change your plan to one imposing usage charges for off-net
usage. Your off-net usage allowance is equal to the lesser of 750
minutes or 40% of the Anytime Minutes included with your plan. AT&T will
provide notice it intends to take any of the above actions, and you may
terminate the agreement.

Caller ID Blocking: Your billing name may be displayed along with your
wireless number on outbound calls to other wireless and landline phones
with Caller ID capability. Contact customer service for information on
blocking the display of your name and number. You may be charged for
both an incoming and an outgoing call when incoming calls are routed to
voicemail, even if no message is left. See Wireless Service Agreement
for additional conditions and restrictions.

FamilyTalk: FamilyTalk requires a two-year service agreement for each
line. FamilyTalk plans include only package minutes included with the
primary number, and minutes are shared by the additional lines. The rate
shown for additional minutes applies to all minutes in excess of the
Antime Minutes. FamilyTalk requires two lines. If the rate plan for the
primary number is changed to an ineligible plan or the primary number is
disconnected, one of the existing additional lines shall become the
primary number on the rate plan previously subscribed to by the former
primary number; if only one line remains it shall be converted to the
closest single line rate.

Rollover Minutes: Rollover Minutes accumulate and expire through 12
rolling bill periods. Bill Period 1 (activation) unused Anytime Minutes
will not carry over. Bill Period 2 unused Anytime Minutes will begin to
carry over. Rollover Minutes accumulated starting with Bill Period 2
will expire each bill period as they reach a 12 bill period age.
Rollover Minutes will also expire immediately upon default or if
customer changes to a non-Rollover plan. If you change plans (including
the formation of a FamilyTalk plan), or if an existing subscriber joins
your existing FamilyTalk plan, any accumulated Rollover Minutes in
excess of your new plan or the primary FamilyTalk line's included
Anytime Minutes will expire. Rollover Minutes are not redeemable for
cash or credit and are not transferable.

Mobile to Mobile Minutes: Mobile to Mobile Minutes may be used, subject
to the above provisions governing unlimited usage, when directly dialing
or receiving calls from any other AT&T wireless phone number from within
your calling area. Mobile to Mobile Minutes may not be used for
interconnection to other networks. Calls to AT&T voicemail and return
calls from voicemail not included.

END OF QUOTED TEXT-----------------------------------------
EDITOR'S NOTE: HERE IT REFERS TO MEDIATERMS WEBPAGE:
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/me...t/media-legal-
notices.jsp
PLEASE REFER TO THAT WEBPAGE FOR FURTHER INFO BELOW...
RESUMPTION OF QUOTED TEXT----------------------------------

Terms Applicable to Features/Data Plans: For full details on messaging
and data usage see att.com/mediaterms. Certain features will not be
available in all areas at all times. See Roadside Assistance welcome
letter and/or brochures for full terms and conditions.

VoiceDial: See VoiceDial brochure for full details. No discounts
available on Unlimited calling plans.

Data Plans: An eligible data plan for iPhone is required. This data plan
covers data usage in the U.S. and does not cover international data
usage and charges. If it is determined that you are using iPhone without
an eligible data plan, AT&T reserves the right to add an eligible data
plan to your account and bill you the appropriate monthly fee. © 2008
AT&T Intellectual Property. All rights reserved. AT&T and the AT&T logo
are trademarks of AT&T Intellectual Property. Subsidiaries and
affiliates of AT&T Inc. provide products and services under the AT&T
brand. © 2008 Apple Inc. All rights reserved. Apple, the Apple logo,
iPod, iTunes, and Mac are trademarks of Apple Inc., registered in the
U.S. and other countries. iPhone, Multi-Touch and Safari are trademarks
of Apple Inc."

END OF QUOTED TEXT------------------------------------------------

I do not see a single word about iPhone having some special UNLIMITED
data plan anywhere is the above text or in the whole TERMS and
CONDITIONS legal document. Let's look further at the referred-to
webpage:
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/me...t/media-legal-
notices.jsp

Hmm....it says:

"Usage/Billing: Usage and monthly fees will be charged as specified in
your plan. DATA TRANSPORT IS BILLED IN FULL-KILOBYTE INCREMENTS, AND
ACTUAL TRANSPORT IS ROUNDED UP TO THE NEXT FULL-KILOBYTE INCREMENT AT
THE END OF EACH DATA SESSION FOR BILLING PURPOSES. AT&T CHARGES A FULL
KILOBYTE OF DATA TRANSPORT FOR EVERY FRACTION OF THE LAST KILOBYTE OF
DATA TRANSPORT USED ON EACH DATA SESSION. NETWORK OVERHEAD, SOFTWARE
UPDATE REQUESTS, AND RESEND REQUESTS CAUSED BY NETWORK ERRORS CAN
INCREASE MEASURED KILOBYTES. AIRTIME AND OTHER MEASURED USAGE ARE BILLED
IN FULL-MINUTE INCREMENTS AND ROUNDED UP TO THE NEXT FULL-MINUTE
INCREMENT AT THE END OF EACH CALL FOR BILLING PURPOSES. Data sent and
received includes, but is not limited to downloads, email, overhead and
software update checks. Unless designated for International or Canada
use, prices and included use apply to EDGE/GPRS and BroadbandConnect
access and use on AT&T's wireless network and its partner wireless
networks within the United States and its territories (Puerto Rico and
the U.S. Virgin Islands), excluding areas within the Gulf of Mexico.
Usage on networks not owned by AT&T is limited as provided in your data
plan. Charges will be based on the location of the site receiving and
transmitting service and not the location of the subscriber.
BroadBandConnect access requires a compatible, eligible 3G device.
Overage is billed by the kilobyte. Service charges paid in advance for
monthly or annual Services are nonrefundable. Some Services may require
an additional monthly subscription fee and/or be subject to additional
charges and restrictions. See applicable rate plan materials for
complete pricing and terms. Prices do not include taxes, directory
assistance, roaming, universal services fees or other exactions and are
subject to change. In order to assess your usage during an applicable
billing period, you may obtain approximate usage information by calling
customer service or using one of our automated systems."

Not a single word about "UNLIMITED" or about "iPhone" in the usage and
billing paragraph. Maybe it's in the PERMISSIBLE USES:

"Prohibited and Permissible Uses: Except as may otherwise be
specifically permitted or prohibited for select data plans, data
sessions may be conducted only for the following purposes: (i) Internet
browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to
corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications
like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service
automation). While most common uses for Intranet browsing, email and
intranet access are permitted by your data plan, there are certain uses
that cause extreme network capacity issues and interference with the
network and are therefore prohibited. Examples of prohibited uses
include, without limitation, the following: (i) server devices or host
computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts
or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine-to-machine
connections or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing; (ii) as a substitute or
backup for private lines, landlines or full-time or dedicated data
connections; (iii) "auto-responders," "cancel-bots," or similar
automated or manual routines which generate excessive amounts of net
traffic, or which disrupt net user groups or email use by others; (iv)
"spam" or unsolicited commercial or bulk email (or activities that have
the effect of facilitating unsolicited commercial email or unsolicited
bulk email); (v) any activity that adversely affects the ability of
other people or systems to use either AT&T's wireless services or other
parties' Internet-based resources, including "denial of service" (DoS)
attacks against another network host or individual user; (vi) accessing,
or attempting to access without authority, the accounts of others, or to
penetrate, or attempt to penetrate, security measures of AT&T's wireless
network or another entity's network or systems; (vii) software or other
devices that maintain continuous active Internet connections when a
computer's connection would otherwise be idle or any "keep alive"
functions, unless they adhere to AT&T's data retry requirements, which
may be changed from time to time. This means, by way of example only,
that checking email, surfing the Internet, downloading legally acquired
songs, and/or visiting corporate intranets is permitted, but downloading
movies using P2P file sharing services, redirecting television signals
for viewing on Personal Computers, web broadcasting, and/or for the
operation of servers, telemetry devices and/or Supervisory Control and
Data Acquisition devices is prohibited. Furthermore, plans(unless
specifically designated for tethering usage) cannot be used for any
applications that tether the device (through use of, including without
limitation, connection kits, other phone/PDA-to computer accessories,
Bluetooth® or any other wireless technology) to Personal Computers
(including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for any
purpose.
Accordingly, AT&T reserves the right to (i) deny, disconnect, modify
and/or terminate Service, without notice, to anyone it believes is using
the Service in any manner prohibited or whose usage adversely impacts
its wireless network or service levels or hinders access to its wireless
network, including without limitation, after a significant period of
inactivity or after sessions of excessive usage and (ii) otherwise
protect its wireless network from harm, compromised capacity or
degradation in performance, which may impact legitimate data flows. You
may not send solicitations to AT&T's wireless subscribers without their
consent. You may not use the Services other than as intended by AT&T
and applicable law. Plans are for individual, non-commercial use only
and are not for resale. AT&T may, but is not required to, monitor your
compliance, or the compliance of other subscribers, with AT&T's terms,
conditions, or policies."

No, no....I don't see anything about iPhone special UNLIMITED data or
even a mention of the damned thing as anything different than anyone, do
you? It's GOTTA be in there somewhere, right! This paragraph says it's
against the AUP to do ANYTHING except look at spam-soaked webpages,
email and, if you're a business, company intranet as long as company
intranet doesn't use any BANDWIDTH....the same old **** sellphone is
always against at all costs....unless you're paying by the KILOBYTE, of
course, then we have all the bandwidth you could ever want for any
purpose at those prices!

It says here:

"Changes to the terms and conditions: These terms and conditions may be
changed from time-to-time. AT&T will post the most current version of
these terms and conditions at att.com/MediaTerms or other appropriate
location. Please check these regularly to inform yourself about changes
to the terms and conditions."

.....that these are the latest modifications to the ATT data service
terms, the final word on everything from ATT's huge law firm.

Let's look down in the II. ADDITIONAL TERMS FOR SPECIFIC WIRELESS DATA
SERVICES section:

Not a single word about iPhone....NONE....NADA!! ATT doesn't even
consider it special enough to mention it!

It does talk about PDA, which iPhone would be considered:

"DATACONNECT PLANS
DataConnect plans may ONLY be used with AT&T-certified LaptopConnect (PC
Data) Cards and eligible AT&T-certified customer owned and maintained
(COAM) devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii)
email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate
intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer
relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). The
parties agree that AT&T has the right to impose additional charges if
you use more than 5 gigabytes in a month. Prior to the imposition of
any additional charges, AT&T shall provide you with notice and you shall
have the right to terminate your service.

PDA/BLACKBERRY PLANS
PDA/BlackBerry plans may ONLY be used with AT&T-certified RIM BlackBerry
devices, and PDAs for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing;
(ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate
intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer
relationship management, sales force, and field service automation).
Data Services sold for use with AT&T RIM BlackBerry devices, and PDAs
may not be used with other devices, including but not limited to,
Personal Computers, PC Data Cards and the like, either by tethering
devices together, by SIM card transfer or any other means."

Now, I BELIEVE this is the place where the bull**** comes to roost!
Make some notes so we don't have to keep going over this COMPANY
ENFORCEMENT DATA over and over......

The general statement for all Dataconnect Plans, including iPhone, says
you get 5GB/month...PERIOD...before the additional charges start adding
up at the kilobyte level ATT is simply still in love with! This isn't a
problem on an iPhone or any PDA because the damned thing won't DO
anything that uses serious bandwidth! It has no streaming media play to
run up those gigabytes ON PURPOSE. It doesn't play Flash, Windows
streaming media, Real streaming media or anything content providers are
STREAMING, not clip playing, on the net. It only plays CERTAIN LIMITED
TYPES of Apple media clips. Yeah, I know, H-2398472093874 is a standard
format but NOONE STREAMING TV IS SENDING IT....ON PURPOSE. So, your
chances of exceeding 5GB/month are pretty slim due to the horrible
limitations of what the device is actually capable of...playing webpages
soaked with spam, but not streaming anything useful...send/receive
email...and I don't think it does intranet because your company's IT
department has no access to put their proprietary software on it, thanks
Apple.

iPhone doesn't tether, yet, maybe never, so it isn't involved in the
tethering limitations of the next paragraph below....yet.

"PDA/BLACKBERRY PLANS WITH TETHERING
PDA/BlackBerry plans with Tethering may ONLY be used with AT&T-certified
RIM BlackBerry devices and PDAs for the following purposes: (i)
Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including
access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity
applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and
field service automation). PDA/BlackBerry plans with Tethering may be
used to tether such PDA and BlackBerry devices to a Personal Computer.
The parties agree that AT&T has the right to impose additional charges
if you use more than 5 GB in a month. Prior to the imposition of any
additional charges, AT&T shall provide you with notice and you shall
have the right to terminate your service."

WEBPAGES - EMAIL - INTRANET..............ONLY
Even if you could tether your laptop's BT to the Fruitfoney, streaming
video, audio, movies, P2P is against the AUP.....PERIOD.....and will
cost you something awful IF YOU DOWNLOAD MORE THAN 5GB PER MONTH!

Well, I'll wait for your DIRECT QUOTE OF COMPANY POLICY that tells me
all iPhones have just unlimited internet service to do anything they
damned well please for the price on ATT Wireless......because IT'S
SIMPLY NOT TRUE!

"Prior to the imposition of any additional charges, AT&T shall provide
you with notice and you shall have the right to terminate your service."

Now, ATT might not be CHARGING you for over 5GB/month, at their
whim....and it says in this little sentence they'll notify you if they
decide to get nasty.....but it STILL doesn't say iPhones have UNLIMITED
DATA SERVICE, anywhere in any text.

......your turn.......

At 18 Dec 2008 18:01:52 +0000 Larry wrote:

> > For at least the umpteenth time, AT&T's iPhone data plan is unlimited.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Let's cut the CSR bull****. The company's TERMS are HERE:
> http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...plan-terms.jsp
>
> Please copy and paste the TERMS from the COMPANY's webpage here^^ the
> exact text that says iPhones have UNLIMITED DATA downloads/uploads
> without the 5GB limit.

It's not in the TOS- it's in the plan description:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...phone-info.jsp

Note "Unlimited Data (email/web)."

The TOS lists the exceptions (i.e. no tethering), not the plan itself.

> Paste it in a reply to this message so everyone
> can see EXACTLY what it says, not what some kid in a tie said to youin
> the ATT store.....
>
> Now, if you follow along in the EXTENSIVE text, click down to the Iphone
> data plan section. It says, and I'll quote the EXACT text for everyone
> to see:

<snip a bunch of stuff unrelated to data usage>


> EDITOR'S NOTE: HERE IT REFERS TO MEDIATERMS WEBPAGE:
> http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/me...t/media-legal-
> notices.jsp
> PLEASE REFER TO THAT WEBPAGE FOR FURTHER INFO BELOW...
> RESUMPTION OF QUOTED TEXT----------------------------------
>
> Terms Applicable to Features/Data Plans: For full details on messaging
> and data usage see att.com/mediaterms. Certain features will not be
> available in all areas at all times. See Roadside Assistance welcome
> letter and/or brochures for full terms and conditions.
>
> VoiceDial: See VoiceDial brochure for full details. No discounts
> available on Unlimited calling plans.
>
> Data Plans: An eligible data plan for iPhone is required. This data plan
> covers data usage in the U.S. and does not cover international data
> usage and charges. If it is determined that you are using iPhone without
> an eligible data plan, AT&T reserves the right to add an eligible data
> plan to your account and bill you the appropriate monthly fee. © 2008
> AT&T Intellectual Property. All rights reserved. AT&T and the AT&T logo
> are trademarks of AT&T Intellectual Property. Subsidiaries and
> affiliates of AT&T Inc. provide products and services under the AT&T
> brand. © 2008 Apple Inc. All rights reserved. Apple, the Apple logo,
> iPod, iTunes, and Mac are trademarks of Apple Inc., registered in the
> U.S. and other countries. iPhone, Multi-Touch and Safari are trademarks
> of Apple Inc."
>
> END OF QUOTED TEXT------------------------------------------------
>
> I do not see a single word about iPhone having some special UNLIMITED
> data plan anywhere is the above text or in the whole TERMS and
> CONDITIONS legal document.

Except the plan description. Again, nothing in the TOS invalidates that.


> "Usage/Billing: Usage and monthly fees will be charged as specified in
> your plan. DATA TRANSPORT IS BILLED IN FULL-KILOBYTE INCREMENTS, AND
> ACTUAL TRANSPORT IS ROUNDED UP TO THE NEXT FULL-KILOBYTE INCREMENT AT
> THE END OF EACH DATA SESSION FOR BILLING PURPOSES. AT&T CHARGES A FULL
> KILOBYTE OF DATA TRANSPORT FOR EVERY FRACTION OF THE LAST KILOBYTE OF
> DATA TRANSPORT USED ON EACH DATA SESSION.

Yes, AT&T also sells metered plans (not for iPhone, though.)

> Not a single word about "UNLIMITED" or about "iPhone" in the usage and
> billing paragraph. Maybe it's in the PERMISSIBLE USES:

No, because "unlimited" doesn't need redefining- remember Verizon's trouble
with the NY AG?


> No, no....I don't see anything about iPhone special UNLIMITED data or
> even a mention of the damned thing as anything different than anyone, do
> you? It's GOTTA be in there somewhere, right! This paragraph says it's
> against the AUP to do ANYTHING except look at spam-soaked webpages,
> email and, if you're a business, company intranet as long as company
> intranet doesn't use any BANDWIDTH....the same old **** sellphone is
> always against at all costs....unless you're paying by the KILOBYTE,of
> course, then we have all the bandwidth you could ever want for any
> purpose at those prices!


Unlimited Data (email/web) pretty much sums it up then, eh?


> Now, I BELIEVE this is the place where the bull**** comes to roost!
> Make some notes so we don't have to keep going over this COMPANY
> ENFORCEMENT DATA over and over......
>
> The general statement for all Dataconnect Plans, including iPhone, says
> you get 5GB/month...PERIOD...

No, DataConnect plans are laptop card plans and tethering plans. They're
the only plans with the cap.

> So, your
> chances of exceeding 5GB/month are pretty slim due to the horrible
> limitations of what the device is actually capable of...

But you're welcome to try, without penalty.


> Now, ATT might not be CHARGING you for over 5GB/month, at their
> whim....and it says in this little sentence they'll notify you if they
> decide to get nasty.....but it STILL doesn't say iPhones have UNLIMITED
> DATA SERVICE, anywhere in any text.
>
> .....your turn.......

Easy. It doesn't say they do not have the unlimited service the plan
description mentions. Period.

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:XAE2l.16197
[email protected]:

> Unlimited Data (email/web) pretty much sums it up then, eh?
>

And, isn't it interesting this marketing page DIRECTLY contradicts the
company's forbidding AUP and its 5GB/mo LIMIT on all data services, even
PDAs.

Of course, the key words are (email/web).....not unlimited at all.

No FTP
No P2P
No connecting to Usenetserver and downloading movies/music/porn
No streaming audio or video...even video clips are expressly forbidden
No downloading software or even apps.....??
No VoIP
No IM


Just email/web. That's not even internet service, is it.

There's no hope for this box or any sellphone-connected boxes.

We can only hope the non-sellphone partners have enough sense and
influence that the new Wimax services don't have these restrictions on
them and are more like ADSL or cable internet USED TO BE before those
bastards started playing similar games....GB limits, extra charges,
etc., just as the streaming industry has taken off.

So, to recap, IF you were to download any kind of TV streaming program,
apple-approved or not, you are in violation of the AUP. If you download
any kind of P2P app or online gaming app or anything of the sort NOT
just email and webpages....you're in violation of the AUP...EXPRESSLY in
violation.

ATT can turn your Fruitfone into a brick at any time and demand you pay
them, anyway.

Yecch....I'll stick to tablets....

In article <[email protected]>, Larry
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:XAE2l.16197
> [email protected]:
>
> > Unlimited Data (email/web) pretty much sums it up then, eh?
>
> And, isn't it interesting this marketing page DIRECTLY contradicts the
> company's forbidding AUP and its 5GB/mo LIMIT on all data services, even
> PDAs.

no, it's not really interesting at all.

> Of course, the key words are (email/web).....not unlimited at all.

it's unlimited.

> No FTP

there's several.

> No P2P

i think there's p2p apps too.

> No connecting to Usenetserver and downloading movies/music/porn

there's at least one usenet app, although downloading porn is really
not what the device is for. you can't go without porn for a while?

> No streaming audio or video...even video clips are expressly forbidden

numerous ones, including one which apple provides.

> No downloading software or even apps.....??

sure there is.

> No VoIP

several.

> No IM

plenty.

> Just email/web. That's not even internet service, is it.
>
> There's no hope for this box or any sellphone-connected boxes.

yet it's selling quite well.

> We can only hope the non-sellphone partners have enough sense and
> influence that the new Wimax services don't have these restrictions on
> them and are more like ADSL or cable internet USED TO BE before those
> bastards started playing similar games....GB limits, extra charges,
> etc., just as the streaming industry has taken off.
>
> So, to recap, IF you were to download any kind of TV streaming program,
> apple-approved or not, you are in violation of the AUP. If you download
> any kind of P2P app or online gaming app or anything of the sort NOT
> just email and webpages....you're in violation of the AUP...EXPRESSLY in
> violation.

at&t knows quite well what the iphone can do, and wouldn't be selling
it if they thought it was violating every clause.

> ATT can turn your Fruitfone into a brick at any time and demand you pay
> them, anyway.

no, they cannot. just where do you come up with this garbage? at
worst they can cancel your service.

> Yecch....I'll stick to tablets....

if only.