Oxygen software. Licence renewals

All I want to do is change the phone I use!
This is the sixth response ( see below) telling me I need to pay to renew my
licence.
In another thread, you say I don't need to pay!

Quote:-
> Also you don't need to pay additional money if you want to _change_ one
> phone to another. This procedure is free of charge and can be done in
> several mouse clicks


Well? I think you need to have a conference & get your story straight!

-------------------------

Hello!
Thank you for using Oxygen Phone Manager!
Unfortunately, your license expired. You can renew it here
www.opm-2.com/order/ Please, note, you should enter Qtu of phones you wish
to renew, it is one for default.
If you will have any further questions, do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards, Olga Pus'
Oxygen Phone Manager - all you want from your Nokia
[email protected]
http://www.opm-2.com/
http://www.oxygensoftware.com/

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Hello, Dolphin!
You wrote on Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:22:21 +0100:

DB> All I want to do is change the phone I use!
DB> This is the sixth response ( see below) telling me I need to pay to
DB> renew my licence.
DB> In another thread, you say I don't need to pay!

DB> Quote:-
>> Also you don't need to pay additional money if you want to _change_
>> one phone to another. This procedure is free of charge and can be
>> done in several mouse clicks

DB> Well? I think you need to have a conference & get your story
DB> straight!

Surely you don't need to pay additional money if your registration isn't
expired. As I said before you pay for one year of updates and technical
support. But if your license is expired, we can't provide technical support
(including phone replacement) to you.

If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact
us.

Best regards, Oleg Fyodorov.
Oxygen Software - tools for your Nokia.
Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your Nokia.
[email protected]
http://www.oxygensoftware.com
http://www.oxygensoftware.co.uk

"Oxygen Software" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello, Dolphin!
> You wrote on Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:22:21 +0100:
>
> DB> All I want to do is change the phone I use!
> DB> This is the sixth response ( see below) telling me I need to pay to
> DB> renew my licence.
> DB> In another thread, you say I don't need to pay!
>
> DB> Quote:-
> >> Also you don't need to pay additional money if you want to _change_
> >> one phone to another. This procedure is free of charge and can be
> >> done in several mouse clicks
>
> DB> Well? I think you need to have a conference & get your story
> DB> straight!
>
> Surely you don't need to pay additional money if your registration isn't
> expired. As I said before you pay for one year of updates and technical
> support. But if your license is expired, we can't provide technical
support
> (including phone replacement) to you.
>
> If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact
> us.
>
> Best regards, Oleg Fyodorov.
> Oxygen Software - tools for your Nokia.
> Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your Nokia.
> [email protected]
> http://www.oxygensoftware.com
> http://www.oxygensoftware.co.uk
>
So my complaint is true and valid. After 1 year, I cannot change my handset,
and your product becomes worthless. This is a SCAM! An excuse to con people
out of their money.
You know people are going to upgrade their handsets after about 18 months,
so either they pay up (for a product thats already paid for) or go without.
Well I'm going to make this con well known!

"Dolphin Boy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Oxygen Software" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hello, Dolphin!
> > You wrote on Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:22:21 +0100:
> >
> > DB> All I want to do is change the phone I use!
> > DB> This is the sixth response ( see below) telling me I need to pay to
> > DB> renew my licence.
> > DB> In another thread, you say I don't need to pay!
> >
> > DB> Quote:-
> > >> Also you don't need to pay additional money if you want to
_change_
> > >> one phone to another. This procedure is free of charge and can be
> > >> done in several mouse clicks
> >
> > DB> Well? I think you need to have a conference & get your story
> > DB> straight!
> >
> > Surely you don't need to pay additional money if your registration isn't
> > expired. As I said before you pay for one year of updates and technical
> > support. But if your license is expired, we can't provide technical
> support
> > (including phone replacement) to you.
> >
> > If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to
contact
> > us.
> >
> > Best regards, Oleg Fyodorov.
> > Oxygen Software - tools for your Nokia.
> > Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your Nokia.
> > [email protected]
> > http://www.oxygensoftware.com
> > http://www.oxygensoftware.co.uk
> >
> So my complaint is true and valid. After 1 year, I cannot change my
handset,
> and your product becomes worthless. This is a SCAM! An excuse to con
people
> out of their money.
> You know people are going to upgrade their handsets after about 18 months,
> so either they pay up (for a product thats already paid for) or go
without.
> Well I'm going to make this con well known!
>
>

Ah don't talk crap, you pay money for the program and one year of upgrades
and support and can use the product for as long as you want after that with
the same phone, you just want upgrades for life and to use it with as many
phones as you choose. I'm sure you would have found out what you were
getting if you had read the licence agreement or terms.

--
John C. Rymer
www.UnlockingIreland.com
UK, Ireland and worldwide phone unlocking.

Providing the registration lasts for the life of the registered phones I
don't see a problem. You can change your handsets within the year, after
that year you need to update the licence to use new phones with it or you
are stuck with just the ones you have registered. The updater of the
licence code expires. This is my understanding.

This surely supports the product where piracy is rife. Common sense to me,
to develop software where you can be sure of an on going income in difficult
times. Right Oxygen? In a years time newer phones may be out and
this insures you pay for on going developement. If you don't upgrade your
phones though, it won't affect you!

"The Mole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Providing the registration lasts for the life of the registered phones I
> don't see a problem. You can change your handsets within the year, after
> that year you need to update the licence to use new phones with it or you
> are stuck with just the ones you have registered. The updater of the
> licence code expires. This is my understanding.
>
> This surely supports the product where piracy is rife. Common sense to
me,
> to develop software where you can be sure of an on going income in
difficult
> times. Right Oxygen? In a years time newer phones may be out and
> this insures you pay for on going developement. If you don't upgrade
your
> phones though, it won't affect you!
>
>

Oh come on. Fine, don't get updates to the software, and fine, don't get
*support* for newer phones, but not letting you *change* to use a different
phone after a year is a bit tight really. What's the policy if you happen to
drop your phone down the toilet a year and a day after you bought the
software but you get an identical (except for the IEMI) phone in
replacement? Surely its unreasonable to expect someone to buy the software
again.

Pretty unfair to do this without making it really obvious that this is the
case (and that doesn't mean putting it in the middle of the terms and
conditions). Surely this encourages people to look for pirated copies of the
software 'cause they're cheesed off with feeling fleeced.

<snip>
> Oh come on. Fine, don't get updates to the software, and fine, don't get
> *support* for newer phones, but not letting you *change* to use a
different
> phone after a year is a bit tight really. What's the policy if you happen
to
> drop your phone down the toilet a year and a day after you bought the
> software but you get an identical (except for the IEMI) phone in
> replacement? Surely its unreasonable to expect someone to buy the software
> again.
>
> Pretty unfair to do this without making it really obvious that this is the
> case (and that doesn't mean putting it in the middle of the terms and
> conditions). Surely this encourages people to look for pirated copies of
the
> software 'cause they're cheesed off with feeling fleeced.

My point exactly. My version of OPM2 (2011) supports my "new" phone
(a secondhand 8310, purchased from the first owner) . Oxygen claim the key
business is for
software protection, a claim I happily support. (In fact, I usually lead the
flame attacks on
Lusers who ask for cracks) In reality, Oxygen KNOW their users are going to
change their
handsets - usually after the license expires, so its just an excuse to pull
in more money

--
Hello!

Thank you for contacting us!

The renewal price is not equal with the new license. It is less. If we want
to continue developing the software we cannot give it for free.

If you will have any further questions, do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards, Olga Pus'
Oxygen Phone Manager - all you want from your Nokia
[email protected]
http://www.opm-2.com/
http://www.oxygensoftware.com/
"Dolphin Boy" <[email protected]> ñîîáùèë/ñîîáùèëà â íîâîñòÿõ
ñëåäóþùåå: news:[email protected]...
> <snip>
> > Oh come on. Fine, don't get updates to the software, and fine, don't get
> > *support* for newer phones, but not letting you *change* to use a
> different
> > phone after a year is a bit tight really. What's the policy if you
happen
> to
> > drop your phone down the toilet a year and a day after you bought the
> > software but you get an identical (except for the IEMI) phone in
> > replacement? Surely its unreasonable to expect someone to buy the
software
> > again.
> >
> > Pretty unfair to do this without making it really obvious that this is
the
> > case (and that doesn't mean putting it in the middle of the terms and
> > conditions). Surely this encourages people to look for pirated copies of
> the
> > software 'cause they're cheesed off with feeling fleeced.
>
> My point exactly. My version of OPM2 (2011) supports my "new" phone
> (a secondhand 8310, purchased from the first owner) . Oxygen claim the key
> business is for
> software protection, a claim I happily support. (In fact, I usually lead
the
> flame attacks on
> Lusers who ask for cracks) In reality, Oxygen KNOW their users are going
to
> change their
> handsets - usually after the license expires, so its just an excuse to
pull
> in more money
>
>

I have ALREADY PAID!
I will take every change to warn people of your "expired license" scam!


"Oxygen Software" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> --
> Hello!
>
> Thank you for contacting us!
>
> The renewal price is not equal with the new license. It is less. If we
want
> to continue developing the software we cannot give it for free.
>
> If you will have any further questions, do not hesitate to contact us.
> Best regards, Olga Pus'
> Oxygen Phone Manager - all you want from your Nokia
> [email protected]
> http://www.opm-2.com/
> http://www.oxygensoftware.com/
> "Dolphin Boy" <[email protected]> ñîîáùèë/ñîîáùèëà â íîâîñòÿõ
> ñëåäóþùåå: news:[email protected]...
> > <snip>
> > > Oh come on. Fine, don't get updates to the software, and fine, don't
get
> > > *support* for newer phones, but not letting you *change* to use a
> > different
> > > phone after a year is a bit tight really. What's the policy if you
> happen
> > to
> > > drop your phone down the toilet a year and a day after you bought the
> > > software but you get an identical (except for the IEMI) phone in
> > > replacement? Surely its unreasonable to expect someone to buy the
> software
> > > again.
> > >
> > > Pretty unfair to do this without making it really obvious that this is
> the
> > > case (and that doesn't mean putting it in the middle of the terms and
> > > conditions). Surely this encourages people to look for pirated copies
of
> > the
> > > software 'cause they're cheesed off with feeling fleeced.
> >
> > My point exactly. My version of OPM2 (2011) supports my "new" phone
> > (a secondhand 8310, purchased from the first owner) . Oxygen claim the
key
> > business is for
> > software protection, a claim I happily support. (In fact, I usually lead
> the
> > flame attacks on
> > Lusers who ask for cracks) In reality, Oxygen KNOW their users are going
> to
> > change their
> > handsets - usually after the license expires, so its just an excuse to
> pull
> > in more money
> >
> >
>
>

--
Hello!

Thank you for contacting us!

We are warning people about it. It is written in the License agreement
(which you accepted before installing the software) and in our Readme. If
that wasn't acceptable for you, you shouldn't install and use the software,
but could had a refund. You have accepted it, you've agreed with it.

If you will have any further questions, do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards, Olga Pus'
Oxygen Phone Manager - all you want from your Nokia
[email protected]
http://www.opm-2.com/
http://www.oxygensoftware.com/
"Dolphin Boy" <[email protected]> ñîîáùèë/ñîîáùèëà â íîâîñòÿõ
ñëåäóþùåå: news:[email protected]...
> I have ALREADY PAID!
> I will take every change to warn people of your "expired license" scam!
>
>
> "Oxygen Software" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > --
> > Hello!
> >
> > Thank you for contacting us!
> >
> > The renewal price is not equal with the new license. It is less. If we
> want
> > to continue developing the software we cannot give it for free.
> >
> > If you will have any further questions, do not hesitate to contact us.
> > Best regards, Olga Pus'
> > Oxygen Phone Manager - all you want from your Nokia
> > [email protected]
> > http://www.opm-2.com/
> > http://www.oxygensoftware.com/
> > "Dolphin Boy" <[email protected]> ñîîáùèë/ñîîáùèëà â íîâîñòÿõ
> > ñëåäóþùåå: news:[email protected]...
> > > <snip>
> > > > Oh come on. Fine, don't get updates to the software, and fine, don't
> get
> > > > *support* for newer phones, but not letting you *change* to use a
> > > different
> > > > phone after a year is a bit tight really. What's the policy if you
> > happen
> > > to
> > > > drop your phone down the toilet a year and a day after you bought
the
> > > > software but you get an identical (except for the IEMI) phone in
> > > > replacement? Surely its unreasonable to expect someone to buy the
> > software
> > > > again.
> > > >
> > > > Pretty unfair to do this without making it really obvious that this
is
> > the
> > > > case (and that doesn't mean putting it in the middle of the terms
and
> > > > conditions). Surely this encourages people to look for pirated
copies
> of
> > > the
> > > > software 'cause they're cheesed off with feeling fleeced.
> > >
> > > My point exactly. My version of OPM2 (2011) supports my "new" phone
> > > (a secondhand 8310, purchased from the first owner) . Oxygen claim the
> key
> > > business is for
> > > software protection, a claim I happily support. (In fact, I usually
lead
> > the
> > > flame attacks on
> > > Lusers who ask for cracks) In reality, Oxygen KNOW their users are
going
> > to
> > > change their
> > > handsets - usually after the license expires, so its just an excuse to
> > pull
> > > in more money
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

As long as the current licence works with the current version at time of
expiry with all current phones registered and this is all listed in the
sales agreement where is the problem? Say you get a 3610i released next
year. It won't be in the build 2.1.7 for example, so would need to be
added say in 2.1.8 and that costs money. With other shareware programs you
buy, you periodically have to re-buy the latest version - take PaintShopPro
for example. Even if you pay an upgrade fee. You are paying for the work
that allows the newer phone technology to be included. If you don't agree
to this licence method, don't use the software - but you are probably in the
minority.

Oxygen has a lot of work put in to it, and you need a constant income to
make it worthwhile to continue going. This method is a fair way of doing
that. You get a free year of upgrades, after that you pay a smaller fee
which continues upgrades and allows time to be spent adding new technology
to the program - don't get new technology and you don't need a new licence -
you get what you pay for. It is impossible to do for free - even if you'd
like to. Otherwise everyone would have the program and you'd be forever
updating it for free - like LM and see what people do with a £20 program -
they crack it. As people steal it, that only increases the problem. So
in a society like ours, you have to have a lever somewhere and this is a
sensible idea.

Unfortunately thieves don't have a knowledge of business - just how to
steal - why everyone told me to unlock DCT4 free and flamed me. You got
your wish - now none of you can charge for it! Instead everyone could have
helped each other and unlocking been stable at £20.00 with other phones done
also. But in this world someone always wants to get more than the other
and ruins what works by greed.

If and when the algorithum has is then changed noone has anything. Or - if
Nokia have any sense, they now won't change the algorithum - because having
solutions so available, makes it inviable as a business and noone can do it
due to the high overheads v the little income it now has. Hence customers
have to do it themselves now and be pretty clued up. Having it fully out
there, is better than having a new solution brought out. It actually
protects the Nokia product more.

You all defeat yourselves.
http://www.unlocksmith.com/

"Dolphin Boy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have ALREADY PAID!
> I will take every change to warn people of your "expired license" scam!

If Dolphin was smart, rather than flaming, he could have written you a
fantastic review!
Mole.

Sorry - thought it funny!

"The Mole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If Dolphin was smart, rather than flaming, he could have written you a
> fantastic review!
> Mole.
>
> Sorry - thought it funny!
>
What's funny is that <every> time I see Oxygen in this NG, I'm gonna publish
my "review" (har-har!) of their license. I have owned a computer of some
sort
or other sinse 1980. Every piece of SW I own (Even Logomanager!) is paid
for.
OPM2 is the only application to use this scam.

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:44:45 +0400, "Oxygen Software"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>--
>Hello!
>
>Thank you for contacting us!
>
>We are warning people about it. It is written in the License agreement
>(which you accepted before installing the software) and in our Readme.

I don't see it anywhere in the license agreement. The text only says
that you get one year of upgrades and technical support. It doesn't
mention anything about not being able to use the software with a
different phone after the end of the year.

> If
>that wasn't acceptable for you, you shouldn't install and use the software,
>but could had a refund. You have accepted it, you've agreed with it.
>
>If you will have any further questions, do not hesitate to contact us.
>Best regards, Olga Pus'
>Oxygen Phone Manager - all you want from your Nokia
>[email protected]
>http://www.opm-2.com/
>http://www.oxygensoftware.com/
>"Dolphin Boy" <[email protected]> ñîîáùèë/ñîîáùèëà â íîâîñòÿõ
>ñëåäóþùåå: news:[email protected]...
>> I have ALREADY PAID!
>> I will take every change to warn people of your "expired license" scam!
>>
>>
>> "Oxygen Software" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > --
>> > Hello!
>> >
>> > Thank you for contacting us!
>> >
>> > The renewal price is not equal with the new license. It is less. If we
>> want
>> > to continue developing the software we cannot give it for free.
>> >
>> > If you will have any further questions, do not hesitate to contact us.
>> > Best regards, Olga Pus'
>> > Oxygen Phone Manager - all you want from your Nokia
>> > [email protected]
>> > http://www.opm-2.com/
>> > http://www.oxygensoftware.com/
>> > "Dolphin Boy" <[email protected]> ñîîáùèë/ñîîáùèëà â íîâîñòÿõ
>> > ñëåäóþùåå: news:[email protected]...
>> > > <snip>
>> > > > Oh come on. Fine, don't get updates to the software, and fine, don't
>> get
>> > > > *support* for newer phones, but not letting you *change* to use a
>> > > different
>> > > > phone after a year is a bit tight really. What's the policy if you
>> > happen
>> > > to
>> > > > drop your phone down the toilet a year and a day after you bought
>the
>> > > > software but you get an identical (except for the IEMI) phone in
>> > > > replacement? Surely its unreasonable to expect someone to buy the
>> > software
>> > > > again.
>> > > >
>> > > > Pretty unfair to do this without making it really obvious that this
>is
>> > the
>> > > > case (and that doesn't mean putting it in the middle of the terms
>and
>> > > > conditions). Surely this encourages people to look for pirated
>copies
>> of
>> > > the
>> > > > software 'cause they're cheesed off with feeling fleeced.
>> > >
>> > > My point exactly. My version of OPM2 (2011) supports my "new" phone
>> > > (a secondhand 8310, purchased from the first owner) . Oxygen claim the
>> key
>> > > business is for
>> > > software protection, a claim I happily support. (In fact, I usually
>lead
>> > the
>> > > flame attacks on
>> > > Lusers who ask for cracks) In reality, Oxygen KNOW their users are
>going
>> > to
>> > > change their
>> > > handsets - usually after the license expires, so its just an excuse to
>> > pull
>> > > in more money
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>

I think you've missed the point. The issue here is not about receiving
upgrades to work with newly released models, its about it working with
a different phone of exactly the *same* model.

If you lose your currently registered phone and replace it with
another identical phone OPM will not work with the replacement unit if
more than a year has elapsed since you bought the software.


On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:57:59 +0000 (UTC), "The Mole"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>As long as the current licence works with the current version at time of
>expiry with all current phones registered and this is all listed in the
>sales agreement where is the problem? Say you get a 3610i released next
>year. It won't be in the build 2.1.7 for example, so would need to be
>added say in 2.1.8 and that costs money. With other shareware programs you
>buy, you periodically have to re-buy the latest version - take PaintShopPro
>for example. Even if you pay an upgrade fee. You are paying for the work
>that allows the newer phone technology to be included. If you don't agree
>to this licence method, don't use the software - but you are probably in the
>minority.
>
>Oxygen has a lot of work put in to it, and you need a constant income to
>make it worthwhile to continue going. This method is a fair way of doing
>that. You get a free year of upgrades, after that you pay a smaller fee
>which continues upgrades and allows time to be spent adding new technology
>to the program - don't get new technology and you don't need a new licence -
>you get what you pay for. It is impossible to do for free - even if you'd
>like to. Otherwise everyone would have the program and you'd be forever
>updating it for free - like LM and see what people do with a £20 program -
>they crack it. As people steal it, that only increases the problem. So
>in a society like ours, you have to have a lever somewhere and this is a
>sensible idea.
>
>Unfortunately thieves don't have a knowledge of business - just how to
>steal - why everyone told me to unlock DCT4 free and flamed me. You got
>your wish - now none of you can charge for it! Instead everyone could have
>helped each other and unlocking been stable at £20.00 with other phones done
>also. But in this world someone always wants to get more than the other
>and ruins what works by greed.
>
>If and when the algorithum has is then changed noone has anything. Or - if
>Nokia have any sense, they now won't change the algorithum - because having
>solutions so available, makes it inviable as a business and noone can do it
>due to the high overheads v the little income it now has. Hence customers
>have to do it themselves now and be pretty clued up. Having it fully out
>there, is better than having a new solution brought out. It actually
>protects the Nokia product more.
>
>You all defeat yourselves.
>http://www.unlocksmith.com/
>
>"Dolphin Boy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I have ALREADY PAID!
>> I will take every change to warn people of your "expired license" scam!
>