Ericsson a liability for Sony

I have just spent three hours getting my T39 to connect to my Laptop. There
is no excuse for installs to be this difficult in this day and age. It's
simply unacceptable. I have found most open source packages easier to
install in all seriousness.

I foresee Ericsson dragging Sony down with them into the abyss unless they
pull their idiots fingers out of their arses.

perhaps they could say hello to Digital, Compaq and gateway while they are
doen there..

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"carmoda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I have just spent three hours getting my T39 to connect to my Laptop.
There
> is no excuse for installs to be this difficult in this day and age. It's
> simply unacceptable. I have found most open source packages easier to
> install in all seriousness.
>
> I foresee Ericsson dragging Sony down with them into the abyss unless
they
> pull their idiots fingers out of their arses.

T39 had nothing to do with Sony. All current SE models are much better to
use and more reliable.

"Tim S Kemp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "carmoda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I have just spent three hours getting my T39 to connect to my Laptop.
> There
> > is no excuse for installs to be this difficult in this day and age. It's
> > simply unacceptable. I have found most open source packages easier to
> > install in all seriousness.
> >
> > I foresee Ericsson dragging Sony down with them into the abyss unless
> they
> > pull their idiots fingers out of their arses.
>
> T39 had nothing to do with Sony. All current SE models are much better to
> use and more reliable.

I'd have to say that my T28 (old ericsson) is MUCH more stable and reliable
than the newer lineup, despite not having many features (comparatively--it
actually has a lot of cool stuff).


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I used an R520 connected via IR to my laptop years ago when it first
came out, what two or three years back? No problemo. Even using
Micro$not Windoze 2K.

The T39m, from what I've been reading ere on this group was a buggy
phone to start with. I'd make sure the firmware is up to date on it and
whatever computer you're using with whatever OS you're using is up to
date as well.




In article <[email protected]>,
joe <[email protected]> wrote:

> Took me less than 15 min to get my t616 working on my laptop. Install
> the software, turn on the IR port and worked no problem.
>
> You don't mention what types of problems you had.
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:45:46 +1000, "carmoda" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >I have just spent three hours getting my T39 to connect to my Laptop. There
> >is no excuse for installs to be this difficult in this day and age. It's
> >simply unacceptable. I have found most open source packages easier to
> >install in all seriousness.
> >
>

> I have just spent three hours getting my T39 to connect to my Laptop.
There

I still cannot get my P800 to work, the software does not work with WinXP, i
tried to download the lattest version but there are no install that comes
with the drivers. WinXP does not recognise it at a valid driver so i cannot
update it.
The software they offer is pretty useless, (appart from backing up i am not
sure what else i can do).

There are also some bugs in the applications themselves, (the ones on the
phone), but i have no idear how to upgrade them.

> is no excuse for installs to be this difficult in this day and age. It's
> simply unacceptable. I have found most open source packages easier to
> install in all seriousness.

True..

And the fact that they are using MFC, (VC6++), and not removing the default
Microsoft flags tells me that they diod not spend much time on the
applications.

>
> I foresee Ericsson dragging Sony down with them into the abyss unless
they
> pull their idiots fingers out of their arses.
>
> perhaps they could say hello to Digital, Compaq and gateway while they are
> doen there..
>
> I Am Carmoda!
>

Sims

> I have just spent three hours getting my T39 to connect to my Laptop.
There

I still cannot get my P800 to work, the software does not work with WinXP, I
tried to download the latest version but there are no install that comes
with the drivers. WinXP does not recognise it at a valid driver so I cannot
update it.
The software they offer is pretty useless, (apart from backing up I am not
sure what else I can do).

There are also some bugs in the applications themselves, (the ones on the
phone), but I have no idea how to upgrade them.

> is no excuse for installs to be this difficult in this day and age. It's
> simply unacceptable. I have found most open source packages easier to
> install in all seriousness.

True..

And the fact that they are using MFC, (VC6++), and not removing the default
Microsoft flags tells me that they did not spend much time on the
applications.

>
> I foresee Ericsson dragging Sony down with them into the abyss unless
they
> pull their idiots fingers out of their arses.
>
> perhaps they could say hello to Digital, Compaq and gateway while they are
> doen there..
>
> I Am Carmoda!
>

Sims

"Sims" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > I have just spent three hours getting my T39 to connect to my Laptop.
> There
>
> I still cannot get my P800 to work, the software does not work with WinXP,
i
> tried to download the lattest version but there are no install that comes
> with the drivers. WinXP does not recognise it at a valid driver so i
cannot
> update it.
> The software they offer is pretty useless, (appart from backing up i am
not
> sure what else i can do).
>
I have had no problem installing and using the software on either
Win XP at home or Win 2000 at work. It backs up the phone
and synchronises Calendar, Address Books, Tasks, and Notes with
Outlook.

> There are also some bugs in the applications themselves, (the ones on the
> phone), but i have no idear how to upgrade them.
>
What bugs? Also, you can upgrade the phone firmware via any Sony
Ericsson service centre.


> > is no excuse for installs to be this difficult in this day and age. It's
> > simply unacceptable. I have found most open source packages easier to
> > install in all seriousness.
>
> True..
>
> And the fact that they are using MFC, (VC6++), and not removing the
default
> Microsoft flags tells me that they diod not spend much time on the
> applications.
>
> >
> > I foresee Ericsson dragging Sony down with them into the abyss unless
> they
> > pull their idiots fingers out of their arses.
> >
> > perhaps they could say hello to Digital, Compaq and gateway while they
are
> > doen there..
> >
> > I Am Carmoda!
> >
>
> Sims
>
>

> > > I have just spent three hours getting my T39 to connect to my Laptop.
> > There
> >
> > I still cannot get my P800 to work, the software does not work with
WinXP,
> I
> > tried to download the lattest version but there are no install that
comes
> > with the drivers. WinXP does not recognise it at a valid driver so i
> cannot
> > update it.
> > The software they offer is pretty useless, (appart from backing up i am
> not
> > sure what else i can do).
> >
> I have had no problem installing and using the software on either
> Win XP at home or Win 2000 at work. It backs up the phone
> and synchronises Calendar, Address Books, Tasks, and Notes with
> Outlook.

I have WinXP pro and it simply does not work.
I installed it as instructed and it simply does not work.
If I try to launch the application then I get told that some Dll was not
found or something else is missing. Most of the time a crash occurs, (well
as crash goes in win XP anyways).

On my machine I have Win98 as well, I have installed the software and it
seems to work but I do not have any way of working with outlook.
All I can do is backup the phone. And I do have some random crashes if I run
anything else at the same time.

If you know how to use it with Outlook please point me in the right
direction and tell me what app I should be looking for, (I have Outlook
2000).

>
> > There are also some bugs in the applications themselves, (the ones on
the
> > phone), but I have no idear how to upgrade them.
> >
> What bugs? Also,
>

You want bugs?
The Clear button does not work when the flap is closed. Automatic email
checking does not work for multiple email account, (only one address is
checked). The phone goes in System Failure every so often, ( and I have no
idea why, even the FAQ ask question avoids the issue).

****** From the http://www.sonyericsson.com/uk/ site.**************

I get a "System Failure" message. Why?
In the event of a system failure, your P800 will flash an animated
warning.
To recover, please restart the P800 as follows:
Press and hold the On/Off button for at least 10 seconds to turn the P800
off.
Restart as normal: Press the On/Off button to turn on your P800.

****** From the http://www.sonyericsson.com/uk/ site.**************

I still have no clue how that happens, (it usually starts when I am not
doing anything with the phone).

> you can upgrade the phone firmware via any Sony
> Ericsson service centre.

Where do I get such upgrades? Furthermore their site does not always work
and I often get redirected to the wrong page.
You must work for Sony Ericson because I do not seem to find the link so
readily.

I bought my phone in June and have not updated any of their software.

Regards.

Sims

> >
> I have had no problem installing and using the software on either
> Win XP at home or Win 2000 at work. It backs up the phone
> and synchronises Calendar, Address Books, Tasks, and Notes with
> Outlook.
>

Just to make sure, I re-installed the application, rebooted and plugged my
phone in.
The icon on the system tray does a little search and then I get an error,
(an MFC app ...).

I then re-plug my phone in and it seems to work. I get asked to choose a new
phone and I accept all the defaults and the I get a 'Fatal exeption',
'ACCESS VIOLATION"

All the sync types are disabled. When I right click on the System tray to
Sync nothing happens.

Now, I am not sure that this is the best running app I have seen so far.

I am running v.1.0.10.0

Regards.
Sims

"Tim S Kemp" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "carmoda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I have just spent three hours getting my T39 to connect to my Laptop.
> There
> > is no excuse for installs to be this difficult in this day and age. It's
> > simply unacceptable. I have found most open source packages easier to
> > install in all seriousness.
>
> T39 had nothing to do with Sony. All current SE models are much better to
> use and more reliable.

I have a T39m, and find it to be a very nice phone with little in the
way of problems. I'm very happy with it. Actually, let me just remove
the e-mail client from my list of happy features; it's slow to scroll
through messages. Odd, given that the web browser, etc. is fast. But
other than that I'm happy. I sync it with my TiBook, I work with GPRS
a lot, etc.

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 18 Aug 2003
18:45:46 +1000, "carmoda" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I have just spent three hours getting my T39 to connect to my Laptop. There
>is no excuse for installs to be this difficult in this day and age. It's
>simply unacceptable. I have found most open source packages easier to
>install in all seriousness.

FWIW, I've installed on three different computers, and none of them took more
than a few minutes.

> I foresee Ericsson dragging Sony down with them into the abyss unless they
>pull their idiots fingers out of their arses.

Whereas I see Sony as the problem -- it's never seemed to understand cellular.
Ericsson on the other hand has very good cellular design and engineering. Its
weakness is in marketing, which Sony was supposed to address, but hasn't
seemed to do much good thus far.

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carmoda wrote:
> I have just spent three hours getting my T39 to connect to my Laptop. There
> is no excuse for installs to be this difficult in this day and age. It's
> simply unacceptable. I have found most open source packages easier to
> install in all seriousness.

Firstly, an explanation of your operating system would be nice!
I assume you are either using a bluetooth dongle or an embedded
bluetooth module. I have been working with a usb bluetooth dongle, and
it is a pleasure to install and use!
I got my T39 working under sucky win98 in under 10mins! I used it to
perform dial up networking for me while away on a trip.
The linux bluez stack is also awesome, stable, reliable and a pleasure
to use! I setup a lan via bluez in no time!

Ericsson make awesome products compared to the competitors! Robustness,
reliability and quality are what you should expect from Ericsson!
My previous phone was a noki.. rubbish phone, it broke 6 times within 2
years... my T39 and now my T68 are flawless!No repairs needed... which
really rocks my boat!

>
> I foresee Ericsson dragging Sony down with them into the abyss unless they
> pull their idiots fingers out of their arses.
>
> perhaps they could say hello to Digital, Compaq and gateway while they are
> doen there..

I commend you for being able to get the software loaded under WIN98/ME. I
was able to install but it never ran ... simply crashed each time. I traced
it to a third-party application (can't recall the name) that Ericsson
bundled with the phone. They supposedly had a fix available from the
third-party site. I was able to get the phone to work (quite well at that)
with the Palm Tungsten/T. Therefore, I don't feel the need to mate the phone
and my PC. The organizer is actually better.

"BA Baracus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> carmoda wrote:
> > I have just spent three hours getting my T39 to connect to my Laptop.
There
> > is no excuse for installs to be this difficult in this day and age. It's
> > simply unacceptable. I have found most open source packages easier to
> > install in all seriousness.
>
> Firstly, an explanation of your operating system would be nice!
> I assume you are either using a bluetooth dongle or an embedded
> bluetooth module. I have been working with a usb bluetooth dongle, and
> it is a pleasure to install and use!
> I got my T39 working under sucky win98 in under 10mins! I used it to
> perform dial up networking for me while away on a trip.
> The linux bluez stack is also awesome, stable, reliable and a pleasure
> to use! I setup a lan via bluez in no time!
>
> Ericsson make awesome products compared to the competitors! Robustness,
> reliability and quality are what you should expect from Ericsson!
> My previous phone was a noki.. rubbish phone, it broke 6 times within 2
> years... my T39 and now my T68 are flawless!No repairs needed... which
> really rocks my boat!
>
> >
> > I foresee Ericsson dragging Sony down with them into the abyss unless
they
> > pull their idiots fingers out of their arses.
> >
> > perhaps they could say hello to Digital, Compaq and gateway while they
are
> > doen there..
>