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- 10-02-2008, 02:01 PM #1Todd AllcockGuest
"Xohm exec details WiMAX pricing strategy, discusses usage rules"
http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/2...8/newsletter33
It looks like the Xohm (WiMax) folks just announced pricing:
Home service: $35/month ($10 off for the first six months), requires $80
modem.
"On the Go" service: $45/month ($10 off the first six months), requires $70
PC Aircard
"Pick 2": Buy both the home modem and laptop card and get introductory
$50/month pricing for life on the two services (regularly $60/month.)
No usage restrictions or limits yet, but according to the article:
> As far as capping usage goes, Gude [senior VP of mobile broadband] said
> that Xohm
> mobile WiMAX is open and will not restrict usage as long as there's no
> congestion
> on the network. However, when congestion appears, that will change.
>
> "We have to apply certain rules to protect our customers," he said. "[It's]
> the rights
> of many vs. the rights of few."
Ok, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mo... it's your move! ;-)
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- 10-02-2008, 03:04 PM #2btekGuest
Re: Things just got interesting! (WiMax)
A new option... not a game changer... and not a big deal
"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> "Xohm exec details WiMAX pricing strategy, discusses usage rules"
>
> http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/2...8/newsletter33
>
>
> It looks like the Xohm (WiMax) folks just announced pricing:
>
> Home service: $35/month ($10 off for the first six months), requires $80
> modem.
>
> "On the Go" service: $45/month ($10 off the first six months), requires
> $70 PC Aircard
>
> "Pick 2": Buy both the home modem and laptop card and get introductory
> $50/month pricing for life on the two services (regularly $60/month.)
>
> No usage restrictions or limits yet, but according to the article:
>
>> As far as capping usage goes, Gude [senior VP of mobile broadband] said
>> that Xohm
>> mobile WiMAX is open and will not restrict usage as long as there's no
>> congestion
>> on the network. However, when congestion appears, that will change.
>>
>> "We have to apply certain rules to protect our customers," he said.
>> "[It's] the rights
>> of many vs. the rights of few."
>
>
>
> Ok, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mo... it's your move! ;-)
>
>
- 10-02-2008, 03:32 PM #3RonGuest
Re: Things just got interesting! (WiMax)
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:01:18 -0600, "Todd Allcock"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Xohm exec details WiMAX pricing strategy, discusses usage rules"
>
>http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/2...8/newsletter33
>
>
>It looks like the Xohm (WiMax) folks just announced pricing:
>
>Home service: $35/month ($10 off for the first six months), requires $80
>modem.
>
>"On the Go" service: $45/month ($10 off the first six months), requires $70
>PC Aircard
>
>"Pick 2": Buy both the home modem and laptop card and get introductory
>$50/month pricing for life on the two services (regularly $60/month.)
>
>No usage restrictions or limits yet, but according to the article:
>
>> As far as capping usage goes, Gude [senior VP of mobile broadband] said
>> that Xohm
>> mobile WiMAX is open and will not restrict usage as long as there's no
>> congestion
>> on the network. However, when congestion appears, that will change.
>>
>> "We have to apply certain rules to protect our customers," he said. "[It's]
>> the rights
>> of many vs. the rights of few."
>
>
>
>Ok, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mo... it's your move! ;-)
>
And the geographic coverage of WiMax currently is......
- 10-02-2008, 03:32 PM #4Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Things just got interesting! (WiMax)
"btek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>> http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/2...8/newsletter33
>>
>> Ok, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mo... it's your move! ;-)
>
>A new option... not a game changer... and not a big deal
Not a game changer right away, since WiMax isn't really deployed yet, but it
may force the cellular carriers to reconsider pricing strategies. If Xohm
offers "fallback" to Sprint's 2G/3G data network when outside Xohm range
(unlikely, IMO), it would be both a game changer and a big deal immediately!
Who's going to pay Verizon or AT&T $60-70 for laptop data with a 5GB cap
when Xohm offers it for $45 and will throw in a second account for home
access, allowing you to "fire" your current broadband provider, for $5 more?
- 10-02-2008, 04:03 PM #5btekGuest
Re: Things just got interesting! (WiMax)
Not much -- just an another option for people who have coverage, not very
convenient if they want to 'roam' though. This 'announcement' is a mildly
interesting 'non-event'
"Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:01:18 -0600, "Todd Allcock"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Xohm exec details WiMAX pricing strategy, discusses usage rules"
>>
>>http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/2...8/newsletter33
>>
>>
>>It looks like the Xohm (WiMax) folks just announced pricing:
>>
>>Home service: $35/month ($10 off for the first six months), requires $80
>>modem.
>>
>>"On the Go" service: $45/month ($10 off the first six months), requires
>>$70
>>PC Aircard
>>
>>"Pick 2": Buy both the home modem and laptop card and get introductory
>>$50/month pricing for life on the two services (regularly $60/month.)
>>
>>No usage restrictions or limits yet, but according to the article:
>>
>>> As far as capping usage goes, Gude [senior VP of mobile broadband] said
>>> that Xohm
>>> mobile WiMAX is open and will not restrict usage as long as there's no
>>> congestion
>>> on the network. However, when congestion appears, that will change.
>>>
>>> "We have to apply certain rules to protect our customers," he said.
>>> "[It's]
>>> the rights
>>> of many vs. the rights of few."
>>
>>
>>
>>Ok, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mo... it's your move! ;-)
>>
>
>
> And the geographic coverage of WiMax currently is......
- 10-02-2008, 04:21 PM #6Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Things just got interesting! (WiMax)
At 02 Oct 2008 16:32:41 -0500 Ron wrote:
> >Ok, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mo... it's your move! ;-)
> >
>
>
> And the geographic coverage of WiMax currently is......
Baltimore. Period. But they had to start somewhere! ;-)
Sprint will be selling combo EVDO/WiMax equipment shortly. Again, this
isn't going to change anything tomorrow, but suspect by the end of 2009,
we'll see a different cellular data landscape with respect to pricing...
- 10-02-2008, 04:24 PM #7Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Things just got interesting! (WiMax)
At 02 Oct 2008 15:03:32 -0700 btek wrote:
> Not much -- just an another option for people who have coverage,
> not very convenient if they want to 'roam' though. This
> 'announcement' is a mildly interesting 'non-event'
Said the horse drawn carriage manufacturer when he saw the Tin Lizzie...
- 10-02-2008, 08:44 PM #8Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Things just got interesting! (WiMax)
At 02 Oct 2008 23:54:19 +0000 [email protected] wrote:
> > Who's going to pay Verizon or AT&T $60-70 for laptop data with a
> > 5GB cap
> > when Xohm offers it for $45 and will throw in a second account for
> > home
> > access, allowing you to "fire" your current broadband provider, for
>> $5 more?
>
>
> Wait for LTE >_>
What makes you think Verizon will buildout an LTE network just to sell it
for less money than they sell EVDO for now, and with no contract, and/or an
"at home" option?
Forget the technolgy behind WiMax- for all practical purposes, it's just a
slightly better cellular data network. What's "new" here, if anything, is
the sales concept: no-contract wireless data sold on a pay-as-you-go or
month-to-month basis for a competitive price. That's what interests me- I
don't care what technology is fueling wireless- I'd be just as content if
AT&T offered HSDPA or Verizon offered EVDO under those same terms.
Verizon LTE, IMO, will be sold just as their EVDO is, unless Xohm shakes up
the game a little.
P.S. thanks for quoting!
- 10-03-2008, 01:30 PM #9Dennis FergusonGuest
Re: Things just got interesting! (WiMax)
On 2008-10-02, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
> At 02 Oct 2008 16:32:41 -0500 Ron wrote:
>
>> >Ok, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mo... it's your move! ;-)
>> >
>>
>>
>> And the geographic coverage of WiMax currently is......
>
> Baltimore. Period. But they had to start somewhere! ;-)
No roaming? Clearwire operates WiMax networks in about 50 (smaller)
cities, though they've only just begun deploying the mobile version
of WiMax and their service terms aren't as nice.
> Sprint will be selling combo EVDO/WiMax equipment shortly. Again, this
> isn't going to change anything tomorrow, but suspect by the end of 2009,
> we'll see a different cellular data landscape with respect to pricing...
We'll see. I've heard the assertion that while data use has been
good for increasing the current operators' ARPU they think it is
costly enough to provide that it hasn't actually helped their bottom
line profits, which suggests that they're not likely to want to
make it cheaper. The real money makers are voice and (particularly)
test messages. It may be that they are telling lies (this view is
supported by how cheap and conveniently 3G data is sold in the UK)
and that Sprint's pricing will eventually shake them up, or it may be
that Sprint's price is unsustainably low, particularly since they've
left out the currently profitable parts of a wireless network, and that
this will be yet another Sprint disaster.
Dennis Ferguson
- 10-03-2008, 04:28 PM #10Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Things just got interesting! (WiMax)
At 03 Oct 2008 19:30:22 +0000 Dennis Ferguson wrote:
> >> And the geographic coverage of WiMax currently is......
> >
> > Baltimore. Period. But they had to start somewhere! ;-)
>
> No roaming?
Users on 4G boards are saying roaming works in the few test cities so faf.
> Clearwire operates WiMax networks in about 50 (smaller)
> cities, though they've only just begun deploying the mobile version
> of WiMax and their service terms aren't as nice.
Xohm is the upcoming Sprint/Clearwire partnership that should be in place
by year-end, so I suspect all the Clearwire areas will be folded into Xohm.
> > Sprint will be selling combo EVDO/WiMax equipment shortly. Again, this
> > isn't going to change anything tomorrow, but suspect by the end of 2009,
> > we'll see a different cellular data landscape with respect to pricing...
>
> We'll see. I've heard the assertion that while data use has been
> good for increasing the current operators' ARPU they think it is
> costly enough to provide that it hasn't actually helped their bottom
> line profits, which suggests that they're not likely to want to
> make it cheaper. The real money makers are voice and (particularly)
> test messages. It may be that they are telling lies (this view is
> supported by how cheap and conveniently 3G data is sold in the UK)
> and that Sprint's pricing will eventually shake them up, or it may be
> that Sprint's price is unsustainably low, particularly since they've
> left out the currently profitable parts of a wireless network, and that
> this will be yet another Sprint disaster.
Either scenario is certainly possible!
- 10-03-2008, 09:57 PM #11Bill KearneyGuest
Re: Things just got interesting! (WiMax)
> And the geographic coverage of WiMax currently is......
As we used to say back in the 90's... Sprint, where packets go to die.
- 10-07-2008, 12:53 PM #12Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Things just got interesting! (WiMax)
"Pegleg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:32:51 -0600, "Todd Allcock"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Not a game changer right away, since WiMax isn't really deployed yet,
>
> That's the key! All these
> "new" promises that come from these companies about what they plan to do
> but it takes years before any of it really happens on a wide spread
> basis if it happens at all.
I meant to say "fully deployed"- WiMax is alive and being sold in Baltimore
as we speak, and will roll out in a dozen cities or so by year-end, most
likely. Certainly not as mature or ubiquitous as 3G, but they'll get there,
or run out of money trying! ;-)
> The US is sooooooooo far behind the rest of the world with cell
> technology!
Perhaps, but that's caused by three things, IMO. First, our government
places a lot of value on "backwards compatibility" which is how we've been
stuck with outdated tech like NTSC TV and analog cellular for so long. (I'm
not saying I disagree with that philosophy, but it's a factor.)
Secondly, the US has a challenging geography due to it's size- it's a LOT
easier, for example, to deploy a wireless technology over, say, 98% of the
population of Japan, Great Britain, or Iceland, for example, than 98% of the
US!
Lastly, we have a very fragmented market with the duopoly of CDMA and GSM.
If we'd settled on (or were mandated by the Feds to use) just one
technology, we'd see better phones, since manufacturers wouldn't have to
re-develop their phones for a second technology, and we'd probably see a lot
more (and better) cross-roaming agreements in less populated areas.
As it stands now, the 800-lb gorillas (Verizon and AT&T) see less practical
advantage to roaming agreements, because "Podunk Cellular" in East Cupcake,
Nebraska needs AT&T or Verizon to provide them with a "national footprint"
more than Verizon or AT&T needs them to provide great backwater Nebraska
coverage. With a single technology, the small fry, who are now splintered
between two technologies) could cross-license with each other to battle the
big guys (like T-Mobile and regional GSM providers try to do, in an attempt
to rival AT&T coverage), and even the big guys, like AT&T and Verizon, could
develop shared areas of less import (i.e. one operates the network in rural
Montana, the other takes rural Idaho and "shares" the systems, like Cingular
and T-Mobile used to share Cingular's California and T-Mo's New York
networks before each had their own.) The less money everyone spends on
redundant little-used networks, is the more money they'd have to deploy new
technologies and services.
- 10-07-2008, 03:22 PM #13Diamond DaveGuest
Re: Things just got interesting! (WiMax)
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 23:57:27 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> And the geographic coverage of WiMax currently is......
>
>As we used to say back in the 90's... Sprint, where packets go to die.
They still do
- 10-07-2008, 05:44 PM #14Michael N. ParisGuest
Re: Things just got interesting! (WiMax)
Todd,
Excellent and truthful post.
- 10-08-2008, 02:43 PM #15Dennis FergusonGuest
Re: Things just got interesting! (WiMax)
On 2008-10-07, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
> As it stands now, the 800-lb gorillas (Verizon and AT&T) see less practical
> advantage to roaming agreements, because "Podunk Cellular" in East Cupcake,
> Nebraska needs AT&T or Verizon to provide them with a "national footprint"
> more than Verizon or AT&T needs them to provide great backwater Nebraska
> coverage.
I don't know, but if you look at these
http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/C...atorController
comparing prepaid to postpaid coverage it becomes clear that
almost half of the nationwide coverage Verizon and AT&T make
a big deal of selling (measured by land area, at least) comes
from roaming agreements which are almost certainly reciprocal.
Since nationwide coverage and those near-complete coverage maps
are what the big guys sell, while rural carriers do a lot more
business with regional plans, I'd argue that the big guys have
at least as great an interest in cheap roaming as the little
guys do.
> networks before each had their own.) The less money everyone spends on
> redundant little-used networks, is the more money they'd have to deploy new
> technologies and services.
I don't think anyone builds redundant networks in rural areas much
at all any more. What happens instead is that rural carriers build
out the infrastructure and customer base in their licensed area until
one of the big carriers decides they'd like to offer service in that
area, at which point there's an acquisition and the owners of the rural
carrier have their payday. Eventually there will only be a few big
nationwide carriers, the rural carriers which exist now are the farm
teams for the big guys.
As an example of how it goes, at one point I'm pretty sure Verizon
thought they'd build a network in west Texas since they spent a
fair bit of cash buying 30 MHz PCS licenses there. Note from
the map above, however, that Verizon did nothing with these, which
turned out to be pretty smart since their acquisition of Alltel
instead gives them coverage in the same place in nice cellular
spectrum, customers included.
Having little carriers band together to form bigger, nationwide
carriers might somehow advance the interests of consumers but
I think the carriers themselves, both big and small, are pretty
well taken care of by the current system. Oligopolies can be
profitable.
Dennis Ferguson
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