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Now that Cingular is buying AT&T and analysts are expecting more buyouts
what does everybody think the odds are Verizon will try to acquire Sprint
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> Now that Cingular is buying AT&T and analysts are expecting more buyouts
> what does everybody think the odds are Verizon will try to acquire Sprint
> PCS
>
>


And the business advantage for that would be ______________________?

Joe Gill <joegill@[email protected]> wrote:
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> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Now that Cingular is buying AT&T and analysts are expecting more buyouts
>> what does everybody think the odds are Verizon will try to acquire Sprint
>> PCS
>>
>>
>
>
> And the business advantage for that would be ______________________?

Better coverage in the Twin Cities, parts of Arizona and maybe parts of
Florida. Oh, and in some major cities in the southwest Plains states
(Little Rock and OKC come to mind; as far as I'm aware, no VZW native
coverage in either place.)

Beyond that, I'm not sure.

I am a happy customer of both companies, but don't see tons of benefits to
a VZW acquisition of SPCS.


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Spectrum for more data products in future.
Push another prl and you have better coverage/capacity.
One less competitor.

It would be gross overkill in most markets though.
Only things I can come up with.

Scotty


"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Joe Gill <joegill@[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> Now that Cingular is buying AT&T and analysts are expecting more
buyouts
> >> what does everybody think the odds are Verizon will try to acquire
Sprint
> >> PCS
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > And the business advantage for that would be ______________________?
>
> Better coverage in the Twin Cities, parts of Arizona and maybe parts of
> Florida. Oh, and in some major cities in the southwest Plains states
> (Little Rock and OKC come to mind; as far as I'm aware, no VZW native
> coverage in either place.)
>
> Beyond that, I'm not sure.
>
> I am a happy customer of both companies, but don't see tons of benefits to
> a VZW acquisition of SPCS.
>
>
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Joe Gill" <joegill@[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Now that Cingular is buying AT&T and analysts are expecting more buyouts
> > what does everybody think the odds are Verizon will try to acquire Sprint
> > PCS
> >
> >
>
>
> And the business advantage for that would be ______________________?

The Justice Department might allow it now while once Democrats get back
in control next year they might not.

Sprint PCS stock price is elevated now as if someone was expecting a
buyout.

Verizon might want to be largest carrier now, rather than wait 2 years
for its growth to overtake the "new" Cingular.

I'd rate the chances as low given Verizon's high internally generated
growth rate is continuing. Verizon and T-Mobile are growing at agood
clip, AT&T and Cingular were shrinking (from WLNP) and Sprint PCS is
growing much slower than they project in their filings to the SEC. Lucky
Virgin is the one good thing they can point to. If Sprint PCS is not
seen as an immediate buyout target, and if it continues to lose money
every quarter with high churn and low growth rates, its stock price
might well go back to 5, making it more attractive as a takeover target.

I PREDICT Sprint PCS stock price will go up or down, or stay the same,
and either right away or after a while.

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"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Joe Gill" <joegill@[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Now that Cingular is buying AT&T and analysts are expecting more
buyouts
> > > what does everybody think the odds are Verizon will try to acquire
Sprint
> > > PCS
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > And the business advantage for that would be ______________________?
>
> The Justice Department might allow it now while once Democrats get back
> in control next year they might not.
>
> Sprint PCS stock price is elevated now as if someone was expecting a
> buyout.
>
> Verizon might want to be largest carrier now, rather than wait 2 years
> for its growth to overtake the "new" Cingular.

-->Makes sense.

> I'd rate the chances as low given Verizon's high internally generated
> growth rate is continuing. Verizon and T-Mobile are growing at agood
> clip, AT&T and Cingular were shrinking (from WLNP) and Sprint PCS is
> growing much slower than they project in their filings to the SEC. Lucky
> Virgin is the one good thing they can point to. If Sprint PCS is not
> seen as an immediate buyout target, and if it continues to lose money
> every quarter with high churn and low growth rates, its stock price
> might well go back to 5, making it more attractive as a takeover target.

-->Makes sense again.

> I PREDICT Sprint PCS stock price will go up or down, or stay the same,
> and either right away or after a while.

-->Too funny!
I predict I am going to be make or lose money in the stock market.
I would be willing to take bets on that fact as well. ;-)

Scotty

They might try --- but Sprint needs the division for their all-in-one
offerings.

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> what does everybody think the odds are Verizon will try to acquire Sprint
> PCS
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"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Now that Cingular is buying AT&T and analysts are expecting more buyouts
> what does everybody think the odds are Verizon will try to acquire Sprint
> PCS
>
I don't think it will happen. The FTC would step and stop any sale as there
would be less competitors in the market. JMHO ...

Bob

Damn this thread died months ago

> Now that Cingular is buying AT&T and analysts are expecting more buyouts
> what does everybody think the odds are Verizon will try to acquire Sprint
> PCS
>
>

In article <[email protected]>,
"Scott Nelson" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I predict I am going to be make or lose money in the stock market.
> I would be willing to take bets on that fact as well. ;-)

You could lose that bet if you break even.

[email protected] wrote:

> Now that Cingular is buying AT&T and analysts are expecting more buyouts
> what does everybody think the odds are Verizon will try to acquire Sprint
> PCS


Unlikely. Both Sprint and Verizon are more than just their wireless
carriers. AT&T wireless was part of AT&T in name only (they were spun
off a year or two ago but allowed to continue using the brand), making
them an easy acquisition target.

Now, all of the major players except for T-Mobile and Nextel are owned
or majority-owned by a domestic telecom provider that also provides
wireline local and long distance service. Considering the
perceived/projected decline in revenues from such services, none of
those players will want to let go of their wireless holdings. As such,
to merge another wireless carrier, an acquirer will likely have to merge
the wireline aspect of the business, too. That's something a telecom
company will likely not want to do, and even if they did, I'm not sure
the Justice Department would be happy with it (remember the
Sprint/Worldcom merger that fell through?).

As for T-Mobile, I doubt Deutsche Telecom will want to part with their
US-based offering. A year ago they wanted to, but the climate has
changed since.

I think the next likely target is Nextel. There's been speculation that
Vodafone wants to vest itself of its stake in Verizon Wireless and find
a foothold in the market on its own. They lost their bid for ATTWS, so
Nextel will likely be what they look at next.



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>>And the business advantage for that would be ______________________?
>
>
> The Justice Department might allow it now while once Democrats get back
> in control next year they might not.

And now here's Phillipe claiming to know something about politics.


> Sprint PCS stock price is elevated now as if someone was expecting a
> buyout.

A week ago you said PCS stock was "underpriced," and set a target price
of $11.50:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?N28111977

So which is it, Mr. Robert M., investment analyst?




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Scott Nelson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Spectrum for more data products in future.
> Push another prl and you have better coverage/capacity.
> One less competitor.
>
> It would be gross overkill in most markets though.
> Only things I can come up with.

Yes. Even where Sprint is strong, coverage duplicates Verizon.

Kinda like why Alltel in Cleveland was never in the PRL... Alltel's
footprint and Verizon's footprint are pretty much identical. No benefit
for Verizon to roam on Alltel there.

Oh, however, Sprint coverage in Ashtabula County, Ohio is much more solid
than Verizon. Alltel is probably good out there too, but Verizon has issues
outside of the center of town in Ashtabula.

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I agree
From what I have read Nextel is next buyout target.
Why do you think this is true?
They use a totally different technology then the other carriers and frankly
where I live the coverage stinks .



"Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Now that Cingular is buying AT&T and analysts are expecting more buyouts
> > what does everybody think the odds are Verizon will try to acquire
Sprint
> > PCS
>
>
> Unlikely. Both Sprint and Verizon are more than just their wireless
> carriers. AT&T wireless was part of AT&T in name only (they were spun
> off a year or two ago but allowed to continue using the brand), making
> them an easy acquisition target.
>
> Now, all of the major players except for T-Mobile and Nextel are owned
> or majority-owned by a domestic telecom provider that also provides
> wireline local and long distance service. Considering the
> perceived/projected decline in revenues from such services, none of
> those players will want to let go of their wireless holdings. As such,
> to merge another wireless carrier, an acquirer will likely have to merge
> the wireline aspect of the business, too. That's something a telecom
> company will likely not want to do, and even if they did, I'm not sure
> the Justice Department would be happy with it (remember the
> Sprint/Worldcom merger that fell through?).
>
> As for T-Mobile, I doubt Deutsche Telecom will want to part with their
> US-based offering. A year ago they wanted to, but the climate has
> changed since.
>
> I think the next likely target is Nextel. There's been speculation that
> Vodafone wants to vest itself of its stake in Verizon Wireless and find
> a foothold in the market on its own. They lost their bid for ATTWS, so
> Nextel will likely be what they look at next.
>
>
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[email protected] wrote:

> I agree
> From what I have read Nextel is next buyout target.
> Why do you think this is true?
> They use a totally different technology then the other carriers and frankly
> where I live the coverage stinks .

The technology isn't "totally different." It *IS* different, and their
fragmented spectrum is indeed a problem, but it's been long indicated
that Nextel wants to eventually migrate to a different technology in
order to move forward. GSM probably wouldn't be too bad of a migration
for them, as their network is already TDMA-based and their newest
handsets already use SIM cards (some are even GSM ready).

On the other hand, there was talk a couple years back of Nextel
upgrading to a CDMA platform, but that hasn't seemed to go anywhere since.

The important thing is that Nextel is at present an independent company,
and while not very big compared to the other carriers, it does have a
lot of attractive business customers and can command a higher price for
their services, even if their coverage footprint is lacking. They might
not be an acquisition target for a domestic company, but an overseas
telecom company like Vodafone could see Nextel as a start kit of sorts
for establishing a new wireless brand in the US... the billing
structure, back-end, staffing and customer base are there, they just
need to do something about upgrading and building out the network.

I'm not an analyst, so don't take my word for it though. I'm just
speculating.

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