Lost / Stolen Mobile Phones?

I was hoping someone might be able to help me here. It's regarding
having your mobile phone lost or stolen.
If you have a second mobile phone, along with a computer with Internet
Access, is there anything that can be done to trace the use of your
stolen mobile phone?
Keeping in mind that you would know your IMEI Number. *IF* you somehow
changed your second phone's IMEI Number to match your First phone's
IMEI Number, would this be of any use in tracking it's usage?

Also, there are PIN Codes that block SIM Card usage, and Phone
Securtiy Codes that block handset usage. Can a thief bypass these
codes easily?

Only aksing here, since I don't know of all the details involved.

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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I was hoping someone might be able to help me here. It's regarding
> having your mobile phone lost or stolen.
> If you have a second mobile phone, along with a computer with Internet
> Access, is there anything that can be done to trace the use of your
> stolen mobile phone?

Unfortunately no, the best that can be done is blocking the phone from
Australian networks.

> Keeping in mind that you would know your IMEI Number. *IF* you somehow
> changed your second phone's IMEI Number to match your First phone's
> IMEI Number, would this be of any use in tracking it's usage?
>
> Also, there are PIN Codes that block SIM Card usage, and Phone
> Securtiy Codes that block handset usage. Can a thief bypass these
> codes easily?

Phone security codes are usually easily overridden. SIM PINs are a *lot*
harder. But generally, you would have requested the network blocked that SIM
(IMSI+Ki combination) and the network would have allocated you a new SIM
with new IMSI/Ki.

On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 01:09:32 GMT: scribbled in alt.cellular.nokia

> Keeping in mind that you would know your IMEI Number.

Then report it, you may not get your phone back but it would at least
be a minor PITA for anyone else to use it.

> *IF* you
> somehow changed your second phone's IMEI Number to match your
> First phone's IMEI Number

Don't know about where you are from but here in the UK that could
probably earn you more prison time that actually stealing the phone.

> would this be of any use in tracking it's usage?

Depends, can you get it back from a jail cell? Seriously if you're
insured and know the IMEI number then report it and get a
replacement, if you're not insured then report it anyway and be more
carefull next time.



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"Wildfire" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 01:09:32 GMT: scribbled in alt.cellular.nokia
>
> > Keeping in mind that you would know your IMEI Number.
>
> Then report it, you may not get your phone back but it would at least
> be a minor PITA for anyone else to use it.
>
> > *IF* you
> > somehow changed your second phone's IMEI Number to match your
> > First phone's IMEI Number
>
> Don't know about where you are from but here in the UK that could
> probably earn you more prison time that actually stealing the phone.

He's in Australia, where mobile phones are blocked but IMEI changing is not
illegal, for the time being.

> Also, there are PIN Codes that block SIM Card usage, and Phone
> Securtiy Codes that block handset usage. Can a thief bypass these
> codes easily?

re: sim card usage... the first thing a theif would do normally is throw
away the sim... any numbers s/he calls will be seen on the bill, and could
be used to possibly identify the theif.

re: phone locks: very very easily, for basically all models, yes.

My wife has am old Ericsson GA628 that she has forgotten the phone lock code
for. Anyone know how to reset it or find out what it is. Obviously I am
not going to get a data cable given that the phone is basically worthless,
but was thinking of giving it to my parents as they have no mobile and
getting a pre-paid sim (assuming the sim voltage will not be a problem?)

Richard



"Daniel Juhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Also, there are PIN Codes that block SIM Card usage, and Phone
> > Securtiy Codes that block handset usage. Can a thief bypass these
> > codes easily?
>
> re: sim card usage... the first thing a theif would do normally is throw
> away the sim... any numbers s/he calls will be seen on the bill, and could
> be used to possibly identify the theif.
>
> re: phone locks: very very easily, for basically all models, yes.
>
>

Drop into a Telstra repair centre in your state
and they can unlock the phone

Dwayne

On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 03:48:59 GMT, "Richard" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>My wife has am old Ericsson GA628 that she has forgotten the phone lock code
>for. Anyone know how to reset it or find out what it is. Obviously I am
>not going to get a data cable given that the phone is basically worthless,
>but was thinking of giving it to my parents as they have no mobile and
>getting a pre-paid sim (assuming the sim voltage will not be a problem?)
>
>Richard
>
>
>
>"Daniel Juhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> > Also, there are PIN Codes that block SIM Card usage, and Phone
>> > Securtiy Codes that block handset usage. Can a thief bypass these
>> > codes easily?
>>
>> re: sim card usage... the first thing a theif would do normally is throw
>> away the sim... any numbers s/he calls will be seen on the bill, and could
>> be used to possibly identify the theif.
>>
>> re: phone locks: very very easily, for basically all models, yes.
>>
>>
>

"Daniel Juhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Also, there are PIN Codes that block SIM Card usage, and Phone
> > Securtiy Codes that block handset usage. Can a thief bypass these
> > codes easily?
>
> re: sim card usage... the first thing a theif would do normally is throw
> away the sim... any numbers s/he calls will be seen on the bill, and could
> be used to possibly identify the theif.

Haha, hardly ever happens

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I was hoping someone might be able to help me here. It's regarding
> having your mobile phone lost or stolen.
> If you have a second mobile phone, along with a computer with Internet
> Access, is there anything that can be done to trace the use of your
> stolen mobile phone?
Yes, if you register with a said site and know your IMEI - you can pinpoint
exactly where your phone is. Obviously this is for parents etc, this never
crossed the owner of the site's mind.

> Keeping in mind that you would know your IMEI Number. *IF* you somehow
> changed your second phone's IMEI Number to match your First phone's
> IMEI Number, would this be of any use in tracking it's usage?
That will just get you locked up in the UK. Two wrongs don't make a
right...
Forget tweaking numbers as all it would do is cause both phones to be
shutdown and reported stolen
and phone would be locateable in two places. One being where you are.
Not a wise move.
Highly illegal and be stupid to do...
>
> Also, there are PIN Codes that block SIM Card usage, and Phone
> Securtiy Codes that block handset usage. Can a thief bypass these
> codes easily?
Not the PIN, but security code can be got around. It depends on DCT3 or
DCT4 how easy it is.
If the phone works when unlocked, they buy a new sim and chuck the old away.
The best thing to do is to report your first IMEI as stolen and forget about
it any further than that.
It's a pity we have thieves in the world we live in, such is life...
see: http://www.immobilise.com/

> Only asking here, since I don't know of all the details involved.
In that case, learn from the experience. Don't get into illegal activities
and put yourself at risk...

Hallo Everyone,
Among lot of people in todays world I have the same expiriance and
need some help.
During my staying in Poland they stole my mobilephone Nokia 7650 in
one hotel while I was sleeping.
Is there enything I can do to locate my phone or as I heard somehow it
can be located or blocked.To do this what can I do, where I should
send the IMEI to block\locate it.Due to that was wery new phone I
still have with me the garancy paper.
I would be wery thenkfull for any help.

> That will just get you locked up in the UK. Two wrongs don't make a
> right...
> Forget tweaking numbers as all it would do is cause both phones to be
> shutdown and reported stolen
> and phone would be locateable in two places. One being where you are.
> Not a wise move.
> Highly illegal and be stupid to do...

That doesnt happen in Australia

Michael J <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> That will just get you locked up in the UK.
>> Two wrongs don't make a right...
>> Forget tweaking numbers as all it would do is cause
>> both phones to be shutdown and reported stolen
>> and phone would be locateable in two places.
>> One being where you are.
>> Not a wise move.
>> Highly illegal and be stupid to do...

> That doesnt happen in Australia

They're talking about changing that here now.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...624979909.html

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Michael J <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> >> That will just get you locked up in the UK.
> >> Two wrongs don't make a right...
> >> Forget tweaking numbers as all it would do is cause
> >> both phones to be shutdown and reported stolen
> >> and phone would be locateable in two places.
> >> One being where you are.
> >> Not a wise move.
> >> Highly illegal and be stupid to do...
>
> > That doesnt happen in Australia
>
> They're talking about changing that here now.
> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...624979909.html

Note the section that says

: The system also works in reverse - previously missing phones which
: have been recovered will be given access to mobile networks again.

Try getting the networks to do that here in the UK...!

Ivor

"The Mole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Yes, if you register with a said site and know your IMEI - you can
pinpoint
> exactly where your phone is. Obviously this is for parents etc, this
never
> crossed the owner of the site's mind.


GSM doesn't utilise triangulation like CDMA does - you've got a far greater
chance of finding a CDMA phone from which sectors it is currently utilising.
All you can do with GSM is know which sector and the TA of the call - which
in Australia can mean a bloody big area!


Albinus.

"Albinus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "The Mole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Yes, if you register with a said site and know your IMEI - you can
> pinpoint
> > exactly where your phone is. Obviously this is for parents etc, this
> never
> > crossed the owner of the site's mind.
>
>
> GSM doesn't utilise triangulation like CDMA does - you've got a far
greater
> chance of finding a CDMA phone from which sectors it is currently
utilising.
> All you can do with GSM is know which sector and the TA of the call -
which
> in Australia can mean a bloody big area!

Who cares anyway? This is only relevant to law enforcement, the average
johnny is never going to need to know this