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- 07-09-2008, 12:26 PM #1Mark CrispinGuest
Hello Oxford, I see that you are using a new pen name.
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, David Moyer posted:
> - Sound is much improved. "In fact, few cellphones sound this good."
Golly gee, this is from the same Oxford who insisted that 3G was useless
and that Steve Jobs destroyed its future. Of course, those of us who have
used 3G for many years knew quite well that 3G had better sound quality.
> - "According to Apple, the iPhone's G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
> emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
> example."
Golly gee, I have that function on my GPS-enabled cell phone, as does just
about every user of a cell phone in Japan.
> - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS
Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.
> - "the really big deal is the iPhone 2.0 software and the App Store
Golly gee, just like what people on all other phones have had for many
years. Too bad it is crippled like Verizon's GetItNow, instead of being
open the way it is on Windows Mobile and any Java phone.
> - "it mostly keeps its promises."
Golly gee, "mostly"? Talk about damning with faint praise.
> - Battery drained much more quickly using 3G, as expected
Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using
3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it
lasts longer in 3G.
> - Data speeds 3-5x faster than original iPhone
Golly gee, this is from the same Oxford who insisted that 3G was useless
and that Steve Jobs destroyed its future. Of course, those of us who have
used 3G for many years knew quite well that 3G had faster data speeds.
> - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing
Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.
> - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
> day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
> older iPhone."
Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
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- 07-09-2008, 02:01 PM #2ps56kGuest
Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!
David Moyer wrote:
> also quite decent - a sneak peek into the 2.0 software:
>
> I can't tell you how we got ahold of a first-generation iPhone loaded
> with version 2.0 of the iPhone operating system. What I can tell you
> is that if I do reveal this information, homicidal ninjas will come
> to my house and kill my family. Nevertheless, we do have one -- and
> we were able to take a look inside and find a few minute yet
> interesting changes. Here's a preview of some of the ways in which
> iPhone 2.0 differs from iPhone 1.0.
>
> iPhone 2.0, of course, is the operating system that will come
> preinstalled on iPhone 3G models when those start shipping on Friday,
> July 11. iPhone 2.0 will also be available as a free software upgrade
> to people who have first-generation iPhones.
>
> In the photo of the iPhone home screen, above, you'll notice at least
> two differences from the first-generation OS: there's a new Contacts
> application (on the old phone, contacts were accessible only via the
> "Phone" icon), and the long-awaited App Store is there (that's where
> you'll buy new iPhone-native software and games).
>
> And now, to the details...
>
> http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/0...ive-sneak.html
It will be interesting to see if the draw/demand is there, like with the
first one.
My interest was in the Exchange active sync email (push) support,
but I think I read that it does not work when the link is "https"... which
is the normal setup.
Also - with respect to GSM vs CDMA -
It looks like Verizon might be heading away from CDMA EVDO data
and towards the GSM data world of LTE.
- 07-09-2008, 03:33 PM #3nospamGuest
Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!
In article <[email protected]>, Mark
Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > - "According to Apple, the iPhone's G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
> > emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
> > example."
>
> Golly gee, I have that function on my GPS-enabled cell phone, as does just
> about every user of a cell phone in Japan.
tomtom announced their software, and it would be surprising if it
didn't do turn by turn.
> > - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS
>
> Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.
three of those have been announced already.
> > - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing
>
> Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.
you already pointed those out, and other than the stereo bluetooth,
they exist or will exist.
> > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
> > day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
> > older iPhone."
>
> Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
> iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.
there are extended batteries available. most people only have one
battery with their cellphones, so in the grand scheme of things, it's
not a big deal that the battery can't be swapped on the fly. of
course, for someone who needs extended periods of battery use, then the
iphone might not be the best choice.
- 07-09-2008, 05:27 PM #4David G. ImberGuest
Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:26:44 -0700, Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using
>3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it
>lasts longer in 3G.
I realize that you've got other stuff going on in your post,
but I'd like to ask about your phone.
I ask because I'm taking the iPhone seriously, but I'm not an
Apple fan or anything like that. I'm taking it seriously because it is
the only phone available to me here in NYC, to the best of my
knowledge, that will finally allow me to access and input data in
Japanese.
I've been investigating Palm, Win Mob, RIM devices for ages
now, and it's been totally frustrating.
May I ask both where you're posting from and what
instrument/network you're using?
DGI
- 07-09-2008, 07:44 PM #5LarryGuest
Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!
David G. Imber <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> that will finally allow me to access and input data in
> Japanese.
>
http://gjiten.garage.maemo.org/
It's not a phone, per se, but it bluetooths to phones and makes emails and
calls via Skype (to Japan for free).
See the webpage for japanese support, which installs at a single click,
with many other script languages.
Maemo is Linux and Linux supports Japanese very well.
Nokia N800/N810/N810 Wimax
- 07-09-2008, 07:57 PM #6Mark CrispinGuest
Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, David G. Imber posted:
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:26:44 -0700, Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using
>> 3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it
>> lasts longer in 3G.
> I realize that you've got other stuff going on in your post,
> but I'd like to ask about your phone.
Check out the Japanese Phone section of howardforums and you'll find lots
of people talking about keitais (phones from Japan). Probably lots more
than you ever wanted to know.
You can certainly get access and input data in Japanese on a Windows
Mobile phone; it's just a matter of software.
One of my keitais is a SoftBank X01HT (basically, an HTC Hermes branded
for SoftBank). After unlocking it, I used it with my Verizon SIM (yes,
there is such a thing!) to roam in Japan as a Verizon user. [Of course, I
also used domestic service in Japan -- nobody in their right mind pays
$2.50/minute roaming charges for routine calls!]
Later on, I got tired of the Japanese-only OS. The only thing worse that
Microsoft's perversion of English is their perversion of Japanese; I can
read it and in fact still have the Japanese OS on my laptop, but I don't
want to deal with Microsoft-perverted Japanese on a phone!
To fix that, I found xda-developers.com to be an invaluable resource
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index...ame=HTC_Hermes
and especially
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298919
which not only details how to change a Japanese OS WM device into English
OS (and WM6), it also discusses how to add Japanese support to the English
OS (which is what you want).
Following those instructions, I ended up with a Japanese WM device that
talks to me in English, but is still quite capable of handling Japanese
text.
Many of SoftBank's and NTT DoCoMo's models are bilingual Japanese/English,
and there's quite a grey market of them selling on eBay. If you don't
need anything fancy and just want Japanese support, I suggest getting one
of the basic models such as an 812SH.
However, if you need 3G in the USA, you probably will have to get a
Windows Mobile device since most of the non-WM keitais are 3G in the 2100
band and GSM-only in the US bands.
Be sure that it is unlockable in software. This is the case on the
Windows Mobile devices, but many other keitais require you to use a
HyperSIM which is at best a half-solution. Read the threads on
howardforums to learn all about HyperSIM & such.
The iPhone will give you Japanese language capability out of the box
without playing games, so it may be a good choice for you if you don't
feel like hacking.
I can't give you much advice about using Japanese with Blackberry, at
least not yet.
You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese
capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone. If you want a
full-featured smartphone, go with WM. If you want a basic phone, consider
one of the keitais.
I would wait awhile before trying to use an iPhone in heavy-duty
enterprise type applications. They did add Exchange support in 2.0, but
the Mail client is still not quite up to speed. Maybe 3.0 or 4.0 will be
better. RIM is, and will remain for some time, the 500 pound gorilla in
this sector. Note that RIM has a Blackberry application for Windows
Mobile, so if you are in an office that standardized on Blackberry, you
can get a WM keitai and install the Blackberry service on it and be good
to go.
> May I ask both where you're posting from and what
> instrument/network you're using?
Right now, I'm in the Seattle area. I am also to be found at times in
rural Alaska or Japan.
I use Verizon in Seattle (with a Motorola Z6C dual CDMA/GSM world phone),
and AT&T in Alaska (with the X01HT). When I'm in Japan, I use the X01HT
with my Verizon SIM to roam with my US service, and a regular keitai with
domestic service.
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
- 07-09-2008, 08:12 PM #7David MoyerGuest
Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!
Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
> > day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
> > older iPhone."
>
> Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
> iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.
sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine.
http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html
or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.
http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack
geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.
- 07-09-2008, 09:13 PM #8Todd AllcockGuest
Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!
At 09 Jul 2008 20:12:45 -0600 David Moyer wrote:
> > Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery
on
> > iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.
>
> sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine.
>
> http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html
....and they said you can't tether an iPhone!
> or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.
>
> http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack
So much for thin... Now your iPhone can be as thick as my Tilt!
> geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.
He was limiting the discussion to swappable, user replaceable batteries, I
assume.
No problem, though- as you've always said, the iPhone battery is certainly
user replaceable- instead of the products you mentioned above, you could
just carry this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html?ie=UTF8&a=B000EM98KW
- 07-09-2008, 09:41 PM #9The BobGuest
Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!
David Moyer <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
news:[email protected]:
> Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy
>> > work day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as
>> > with the older iPhone."
>>
>> Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended
>> battery on iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.
>
> sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine.
Battery extender? I thought the iPhone battery kept a charge for weeks.
At least that's what you were saying a year ago. Right about the same time
you were preaching that wifi would be the 3g killers.
>
> http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html
>
> or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.
>
> http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack
>
> geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.
Wow- my laptop would be easier and lighter to use than that amalgamation of
electronic odds and ends. And it shoots the whole"form" argument all to
hell.
>
- 07-09-2008, 10:26 PM #10David G. ImberGuest
Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:57:38 -0700, Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
>The only thing worse than Microsoft's perversion of English is their perversion of Japanese
SO true! I've never heard others say it, but you are spot on
there.
>there's quite a grey market of them selling on eBay.
I get to Japan often, and have purchased phones for others. It
happens that I've been with Sprint for nine years, which has naturally
limited my options a good deal.
>You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese
>capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone.
I do not. I dislike MP3. My wife does, and she holds a slight
edge in the voting, don't ask me how.
One feature of the iPhone that does make a very positive
impression is the Safari mobile browser. I haven't yet seen a RIM or
Palm device with a useful browser. I must admit I haven't really
examined this aspect of the Windows Mobile platform, but I imagine it
would be strong as well.
You've given me a lot of great information and I appreciate it
very much!
DGI
- 07-09-2008, 10:28 PM #11David MoyerGuest
Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
> > http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html
>
>
> ...and they said you can't tether an iPhone!
>
> > or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.
> >
> > http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack
>
> So much for thin... Now your iPhone can be as thick as my Tilt!
>
> > geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.
>
> He was limiting the discussion to swappable, user replaceable batteries, I
> assume.
>
> No problem, though- as you've always said, the iPhone battery is certainly
> user replaceable- instead of the products you mentioned above, you could
> just carry this:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html?ie=UTF8&a=B000EM98KW
(smirk)
i see the new iphone has two small screws at the base, so this possibly
will open more doors for battery options. we'll know friday with the
first take-a-parts.
- 07-10-2008, 06:48 AM #12LarryGuest
Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!
David Moyer <[email protected]> wrote in news:davmoy-904180.22285409072008
@news.qwest.net:
> i see the new iphone has two small screws at the base, so this possibly
> will open more doors for battery options. we'll know friday with the
> first take-a-parts.
>
>
.....This to be followed by a special YouTube posting of "Will It Blend",
within 24 hours, I'm sure....(c;
- 07-10-2008, 05:44 PM #13Mark CrispinGuest
Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, David G. Imber posted:
> I get to Japan often, and have purchased phones for others. It
> happens that I've been with Sprint for nine years, which has naturally
> limited my options a good deal.
Rumor states that KDDI au is switching channels to the same ones used
elsewhere in the world, so presumably newer KDDI au phones will roam with
Verizon, Sprint, Alltel, and Telus in North America. The problem is in
getting the subsidy code from KDDI (AFAIK, Verizon is pretty unique in
using a subsidy code of 000000 for all their phones), and then getting
your carrier to activate that ESN (Verizon CSRs will if you ask really,
really, nicely -- I've done it).
>> You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese
>> capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone.
> I do not. I dislike MP3. My wife does, and she holds a slight
> edge in the voting, don't ask me how.
I can imagine!
> One feature of the iPhone that does make a very positive
> impression is the Safari mobile browser. I haven't yet seen a RIM or
> Palm device with a useful browser.
Safari on the iPhone/iPod Touch is hyped as being a full browser, but of
course it is not really "full" and is idiosyncratic in its own ways
(albeit not as bad as WAP).
There is a bug in the current 1.1.4 release that requires you to jailbreak
your iToy and change some filesystem ownerships to make Safari work with
some pages that have logins. For example, Hotmail won't work at all
usefully until you do that. I don't know if they fixed it in 2.0 or not.
> I must admit I haven't really
> examined this aspect of the Windows Mobile platform, but I imagine it
> would be strong as well.
It depends. The WM version of IE is a basically a WAP browser. You
need to buy something like Opera Mobile to get a real browser on WM.
The real problem with both WM and iToy is the lack of screen resolution.
The iToy has better resolution than most WM phones, but it pales compared
to the screen on the Nokia N800. It's actually possible to view a page on
the N800/N810 without having to zoom in and out all the time like you do
on the iToy.
Good luck!
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
- 07-10-2008, 08:44 PM #14ps56kGuest
Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!
Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 09 Jul 2008 15:01:08 -0500 ps56k wrote:
>
>> It will be interesting to see if the draw/demand is there, like with
>> the first one.
>
>
> The new lower pricing will assure that.
>
>> My interest was in the Exchange active sync email (push) support,
>> but I think I read that it does not work when the link is "https"...
>> which is the normal setup.
>
>
> I find it hard to believe it won't handle secure Exchange servers, but
> we'll see, I guess...
yeah - looks ok, as it mentions SSL for the connection,
I should have read the iPhone page....
http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/integration.html
>> Also - with respect to GSM vs CDMA -
>> It looks like Verizon might be heading away from CDMA EVDO data
>> and towards the GSM data world of LTE.
>
> That will allow (future) interoperability with the networks of
> Verizon's foreign masters at Vodaphone. It makes perfect sense that
> carriers would migrate to a uniform voice/data standard eventually,
> via system upades, without having to tear down and replace existing
> infrastructure.
>
> As to the "CDMA vs. GSM" thing, Verizon won't be "switching" from
> CDMA to GSM- LTE will be a 4G data overlay on their current CDMA
> network, much like WCDMA (UMTS, GSM's 3G system) was an overlay on
> the 2G GSM system. Verizon's LTE will let future 4G international
> phone owners with the correct frequency bands roam in the US on
> Verizon's otherwise incompatible network the same way some GSM 3G
> phones with the right bands can roam on the 3G overlay of Japan's
> otherwise incompatible CDMA networks.
- 07-11-2008, 05:13 PM #15David G. ImberGuest
Re: First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:56:24 -0500, M.Gerald <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>iPhone 3G gets reviewed and it's just OK
>http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/3...d-its-just-ok/
>
>There's more, but you get the idea. Not a great launch party, it
>seems.
Well, yes and no. I work for a Japanese company (though I'm in
NY) and the "party" is a global one. I've already gotten breathless
accounts from some of my colleagues there.
But more to the point, it's interesting to note how personal
attitudes are laying a heavy hand on the reporting. For example, the
"review of reviews" you cite above says this:
"A few things have improved in this model, but all three reviewers
complained about the iPhone's lack of video recording, MMS, AT&T's 3G
coverage, and extra costs associated with AT&T's 3G service contract.
As a matter of fact, their complaints far outweigh any "improvements"
made on this iPhone 3G version. "
The first sentence is TRUE, the second is FALSE, or at least
heavy editorialization. All three reviewers concluded that the phone
is, on the whole, an improved version of the original, which they
liked. They express their caveats in an even-handed way, and none of
them conclude that the complaints "outweigh" the improvements. The
three reviews are more like tempered endorsements, and two are closer
to raves.
This whole affair is fascinating on one hand as a tech story,
and on the other as a look at certain aspects of human nature (spec.
peoples' relationship with their tools, or toys, as some would have
it).
DGI
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