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- 04-07-2004, 11:20 PM #1Donkey AgonyGuest
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- 04-08-2004, 12:40 AM #2O/SirisGuest
Re: Verizon leaping ahead with EV-DO
In article <[email protected]>, root@[127.0.0.1]=20
says...
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> http://ptech.wsj.com/ptech.html
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Interesting. 4 months old, but interesting. And I'll believe it=20
when it's rolled out fully. It's easy to say you're doing it. it's=20
another to actually do it.
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- 04-08-2004, 05:27 AM #3Robert M.Guest
Re: Verizon leaping ahead with EV-DO
In article <[email protected]>,
"Donkey Agony" <root@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
> http://ptech.wsj.com/ptech.html
April 8, 2004 is old news?
Says they expect to complete end of 2005.
- 04-08-2004, 08:29 AM #4Guest
Re: Verizon leaping ahead with EV-DO
On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 01:20:55 -0400, "Donkey Agony" <root@[127.0.0.1]>
wrote:
>http://ptech.wsj.com/ptech.html
Rolling out EV-DO is an interesting and risky venture for multiple
reasons.
Part of the carrier's spectrum is dedicated to data only with EV-DO.
This implies that, even under "emergency loads", which the FCC is
encouraging carriers to handle, that EV-DO spectrum is "untouchable"
for voice.
The carriers using EV-DO hope that that data-only spectrum will be
well utilized. That remains to be seen and is another risk.
One would think that Verizon Wireless would, eventually, like to
migrate their especially heavy peak-load voice areas to EV-DV for the
gains in voice capacity. Since EV-DV is also data capable,
simultaneously, in the same spectrum, does EV-DO have a long term
future for carriers that don't have entirely separate frequency ranges
for it?
Only time will tell.
- 04-08-2004, 08:37 AM #5Robert M.Guest
Re: Verizon leaping ahead with EV-DO
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:
> This implies that, even under "emergency loads", which the FCC is
> encouraging carriers to handle, that EV-DO spectrum is "untouchable"
> for voice.
Speaking of "risky", how can you guess at predictions based on an
unknown implication??? Won't carriers also being going to VoIP
on these high speed networks?
- 04-08-2004, 10:33 AM #6Steven J SobolGuest
Re: Verizon leaping ahead with EV-DO
Robert M. <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Donkey Agony" <root@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>
>> http://ptech.wsj.com/ptech.html
>
> April 8, 2004 is old news?
Verizon's been *testing* EVDO in DC and San Diego for *months.*
This is not news.
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- 04-08-2004, 11:39 AM #7Guest
Re: Verizon leaping ahead with EV-DO
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:37:33 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]>
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> This implies that, even under "emergency loads", which the FCC is
>> encouraging carriers to handle, that EV-DO spectrum is "untouchable"
>> for voice.
>
>Speaking of "risky", how can you guess at predictions based on an
>unknown implication??? Won't carriers also being going to VoIP
>on these high speed networks?
Why would a carrier "push" the much higher bit rate of VoIP on your
their wireless data network when they have an optimized solution
already on their wireless voice network?
- 04-08-2004, 12:23 PM #8Robert M.Guest
Re: Verizon leaping ahead with EV-DO
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:
> Why would a carrier "push" the much higher bit rate of VoIP on your
> their wireless data network when they have an optimized solution
> already on their wireless voice network?
one word answer
Capacity
- 04-08-2004, 12:54 PM #9Donkey AgonyGuest
Re: Verizon leaping ahead with EV-DO
Steven J Sobol wrote:
>>> http://ptech.wsj.com/ptech.html
>>
>> April 8, 2004 is old news?
>
> Verizon's been *testing* EVDO in DC and San Diego for *months.*
> This is not news.
The news isn't Verizon doing EV-DO. The news is Walt Mossberg writing
an article about it in the WSJ. That column is read by millions. It
bothered me a tad that didn't mention Sprint or EV-DV, but what do you
expect? EV-DV is for all practical purposes vaporware right now. If
you want *fast* data speeds anywhere in major cities in the next year
and a half, you have one choice (technical considerations of DO vs. DV
notwithstanding).
Nevertheless (as Microsoft has shown), selling vaporware *can* work...
And Sprint could start *marketing* (instead of FUDding) cheap
Vision-phone-laptop connections...
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- 04-08-2004, 02:14 PM #10Steven J SobolGuest
Re: Verizon leaping ahead with EV-DO
Donkey Agony <root@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
> The news isn't Verizon doing EV-DO. The news is Walt Mossberg writing
> an article about it in the WSJ. That column is read by millions. It
> bothered me a tad that didn't mention Sprint or EV-DV, but what do you
> expect? EV-DV is for all practical purposes vaporware right now.
Both Sprint and Verizon will be migrating to EV-DV, and you can expect
a flurry of press releases when that happens.
> If
> you want *fast* data speeds anywhere in major cities in the next year
> and a half, you have one choice (technical considerations of DO vs. DV
> notwithstanding).
*nod*
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- 04-08-2004, 02:35 PM #11Bob SmithGuest
Re: Verizon leaping ahead with EV-DO
"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Donkey Agony <root@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>
> > The news isn't Verizon doing EV-DO. The news is Walt Mossberg writing
> > an article about it in the WSJ. That column is read by millions. It
> > bothered me a tad that didn't mention Sprint or EV-DV, but what do you
> > expect? EV-DV is for all practical purposes vaporware right now.
>
> Both Sprint and Verizon will be migrating to EV-DV, and you can expect
> a flurry of press releases when that happens.
>
> > If
> > you want *fast* data speeds anywhere in major cities in the next year
> > and a half, you have one choice (technical considerations of DO vs. DV
> > notwithstanding).
>
> *nod*
True, but I'm in agreement with SPCS's direction in waiting to just go
directly to DV nationwide, save that I'd like to see a quicker time table
than 1st qtr 2006.
Bob
- 04-08-2004, 06:07 PM #12John R. CopelandGuest
Re: Verizon leaping ahead with EV-DO
"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...
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> Both Sprint and Verizon will be migrating to EV-DV, and you can expect
> a flurry of press releases when that happens.
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> Steven J. Sobol
I always try to say that Verizon is migrating to EV-DV,
but Sprint is *leapfrogging* to EV-DV.
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- 04-08-2004, 10:04 PM #13Andrew ShepherdGuest
Re: Verizon leaping ahead with EV-DO
[email protected] wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 01:20:55 -0400, "Donkey Agony" <root@[127.0.0.1]>
> wrote:
>
> >http://ptech.wsj.com/ptech.html
>
> Rolling out EV-DO is an interesting and risky venture for multiple
> reasons.
>
> Part of the carrier's spectrum is dedicated to data only with EV-DO.
> This implies that, even under "emergency loads", which the FCC is
> encouraging carriers to handle, that EV-DO spectrum is "untouchable"
> for voice.
>
> The carriers using EV-DO hope that that data-only spectrum will be
> well utilized. That remains to be seen and is another risk.
Currently, VZW's trial deployments in D.C. & San Diego are both
CDMA1xEV-DO 1900. Undoubtedly, D.C. & San Diego were selected as test
markets due to two factors: VZW holds a PCS D or PCS E 10 MHz license
overlapping its Cellular B-side license in each market, and D.C.'s BAM
Lucent infrastructure versus San Diego's AirTouch Nortel
infrastructure allows VZW to test both vendor's EV-DO solutions. The
more important conclusion, however, is that VZW has currently
relegated EV-DO to PCS spectrum that was of little if any consequence
to its voice or 1xRTT data capacity. However, VZW does not possess
coincident PCS licenses in all of its major Cellular markets (no
supplementary PCS spectrum in Charlotte, Denver, Detroit,
Indianapolis, Phoenix, Portland, St. Louis, San Francisco, Seattle, et
al.) Thus, particularly in those markets, voice/1xRTT capacity could
potentially suffer if existing CDMA carrier channels are subsequently
devoted to EV-DO.
If you are interested to know in which markets VZW does hold PCS
spectrum, the maps that XFF & I have created are well-documented:
http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/vzw_pcs.html
http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireles...pcs_block.html
> One would think that Verizon Wireless would, eventually, like to
> migrate their especially heavy peak-load voice areas to EV-DV for the
> gains in voice capacity. Since EV-DV is also data capable,
> simultaneously, in the same spectrum, does EV-DO have a long term
> future for carriers that don't have entirely separate frequency ranges
> for it?
>
> Only time will tell.
- 04-08-2004, 10:09 PM #14O/SirisGuest
Re: Verizon leaping ahead with EV-DO
In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> April 8, 2004 is old news?
>=20
>=20
The news did *not* come out April 8th, Phillie, and I'm certain you=20
already knew that. Verizon announced it would be doing this at the=20
end of last year.
When WSJ chose to print it has nothing to do with how old the actual=20
story is.
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- 04-08-2004, 10:09 PM #15O/SirisGuest
Re: Verizon leaping ahead with EV-DO
In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> Why would a carrier "push" the much higher bit rate of VoIP on your
> their wireless data network when they have an optimized solution
> already on their wireless voice network?
>=20
You *do* remember, don't you, that PTT and Ready Link are both IP=20
voice services?
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O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them
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